Ranger X and Sub Terrania for the Gens

dtdg · Post by **dtdg** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:13 pm

So what do you think of the two games?

I'am asking because I'm thinking about trading the two with another two games.....

Ranger X/ Sub Terrania

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:45 pm

Ranger X is one of my favorites. It starts out kind of difficult then get balls hard after about level 3. The control scheme is fucked up and wrong, but after enough practice you'll get the hang of it.

I have not played Subterrania.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:17 pm

Both have some of the best graphics/effects seen on the Genesis.
As for the gameplay it depends on your tastes.

Sub Terrania is an 8-Way shooter & plays very similarly to "Fly Harder" on the AMIGA (but harder) & basically gravity is against you. It gets very frustrating at times.

Ranger X has some weird controls, huge bosses & not very memorable music. The Bike-Mecha that follows you everywhere is a nice touch.
Controls aren't as good as cybernator but if you like Platform-Shoot Mecha action games you'll probably enjoy this.

It depends on what games you're trading them with?!
If it's for Gynoug, Gaiares, TFIII, etc... then Hell no!

Other similar games are Metal Warrior & Cybernator on the SNES.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:37 pm

What's said above

Ranger-X is very cool, but it takes a while to get used with the controls. I'd like to add that it took me just 2 days to finish it in default difficulty. Still it's an awesome game

Subterrania is even BETTER. Subterrania is an EXCELLENT game IMO. But truth has to be said, it's not for everyone taste. Some people will find it too much frustrating, and some people will give up after 15 minutes of hitting walls and not being able to dodge any incoming fire.

Subterrania takes a LOT of practice up until you can beat even the early stages. And if you can't control your ship properly, you are screwed in harder levels, as the game gets incredibly hard.

But if you have the time and the patience for it, the game will reward you with some awesome gameplay and great level design.

It's like Fly Harder indeed, but a lot better. For a more known game, it's like Thrust, but obviously a LOT better.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:38 pm

I haven't played Ranger X, but Sub Terrania is nothing short of fantastic, if you were ever a fan of Gravitar, or similar type shmups-the graphics are absolutely gorgeous, AND, you can find the game on Ebay for less then $5 new.

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:15 am

Shatterhand wrote:I'd like to add that it took me just 2 days to finish it in default difficulty.

Showoff.

dtdg · Post by **dtdg** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:27 am

The other two games in question are:

Pitfall
Krusty Super Fun House.
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With Ranger X : First of all, the first level music is vary annoying.
Second of all; How do you pick up the green cylinder before the first boss battle? That's all I need to know right now.

With Sub-Terrania The original controls are spastic at best. Even with my control customized to my liking, having to always press the thrust button to keep myself afloat is not to my liking.

I'll give Ranger X and Sub-Terrania another chance.
But, to me at least, It looks like ST will be going back to the gamepad store.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:53 am

dtdg wrote:The other two games in question are:

Pitfall
Krusty Super Fun House.
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With Ranger X : First of all, the first level music is vary annoying.
Second of all; How do you pick up the green cylinder before the first boss battle? That's all I need to know right now.

With Sub-Terrania The original controls are spastic at best. Even with my control customized to my liking, having to always press the thrust button to keep myself afloat is not to my liking.

I'll give Ranger X and Sub-Terrania another chance.
But, to me at least, It looks like ST will be going back to the gamepad store.

Well, I'm probably alone in this, but I LOVE Pitfalll Mayan Adventures. I've had no problems with the controls, and the graphics and sound are top notch for the Genesis. Definately get this if you are even remotely a fan of the series.

dczx · Post by **dczx** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:30 am

get Mega Turrican! My fav Genny platformer

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:01 am

Yeah Mega Turrican is awesome. It's got better graphics than the AMIGA version but worse music. Definitely one of the best Platform shooters on the Geny.

Also give these a try:

Alisia Dragoon
Rocket Knight Adventures
Rocket Knight Adventures 2
Kujaku-Oh 2 - Peacock King (U) |
Mystic Defender (J) |---> Same
Jewel Master
ESWAT Cyber Police - City Under Siege
Blades of Vengence

As for these:
Pitfall
Krusty Super Fun House.

I think the best version of Krusty is on the SNES (Super Krusty Super Fun House)

Pitfall has been ported for all major consoles: SNES, 32X, Genesis, Jaguar but I don’t remember them being that different.
The SNES probably has the better audio of the bunch.
The gameplay isn't my cup of tea but if you don't mind having to memorize the levels, it's quite good.

What games are you trading all these for anyway?

