Race for Japan is over, DQX for Wii

UnscathedFlyingObject · Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:04 pm

Whatever hope MS or Sony had for taking Japan have been completely atomic blasted by the announcement of DQX for the Wii (saw it on Kotaku.)

It seems the only console I'm getting for certain this gen is the Wii. I'm just waiting for Nintendo to 1) lower the price ($250 is too much for a "waggle 'cube"), 2) throw in a charger and rechargeable battery.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:12 pm

Twas bound to happen. Nintendo are well and truly back in the driving seat.

gabe · Post by **gabe** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:22 pm

UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:Whatever hope MS or Sony had for taking Japan have been completely atomic blasted by the announcement of DQX for the Wii (saw it on Kotaku.)

!!! - Here's a link in case anyone cares: http://wii.ign.com/articles/937/937167p1.html

UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:I'm just waiting for Nintendo to 1) lower the price ($250 is too much for a "waggle 'cube"), 2) throw in a charger and rechargeable battery.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Two years after launch, and they are still a rare item on store shelves. That gives Nintendo little incentive to change anything.

To give you an idea of current supply/demand, the average selling price of a Wii on eBay was $349 on Black Friday.

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:32 pm

Yeah, the race for Japan is over. The Wii has sales, the PS3 and Xbox 360 have games. Everyone is satisfied.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:45 pm

gabe wrote:
UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:I'm just waiting for Nintendo to 1) lower the price ($250 is too much for a "waggle 'cube"), 2) throw in a charger and rechargeable battery.
I wouldn't hold your breath.

Two years after launch, and they are still a rare item on store shelves. That gives Nintendo little incentive to change anything.

To give you an idea of current supply/demand, the average selling price of a Wii on eBay was $349 on Black Friday.

Let's see what happens next year or the one after. I'm a patient and cheap guy. You won't see me buying any system before a price drop and there's a bunch of games for cheap.

There's plenty of great PS2 games at steal prices that I still have to play, so I'm in no hurry of getting a Wii. I figure that will keep me busy until at least two years.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:02 pm

The DQ series is one of the most mind numbingly boring series I've ever tried to get myself into. Think SMT is slow? Tired of slugging your way through Suikoden? This outranks all of them. Throughout it's lifecycle we keep seeing the same thing that's continually demanded by it's fans: lack of change, lack of creativity, insane grinding, everything looking unoriginal thanks to Toriyama's inability to change his art direction. But I like the lack of change bit, because "creative" games can often end up sucking.

But DQ is lame. It's processed cheese, and Japan loves the smell.

Retrospect: Call of Duty is the exact same thing, but for westerners.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:15 pm

So? Who the hell cares what you think about the series. This was just a factual news, "Nintendo has pwned the competition in Japan." I really don't give two shits about most Nintendo games nowadays, but with Japanese third parties flooding to the Wii, only good things could happen.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:22 pm

UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:So? Who the hell cares what you think about the series. This was just a factual news, "Nintendo has pwned the competition in Japan." I really don't give two shits about most Nintendo games nowadays, but with Japanese third parties flooding to the Wii, only good things could happen.

This was never news and you're fairly late in discovering this.

PepsimanVsJoe · Post by **PepsimanVsJoe** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:25 pm

I love the DQ series so it's a good time for me.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:37 pm

Dragon Quest still plays like an old RPG series. That is exactly why people play it.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:22 pm

gabe wrote: I wouldn't hold your breath.

Two years after launch, and they are still a rare item on store shelves. That gives Nintendo little incentive to change anything.

To give you an idea of current supply/demand, the average selling price of a Wii on eBay was $349 on Black Friday.

just so you know the rest of the world ( by that i mean not north america) there is no black Friday. JSYK thats a lot of people

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:29 pm

Elixir wrote:It's processed cheese, and Japan loves the smell.

Retrospect: Call of Duty is the exact same thing, but for westerners.

I'm impartial regarding DQ as I've never bothered with it, but the Call of Duty comment is painfully incorrect IMO - from Modern Combat onward at least, they're superbly designed FPS's.

gabe · Post by **gabe** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:31 pm

Lordstar wrote:just so you know the rest of the world ( by that i mean not north america) there is no black Friday. JSYK thats a lot of people

And just so you know, Americans don't acknowledge the rest of the world.

All joking aside, I am aware of that. But the OP is from the US, and the article is obviously based on statistics in the US.

How could I have worded my post to be less offensive to my fellow global citizens? (I'm actually serious here, I'm not asking to be smug).

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:38 pm

Elixir wrote:The DQ series is one of the most mind numbingly boring series I've ever tried to get myself into.

