Even MORE shmups on Wii?

durias · Post by **durias** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:20 pm

With the Wii's Virtual Console Arcade announced...

http://wii.ign.com/articles/966/966162p1.html

...I wonder if this paves the way to even more shmups on the Wii. Arcade shmups, no less.

ZOM · Post by **ZOM** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:39 pm

durias wrote:http://wii.ign.com/articles/966/966162p1.html

Tower of druaga?!
Noooooo! Don't expose this game to mankind again! IT'S EVIL!!! PANDORA'S BOX! *faints*

Anyway, back on topic; Yes looks like this opens up possibilities for more shmups on the Wii, but to tell you the truth, I'd rather be called a criminal for downloading roms then paying for them to only being able to use 'em on a "bad" emulator...

Kacoo02 · Post by **Kacoo02** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:01 pm

More shmups is always a good thing. Here's hoping R-type Leo comes out for it.

durias · Post by **durias** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:07 pm

Do you think this means a game like Raiden can end up on Wii?

Skyline · Post by **Skyline** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:02 am

They're finally giving Solvalou a proper release? Sweet.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:20 am

I wish they had done this before releasing all those arcade ports for other consoles on the Virtual Console. I hope Irem decides to port some of their stuff that they never gave console ports to on this. They were a pretty strong supporter of the Virtual Console early on. Cosmic Cop and Mystic Riders please.

Of course, this all assumes that this is for actual arcade ports, not "arcade" games like on XBox Live Arcade.

Malc74 · Post by **Malc74** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:42 am

ZOM wrote:
durias wrote:http://wii.ign.com/articles/966/966162p1.html
Tower of druaga?!
Noooooo! Don't expose this game to mankind again! IT'S EVIL!!! PANDORA'S BOX! *faints*

Heh heh heh! I've never understood the stonking great hard-on that Namco seems to have for this bloody atrocious game.

Back on topic, it'd be great to see some arcade shmups on the VC, but they really need to enhance them a bit and add (at the very least) some online leaderboards, otherwise (whisper it) you might as well just download the ROM.

Zach Keene · Post by **Zach Keene** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:03 am

As the opening salvo included two shmups, the answer to the topic is already "yes".

Druaga actually has a button config option; let's hope this is the beginning of a trend for even the run of the mill VC releases (it won't be, but we can hope anyway.)

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:20 am

I'm sorry, is the thread title meant to be sarcastic?

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:30 am

Elixir wrote:I'm sorry, is the thread title meant to be sarcastic?

Only if it was "Even MORE shmups on PS3?"

Skyknight · Post by **Skyknight** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:57 am

Let's see if we can bribe D4 to release Sky Soldiers this way...

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:21 am

Star Force without tate is pointless. I played that crap on the original XBox.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:25 am

Udderdude wrote:
Elixir wrote:I'm sorry, is the thread title meant to be sarcastic?
Only if it was "Even MORE shmups on PS3?"

The Wii has fuck all shmups unless you consider Virtual Console, which you can't.

Dragoforce · Post by **Dragoforce** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:24 am

I never understood peoples urge to pay for roms?

MadScientist · Post by **MadScientist** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:45 am

Since more of these old games are getting a commercial reissue, is there a chance that it could lead to a crackdown on MAME or emulation in general?

ZacharyB · Post by **ZacharyB** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:01 am

Dragoforce wrote:I never understood peoples urge to pay for roms?

It's voting with the wallet. Manufacturers could take note of which Virtual Console titles are being bought up, to see which games and genres still appeal to the public.

Nintendo's not dumb.. they know that people have PC emulation. If they're giving players a chance to pay to play the same games, they have to have some kind of intention for that sales information. A player's purchase of one kind of game could influence Nintendo's production departments.

I wonder how much Nintendo has to pay in licensing for each Virtual Console game, not to mention the emulation technology.

Observer · Post by **Observer** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:44 am

MadScientist wrote:Since more of these old games are getting a commercial reissue, is there a chance that it could lead to a crackdown on MAME or emulation in general?

Remember that MAME is NOT FOR PLAYING. It's just for preservation. You just see the butterfly pinned like it was. Or something like that.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:04 pm

MadScientist wrote:Since more of these old games are getting a commercial reissue, is there a chance that it could lead to a crackdown on MAME or emulation in general?

And how do you propose they do that?

Wonderbanana · Post by **Wonderbanana** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:42 pm

Elixir wrote:
MadScientist wrote:Since more of these old games are getting a commercial reissue, is there a chance that it could lead to a crackdown on MAME or emulation in general?
And how do you propose they do that?

#

Ask? Isn't that what Cave did?

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:44 pm

Dragoforce wrote:I never understood peoples urge to pay for roms?

-I don't have enough computers to keep one constantly hooked up to a tv.
-I'm totally not going to lug a machine back and forth when a Wii fridge is so much easier the few times I need to do so.
-'Don't have the computer equipment to maintain an aesthetically pleasing living room while rollin' mame on TV....
-...to which I don't have that much comfortable seating to play on my computer...
-...and I like playing on huge screens.
-I like console controllers over PC pads. No I don't wanna figure out bluetooth adapters and all that extra shit.
-I'd like to think my purchase has a chance to influence the market.
-no real troubleshooting or hunting for bios files.
-The game industry isn't out to murder me like the music industry is. I don't have any sense of mad rebellion or compulsion to steal everything just because it's there.
-If I decide to do a capture, nobody can accuse me of save states and other tool assists.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:52 pm

Wonderbanana wrote:
Elixir wrote:
MadScientist wrote:Since more of these old games are getting a commercial reissue, is there a chance that it could lead to a crackdown on MAME or emulation in general?
And how do you propose they do that?
#

Ask? Isn't that what Cave did?

brb, removing all mame distributions from everyone's computers along with their roms.