These are my favorite Genesis/32X/CD games:

Aero Blasters
After Burner II
After Burner 32X
Arrow Flash
Alien Soldier
Alisia Dragoon
Altered Beast
Battletoads
Batman - Adventures of Batman & Robin
Battletoads & Double Dragon - The Ultimate Team
Blackthorne 32X
Blades of Vengence
Castlevania - Bloodlines
Comix Zone
Contra 4 - Hard Corps
Cutthroat Island
Doom Troopers
Death & Return of Superman
Ecco 1
Ecco 2
ESWAT Cyber Police - City Under Siege
Eliminate Down
Fire Shark
G-Loc Air Battle
Galaxy Force II
Gaiares
Generations Lost
Golden Axe
Golden Axe 2
Golden Axe 3
Ghouls & Ghosts
Gley Lancer
Gunstar Heroes (U)
Gynoug - wings of Wor
Heavy Unit
Hokuto no Ken 2
Insector X
Jewel Master
Jim Power - The Arcade Game
Kolibri 32X
Kyuukyou Tiger
Lost Vikings
Kujaku-Oh 2 - Peacock King |
Mystic Defender |---> Same
Mega SWIV
Mega Turrican
Mickey Mouse - Fantasia
Mickey Mouse - Castle of Illusion
Mortal Kombat 1
Mortla Kombat 2
Mortal Kombat 3
M.U.S.H.A - Aleste
Ninja Gaiden
Phantasy Star Series
Pirates of Dark Waters
Puggsy
Raiden Trad
Red Zone
Revenge of Shinobi
Risky Woods
Ristar the Shooting Star
Rocket Knight Adventures
Rocket Knight Adventures 2
Shinobi 3 - Return of the Ninja Master
Soleil
Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sonic and Knuckles
Space Harrier II
Splatter House 2
Splatter House 3
Streets of Rage
Streets of Rage 2
Streets of Rage 3
Story of Thor
Strider
Super Street Fighter 2 - The New Challengers
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - The Hyperstone Heist
Thunder Blade
Thunder Force Series
Tiny Toons - Buster's Hidden Treasure
Toki - Going Ape Spit
Truxton
Turrican
Twin Cobra
Two Crude Dudes
Valis Series
Vectorman
Vectorman 2
Wonder Boy IV (U)
Wolf Child
Zero Wing

SEGA MEGA CD
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After Burner 3
Android Assault - The Revenge of Bari-Arm
Earnest Evans
Flash Back
Heart of Alien
Keio Flying Squadron
Lunar Series
Lords of Thunder
Popful Mail
Robo Aleste
Silpheed
Sonic CD (U)(920)
Sol Feace
Soul Star

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:28 am

Why is this thread on the shmups chat section?

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:37 am

Specineff wrote:Why is this thread on the shmups chat section?

Because not everyone's a pedantic twat.

PooshhMao · Post by **PooshhMao** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:34 am

Actually, I thought Ex-Ranza always had fabulously catchy music.
Boss theme is awesome especially

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:40 pm

Ex Ranza / Ranger X is probably my favourite MD game. Both graphics and music are great, and so is the gameplay. I never had any problems with the controls, but I do think the game is a bit on the easy side. I beat it the first time I ever played it, with the given number of credits. Don't know if I ever 1cc'd it, but it shouldn't be a problem.

My biggest complain is that it seems IMPOSSIBLE to beat it if you play with the hardest difficulty setting. There's a platform missing in one of the levels which you need to land on to proceed. I don't know if there's a way (some kind of puzzle?), but I've never heard of anyone beating this level on hard.

Don't forget it supports the 6-button pad, using it makes the game even better.

Lyle · Post by **Lyle** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:17 pm

Subterrania is brilliant and underrated IMO. Each level has at least one idea good idea (reflecting mirrors, rails...). The game is pretty hard - you need to know levels by heart as you run out of gas very often. The handling also takes time to get used to, but it's worth the challenge.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:44 pm

I just played Ranger X last night on an emulator.

The big issue I have with this game is not the controls, but the fact that you're swarmed with enemies, and meanwhile your main weapon powers down every time you use it-and then you have to wait for it to power back up again.

IMO, that's just plain obnoxious-in a game like Blowout, this works, but NOT in a fast-paced shmup like Ranger X.

And I didn't notice any power-ups either. Also, the droid, or whatever it is, doesn't seem to help at all.

The graphics, especially the explosions, are just amazing for the Genny, but overall, I think SNES Cybernator is a MUCH better mech shooter.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:46 pm

black mariah wrote:
Specineff wrote:Why is this thread on the shmups chat section?
Because not everyone's a pedantic twat.

Lay the hell off Specineff! Honestly, are you so emotionally immature that you have to insult the crap out of EVERYONE you disagree with??

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:13 pm

dave4shmups wrote:I just played Ranger X last night on an emulator.

The big issue I have with this game is not the controls, but the fact that you're swarmed with enemies, and meanwhile your main weapon powers down every time you use it-and then you have to wait for it to power back up again.