Elixir wrote:Throughout it's lifecycle we keep seeing the same thing that's continually demanded by it's fans: lack of change, lack of creativity, insane grinding,

In other words, DQ is the Rolling Stones of the gaming world.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:50 pm

Skykid wrote:I'm impartial regarding DQ as I've never bothered with it, but the Call of Duty comment is painfully incorrect IMO - from Modern Combat onward at least, they're superbly designed FPS's.

CoD2's also on the 360, which was released in 2005. So they've released 4 games in 3 years. What does that tell you? What have they improved on that couldn't be added by expansion packs? Nothing. The levelling system is neat, but it makes 4 imbalanced. People keep buying these because they're the only successful war simulators out there that jumped on the online gaming bandwagon early.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:55 pm

Elixir wrote:People keep buying these because they're the only successful war simulators out there that jumped on the online gaming bandwagon early.

I think people keep buying them because they're good games.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:03 pm

Skykid wrote:
Elixir wrote:People keep buying these because they're the only successful war simulators out there that jumped on the online gaming bandwagon early.
I think people keep buying them because they're good games.

Even if the next Call of Duty is absolute shit or doesn't add anything over 5, people will buy it just to have the latest Call of Duty.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:52 am

Elixir wrote:The levelling system is neat, but it makes 4 imbalanced.

LOL, wow what a scrubby comment. Anyone who played or plays COD4 seriously knows this is not true.

The DQ series is one of the most mind numbingly boring series I've ever tried to get myself into. Think SMT is slow? Tired of slugging your way through Suikoden? This outranks all of them. Throughout it's lifecycle we keep seeing the same thing that's continually demanded by it's fans: lack of change, lack of creativity, insane grinding, everything looking unoriginal thanks to Toriyama's inability to change his art direction. But I like the lack of change bit, because "creative" games can often end up sucking.

But goddamn do I agree with you here!

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:17 am

I never did understand the appeal of DQ. Boring as hell, if you ask me.

Elixir wrote:The levelling system is neat, but it makes 4 imbalanced.

Ah yes. Eavesdrop and Dead Silence ruin everything.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:17 am

IX and X? Two numbered installments in something as big as DQ are not supposed to be talked about so close to each other!

Good news anyway. The Wii needs more of its SNES RPG lines back.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:00 am

There is huge irony in a forum focused on a genre which hasn't substantially evolved since the 80's trash talking DQ, but heh, everyone has opinions.

I agree that this announcement for X is way too early when 9 isn't even out. DQ games are also typically a bit further apart than say FF installments. Perhaps the re-release of 4 (and potential gold mine of releasing 5 & 6) has put a lot of money in the hands of their developers?

Certainly Square-Enix is riding high right now; so perhaps the DQ crew have been forced into high production???

Personally, I do think I'd have rather seen 10 announced for the PS3 as I really have not been assuming that the wii would be there for the long haul. Still, as long as the user-based is there, why not. I can always pull my wii out of the closet.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:19 am

Pfft...so what? Yeah, it'll sale a bucket load in Japan. It's still not going to make any other cool games come out on the damn thing. FF is still on PS and 360(in the U.S.), and all the other developers make games for those systems anyway.

This reminds me of when RE was on GC, and it just had a handful of other games to keep you busy. Except it's worse with the Wii.

If you're thinking about buying a Wii, just because the Wii has DQ on it, and you think that's a sign of dominance, in terms of developers making shit for it...well, dream on.

Hey, when the hell is IX coming out anyway? I've been waiting forever!

s/m

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:04 am

UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:2) throw in a charger and rechargeable battery.

You mean for the Wii Remote? I don't see why this is a show-stopper for you, when you can buy AA NiMH rechargeables and chargers anywhere for not too much money, and you can keep piles of them for cheaper than what I expect a 1st party accessory would cost.

Besides, you can use AA batteries for other things too. Much more versatile and cost-effective IMO. I use them for everything from Wii Remotes to wireless mice to mobile robots to the good old Virtual Boy.

I got some duff pieces of trash from eBay, but I also have some very good GP 2100 mAh units and top-class Ansmann 2700s.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:51 am

CMoon wrote:There is huge irony in a forum focused on a genre which hasn't substantially evolved since the 80's trash talking DQ, but heh, everyone has opinions.

+1
I freaking loved DQ VIII; so this is really good news for me.

BryanM · Post by **BryanM** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:57 am

Elixir wrote:Retrospect: Call of Duty is the exact same thing, but for westerners.

The positive reviews COD4 got re:single player blow my mind - is everyone a retardo? I guess I am, for not being on the ball decades ago and therefore not knowing the series was a pile. Worst Duck Hunt remake ever.

In my day, the Ducks didn't magically respawn from thin air after you shoot them, until you wander past an invisible "stop spawning" line. It's worse than infinite spin in Tetris, and I can not believe someone made a first person shooter like this.