Dragoforce · Post by **Dragoforce** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:09 pm

DJ Incompetent wrote:
Dragoforce wrote:I never understood peoples urge to pay for roms?
-I don't have enough computers to keep one constantly hooked up to a tv.
-I'm totally not going to lug a machine back and forth when a Wii fridge is so much easier the few times I need to do so.
-'Don't have the computer equipment to maintain an aesthetically pleasing living room while rollin' mame on TV....
-...to which I don't have that much comfortable seating to play on my computer...
-...and I like playing on huge screens.
-I like console controllers over PC pads. No I don't wanna figure out bluetooth adapters and all that extra shit.
-I'd like to think my purchase has a chance to influence the market.
-no real troubleshooting or hunting for bios files.
-The game industry isn't out to murder me like the music industry is. I don't have any sense of mad rebellion or compulsion to steal everything just because it's there.
-If I decide to do a capture, nobody can accuse me of save states and other tool assists.

Weak arguments!

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:11 pm

*shrug*. Dunno. I know me pretty well.

Dragoforce · Post by **Dragoforce** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:13 pm

It was a joke, you have proven your point more than enough

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:13 pm

How does purchasing a rom off the Virtual Console influence the market? What market? The top games are always going to be Super Mario, Mario 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, etc.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:25 pm

Elixir wrote:How does purchasing a rom off the Virtual Console influence the market? What market? The top games are always going to be Super Mario, Mario 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, etc.

Sin & Punishment, a relatively obscure japan-only rails shooter, sold so much that Treasure is now making the sequel. I'd say that's an influence in the market. I'm glad to have contributed. I have a feeling that Konami's decision to make Gradius Rebirth was influenced by the sales of all their Gradius games on the VC as well, although I don't have anything to back that up besides intuition.

If Nintendo manages to bring Cave/Raizing/Psikyo games to Virtual Console (you know, proper more modern shmups than a lot of what's on there) I'll most definitely pay for them, because I want to support the market for shmups.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:36 pm

Elixir wrote:How does purchasing a rom off the Virtual Console influence the market? What market? The top games are always going to be Super Mario, Mario 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, etc.

top # lists don't matter to me. I'd like to think the powers that run shit use purchase and download numbers as a basis of some degree to prioritize, put effort into, or decline certain STG releases; disc or download. With higher numbers, who knows maybe Nintendo makes a push through some legal barriers to get titles out there that otherwise wouldn't have made it.

Neither of us got evidence of how companies totally work behind the curtain, but I know the worst case scenerio is the first party declining games from appearing on their consoles and services like Sony and Microsoft have. I'd like to think buying things helps against that.

But that's just me.

edit: kengou is winning.

MadScientist · Post by **MadScientist** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:04 pm

Elixir wrote:And how do you propose they do that?

By hacking into people's computers and deleting their ill-gotten roms obviously!

No, I was thinking more about targeting ROM sites and preventing more people from downloading games that are commercially available again. But I suppose there are too many rom sites out there to go after all of them. Ok, I'll admit I didn't really put much thought into that question...

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:21 pm

DJ Incompetent wrote:
Elixir wrote:How does purchasing a rom off the Virtual Console influence the market? What market? The top games are always going to be Super Mario, Mario 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, etc.
top # lists don't matter to me. I'd like to think the powers that run shit use purchase and download numbers as a basis of some degree to prioritize, put effort into, or decline certain STG releases; disc or download. With higher numbers, who knows maybe Nintendo makes a push through some legal barriers to get titles out there that otherwise wouldn't have made it.

Neither of us got evidence of how companies totally work behind the curtain, but I know the worst case scenerio is the first party declining games from appearing on their consoles and services like Sony and Microsoft have. I'd like to think buying things helps against that.

But that's just me.

edit: kengou is winning.

But you shouldn't buy games that you can already play for free, on superior emulators. It just makes absolutely no sense to pay above the price you can purchase these games on ebay for, to "support the market", or rather, feel like you're supporting some behind the scenes market that you don't know anything about. Some games are worth it, yeah, like S&P because they actually have content this time. If you're buying something that you already own, or can download, it had better be for a pretty good reason.

PCBs I can understand, as people would want to play them in their original form. And/or they have a supergun or arcade cabinet to support it for a better experience. Older games I can understand, such as PS1 and prior, because of the same reason and for collection's sake. But this negates both of them, because they aren't the originals, and they're surpassed by freeware emulators that do a better job in the long run.

I think I can understand the merit in buying VC games to a point, but it's only because I purchased a few that I considered my favorite Megadrive games. There's a bunch of stuff on there which I would never buy, mostly because they're roms of inferior games. Like the Ninja Spirit they have on there.

There's also the fact that all PAL Wii consoles suffer from 50Hz games, which is complete bullshit in this day and age. Oh so we get to play what we experienced back in the 90's? Yeah, that's great, except that some of them are 60Hz and some are 50Hz, and there's a fucking wikipedia list of which games are and which games aren't. People shouldn't have to worry about that kind of shit when they just want to play a game. Or they could just download the PAL and US versions within 10 minutes and play them through zSNES or something.

D · Post by D » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:23 pm

This is a good thing!
I expect really old games or games that already had ports on every system, though. Call me a grumpy old twat.
So no Leo, ever! If it would happen it would be wonderful however, but I would not hold my breath.

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