Topic Changed: Where can I find a HD CRT?

[evil_ash_xero]

topic changed to my current mindset.

[cools]

They generally give you a whole host of options - black bars at the side, zooming, stretching etc.

[agustusx]

Sometimes you can control the display options in game, if not keep your TV remote handy as you will need to adjust it that way.

[neorichieb1971]

Most 3D games have 16:9 modes for Widescreen, which is your best option.

Sprite based games will have huge borders on the side. I don't know of any sprite based games that use 16:9.

You will want to upgrade your PS2 and Wii to component cables.

The PS2 has an option for RGB or Y PB YC or whatever its called in the dashboard. Selecting the Y PB or whatever option it is will enable component video to be upgraded to 480p.

With the Wii, video settings will appear once you've got a component cable enabling 480p.

Once done your set to go.

[agustusx]

You will want to upgrade your PS2 and Wii to component cables.

The PS2 has an option for RGB or Y PB YC or whatever its called in the dashboard. Selecting the Y PB or whatever option it is will enable component video to be upgraded to 480p.

Just an FYI that many if not most PS2 games don't support 480p.

PS2 games that support wide screen typically require you to hold down the X and triangle buttons at start up IIRC. But evil ash you may already be familiar with all the component/progressive stuff since ya did have an HDTV.

Also games can be 480p @ 4:3, just as they can be 480i and widescreen. Depends on the game. There were a fair amount of xbox1 games that did 480p and didn't do wide screen.

[jonny5]

You will want to upgrade your PS2 and Wii to component cables.

The PS2 has an option for RGB or Y PB YC or whatever its called in the dashboard. Selecting the Y PB or whatever option it is will enable component video to be upgraded to 480p.

Just an FYI that many if not most PS2 games don't support 480p.

PS2 games that support wide screen typically require you to hold down the X and triangle buttons at start up IIRC. But evil ash you may already be familiar with all the component/progressive stuff since ya did have an HDTV.

Also games can be 480p @ 4:3, just as they can be 480i and widescreen. Depends on the game. There were a fair amount of xbox1 games that did 480p and didn't do wide screen.

but 480p is a 4:3 resolution....640X480 progressive....if it was displayed widescreen it either wouldnt be 640x480 or it would be stretched

[neorichieb1971]

480p has nothing to do with aspect ratios. Its the amount of horizontal lines you can count on the vertical axis. It matters not how long across they are. 640x480 or 720x480, its still 480p. God of War 1 and 2 support 16:9 in 480p.


Only the very earliest of PS2 games required the X and Triangle trick (Tekken 4 etc). About the time of Burnout 2, almost all games had the option in the menu.

If you have a HDTV, you must get component cables either way, since its the same as Euro RGB in resolution terms.

[jonny5]

480p has nothing to do with aspect ratios. Its the amount of horizontal lines you can count on the vertical axis. It matters not how long across they are. 640x480 or 720x480, its still 480p.

oh

[agustusx]

Only the very earliest of PS2 games required the X and Triangle trick (Tekken 4 etc). About the time of Burnout 2, almost all games had the option in the menu.

That's possible, I gave up on the ps2 pretty early. Games I got later in its life didn't support 480p at all.

[emphatic]

Some PS2 games (DDP-DOJ for example) has a 16:9 setting. This only makes sure that the correct aspect ratio is used (more black space on the sides of the actual play area) + have "wallpaper" options, so you can see pretty artwork on the sides instead of black nothingness. If you have a Plasma TV in mind though, I'd recommend not to use the wallpapers during the first 100 hours of use, as it might leave a burn in to the screen. It's highly unlikely though, as screen burn in plasmas isn't as bad as earlier.

For 4:3 DVD content, there is a technology called "smart zoom" that zooms in just a bit, then stretches just the outer parts of the screen area (surroundings) and most older shows look just fine (as I write this I'm watching Star Trek from 1967 on my wide screen and it's looking all right).

I don't know of any TV brand that use this zoom mode though, as AFAIK, it's limited to software media players such as Windows Media Center or MediaPortal.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Even some PSX games such as Gran Turismo and Ridge Racer Type 4 have built-in support for widescreen TVs. Try them out and see for yourself. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[agustusx]

Even some PSX games such as Gran Turismo and Ridge Racer Type 4 have built-in support for widescreen TVs. Try them out and see for yourself. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Jet Force Gemini and a small selection of N64 games support widescreen as well. I'm 99% positive this game had it, I remember it, but it could have been other RARE titles on that platform.