IMO, that's just plain obnoxious-in a game like Blowout, this works, but NOT in a fast-paced shmup like Ranger X.

And I didn't notice any power-ups either. Also, the droid, or whatever it is, doesn't seem to help at all.

The graphics, especially the explosions, are just amazing for the Genny, but overall, I think SNES Cybernator is a MUCH better mech shooter.

1. I only use 'the main weapon' on bosses or when in a critical situation. I use A & C shots most of the time, did you even notice those?

2. There are powerups (in form of new weapons).

3. The bike is very helpful. Not only can you control it using the x,y,z buttons, but you can also hop inside it for a completely different play style (press and release 'down' to jump with it).
This also gives you an alternative life-bar, the ability to change special weapon, and your shot is homing while inside. In some levels, you get a large spaceship instead of the bike.

And finally, it's not really a shmup, so try not comparing it to shooters (or any other genre at all for that matter, since it's pretty different). It does need a little playtime, and I think you'll see that you'll be well rewarded once you've gotten the hang of it.

BTW. I don't mean to tell you what to like and what not to like, just trying to defend my favourite game

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:13 pm

dave4shmups wrote:
black mariah wrote:
Specineff wrote:Why is this thread on the shmups chat section?
Because not everyone's a pedantic twat.
Lay the hell off Specineff! Honestly, are you so emotionally immature that you have to insult the crap out of EVERYONE you disagree with??

He asked. I answered. STFU.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:10 pm

I would certainly change Pitfall and Krusty's Super Fun House for Subterrania and Ranger-X.

Pitfall is good, but short-lived. It's very easy to finish it.

Krusty's Super Fun House is so boring sometimes. It has some very wicked puzzles, and it took me a LOOONG time to finish it (It was my 1st bought MD game, back in.. oohhh, 1993 or something like that).

Subterrania will surely last a lot more than both of those games.

Like I said, I didn't find Ranger X all that hard, I finished it pretty quickly.. But maybe I just clicked with the game very fast.

PooshhMao · Post by **PooshhMao** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:18 pm

It's been a while but I remember a hidden weapon somewhere in the huge vertical skyscraper-at-night-level. The manual said it was technology developed to quickly dig tunnels with

Can't decide between that and Alien Soldier.

The Bullet Dodger · Post by **The Bullet Dodger** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:08 pm

Subterrania has some of the most impressive graphics I've seen in a Genesis game. It's also very difficult, to me at least, which is probably why I don't play it much. Still, any Genesis lover/collector should have it in their library. And the same goes for Ranger-X.

Don't trade them.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:39 am

black mariah wrote:
dave4shmups wrote:
black mariah wrote: Because not everyone's a pedantic twat.
Lay the hell off Specineff! Honestly, are you so emotionally immature that you have to insult the crap out of EVERYONE you disagree with??
He asked. I answered. STFU.

Thanks for sticking your neck out for me, Dave. Appreciated.

Black Mariah, you could have given a more objective answer. That flame still doesn't answer my question, which originated due to the fact that there's a thread about non-shmup games on the shmups area.

EDIT AND NOTE TO T-FORCE: By this I'm not saying "Oh, the mods aren't doing their jobs", but rather that "Is there a reason a thread about non-shmups should be posted here?" Thanx0rz.

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:14 am

It's not a flame. If it was a flame I would have added a "You stupid fucking douchebag" or "You illiterate ass-ramming cockmaster" like I usually do. Does it honestly fucking matter that there's a non-shmup (questionable, as Ranger X is just as shmuppy as Bangai-O) question in here? Is your life so wrapped up in shmups that any reference to any other genres infects your eyes with pus-dripping boils? Fucking Christ on toast dude, LIGHTEN UP.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:38 am

Please stop putting the words "Christ" and "f***" together.

Apply your own rule to yourself. If I'm a "pedantic twat" for commenting about something that doesn't conform to the rules of this forum, what are you for calling me that? Which is also against the rules of the forum.

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:57 am

Specineff wrote:If I'm a "pedantic twat" for commenting about something that doesn't conform to the rules of this forum, what are you for calling me that?

An asshole. Next question.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:05 am

All involved in the flaming and cursing at each other, drop it and get back to the topic.

Also, I am moving this to the OT forum. It's a fine thread, though, assuming people don't keep derailing it.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:18 am

Subterrania was garbage. Battletoads was a better shmup, and as we all know, Battletoads wasn't even a shmup at all. 'nuff said.

PooshhMao · Post by **PooshhMao** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:26 am

Yeah, some people here are WAY to uptight.
Especially those PCB-collectors who look down upon people with common sense/limited disposable income.

It's a cool hobby though

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:10 pm

i quite liked subterrania as well, didnt have much problem with the controls but then againi played the piss out of solar jetman on the NES

still the learning curve is steep as hell..

beautiful looking game tho, i love the detail in it