If you interested in an incomplete listing of PS2/Xbox/DC/GC games you can visit here http://www.hdtvpub.com/productdb/games/index.cfm, there is a filter for 16:9 games. Its out of date, never updated, but it was cool back in 2003

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Even the cool PSX game of N20 has built-in support for wide-screen TVs.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[Ed Oscuro]

Even the cool N64 game of GOLDENEYE (I've found his weakness) has built-in support for widescreen format. 16:9 for sure, don't think 16:10 though.

[Specineff]

Same with Nights and Panzer Dragoon Zwei for SAT.

[linko9]

As fas a I know, RARE was the only developer to incorporate widescreen into N64 games. As I recall, Goldeneye, DK64, Perfect Dark, JFG, and Banjo Tooie all supported 16:9. Goldeneye even supported the even wider cinema aspect ratio. Imagine playing that in a movie theater

[Specineff]

I think one of the Turoks on the N64 did support widescreen.

[Shelcoof]

Same with Nights and Panzer Dragoon Zwei for SAT.

Are you saying Panzer Dragoon Zwei can enable Wide Screen Support????

[Doctor Fugue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNqRCpxJng

[Specineff]

Same with Nights and Panzer Dragoon Zwei for SAT.

Are you saying Panzer Dragoon Zwei can enable Wide Screen Support????

YES!

[neorichieb1971]

PDZ just uses a stretched polygon technique in order to achieve 16:9. Its effective.

[Shelcoof]

OMG!!!!

I gotta try it out on the WideScreen TV Damnit!!!

Panzer Dragoon Zwei is the first ever Saturn game I ever played. Also one of the very best!!

[evil_ash_xero]

Do the LCD TVs have much of a blurring problem? What about ones that have anti-blurring technology?

And I don't know shit about the dimensions on these things. I want one that is about 20 inches of actual screen high. How wide would that be?(since all these TVs are labeled by width)

[neorichieb1971]

Your looking for a 37-40".

At that size low res games will look a bit naff. An XRGB will help a lot if you have one.

Thats about it really. The blur your talking about is caused by scaling. Since the amount of pixels on LCD are fixed, any pixels worth of data has to be spread out over as many as 4-8 pixels on the TV because there are obviously more pixels on the TV than the data from the low res console. Therefore its scaled to size.

Or you might be talking about motion blur. The more you spend, the less blur your likely to see.. Demo a few at the store. My TV doesn't even do that great with a DC VGA cable. Its not bad with borders on the sides, but once you go 16:9 it looks terrible. This is because its scaled, plus its being stretched on the hori and vert axis.

[linko9]

Yeah, for games that output in 480i or even 480p, LCDs are one of the worse options. That said, it's not terrible, and I use my 32" Vizio for all my console gaming now. Some games have a lot of jaggies, and are a bit rough on the eyes (Twilight Princess looks awful on my TV), while others look just fine (Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros. Brawl, F-Zero GX). I've never hooked up anything older than a Gamecube to my LCD, so I don't have any insight there, but I'd say that unless you freak out about games not being displayed completely optimally, you'll have no major problems viewing games on an LCD, though there are certainly better options.

[evil_ash_xero]

Well, how do PS2 games and such look on a Plasma?

I want something I can play my HD games on, and my older games on. As well as DVDs. In old, I mean as in PS2, and games from Virtual Console(which i'm sure look fine in progressive scan).

And for the record, I would use the 4:3 format to play PS2 games. I wouldn't blow them up to make them look worse.

[evil_ash_xero]

OK, i've read up on this stuff a bit....

I have a CRT HDTV. A 4 year old 4:3 RCA. It plays my PS2 games perfectly.

From what I am reading, all PS2 games look terrible on these LCD/Plasma screens? But that's all that's out?
Are there any more HD CRT TVs anymore?

What are you guys doing to play your PS2 games? That's as far back as I am going, since I have just accepted that my Saturn looks like ass on my TV. All my OLD games I pretty much have on my Wii.

I have a TON of games on my PS2. Help me out guys.

[emphatic]

I think my PS2 looks OK on my Panasonic 42" plasma. Keep in mind though, that I use the 16:9 mode in the PS2 when supported, and the TV's 4:3 mode if the game's not supporting 16:9. I connect my PS2 via a cheap component cable.

[evil_ash_xero]

Do the newer LCDs or Plasmas have lag? I keep hearing about lag with these TVs.

[Specineff]

I found zero lag on my mom's plasma, and we were playing Guitar Hero, which of course is very timing-sensitive. Same with my own LCD, but there was blurring and some of the images looked like total ass. I kept going back to my RGB monitor.

If you have the money to burn on an LCD screen, why not get an RGB monitor instead? I think that even the PS3 will output RGB, and you're probably going to be satisfied with the results. No scaling, no lag, no blurring. Easy peasy.