I guess maybe these "graphics" everyone keeps talking about is why it even sells one copy. I can see "better graphics" going outside and taking a piss on some snow. Lifelike physics, too!

I also suppose you can go watch some of those Real Life war videos for a similar effect. I suggest the one of a Guy taking cover behind his truck to protect himself from an aerial gunner in a helicopter. It doesn't really help, considering the projectiles are the size of small lances. Also suggest the kewl chopper pilot who can fly between two trees at once!

Also what are they going to do when they can no longer continue to sell new generations of consoles on the basis of "amazing 3d graphics in the 3d's" any more? It's already down to the point where only five or six companies can afford this bullshit. Eventually the cut content is gonna get noticed - when Call of Doodie 14 comes out and each tiny arena is now the size of a toilet room and kitchen... maybe a person or two will start to notice we're not really any better off than the Playstation 2 days?

I mean, besides the technological breakthrough that is the hard drive.

/rant over

tldr: I like Dragon Quest. I think it's nifty.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:03 pm

I'd like to say this: the world changes.

GTA is selling in Japan. You wouldn't have said huh? Dragon Quest sell like hotcakes - true, but someday it's 80ness will be felt in Japan too, I guess. Not even Dragonball is as popular as it was a decade ago. Of course, Dragonball is a bore to watch while DQ is pretty fun because you play it. Still, the issue remains.

What I'm trying to say? Surely to have DQ on a system is to have the best third party ip; but for how long? Maybe Squenix realized this if they're marketing X while IX isn't in stores yet. It didn't take a lot for FF too to see its sales plunder.

Anyway, the choice of Wii is the most fitting one, because since VII dragon quest has been the most stubbornly "retro" RPG around. (which is great). Squenix must love an ip which is capable of generating massive amount of sales without the need for technnical edge - after all they have FF for that. In this sense, the platform specs are totally irrelevant to DQ - had the wonderswan sold as many units as the Wii, they could have made X for Wonderswan without any gameplay compromise.

I'm pretty curious to see how IX turns out (= how much it'll be different than the remake of IV, say)

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:23 pm

All that said, DQ/DW VII was actually doing some fairly innovative things using an absurdly retro interface. I think its pretty evident the makers want to do something new/weird but can't seem to get all their fans on board. What's odd is how other than the really pretty 3D game engine and the skill system, DQ 8 is actually a step back from 7--it genuinely is very retro and even drops some of the more inventive aspects that were appearing in earlier games.

Incidentally, DQ 9 is dropping random battles, and bringing back the class system and fusing it with the skill system, so it isn't exactly a clone of the earlier games.

As far as when it comes out--March 2009 in Japan.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:45 pm

iatneH wrote:
UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:2) throw in a charger and rechargeable battery.
You mean for the Wii Remote? I don't see why this is a show-stopper for you, when you can buy AA NiMH rechargeables and chargers anywhere for not too much money, and you can keep piles of them for cheaper than what I expect a 1st party accessory would cost.

Besides, you can use AA batteries for other things too. Much more versatile and cost-effective IMO. I use them for everything from Wii Remotes to wireless mice to mobile robots to the good old Virtual Boy.

I got some duff pieces of trash from eBay, but I also have some very good GP 2100 mAh units and top-class Ansmann 2700s.

Throwing the thing into a cradle or connecting it to a cable is much easier than opening the wiimote, taking out the batteries, taking out the charger, putting in the batteries, waiting 'til they charge, taking out the batteries, replacing the batteries into the wiimote, and closing the lid. Multiply that by 2 or 4 each two or three days of heavy play, and it becomes a nightmare for me. It's not about the cost but the annoyance.

It doesn't make sense for an electronic with heavy battery use to not have batteries you can charge on the device. From ipods to my cheapo $30 wireless phone have them.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:27 pm

BryanM wrote:In my day, the Ducks didn't magically respawn from thin air after you shoot them, until you wander past an invisible "stop spawning" line. It's worse than infinite spin in Tetris, and I can not believe someone made a first person shooter like this.

I guess maybe these "graphics" everyone keeps talking about is why it even sells one copy. I can see "better graphics" going outside and taking a piss on some snow. Lifelike physics, too!

I also suppose you can go watch some of those Real Life war videos for a similar effect. I suggest the one of a Guy taking cover behind his truck to protect himself from an aerial gunner in a helicopter. It doesn't really help, considering the projectiles are the size of small lances. Also suggest the kewl chopper pilot who can fly between two trees at once!

Also what are they going to do when they can no longer continue to sell new generations of consoles on the basis of "amazing 3d graphics in the 3d's" any more? It's already down to the point where only five or six companies can afford this bullshit. Eventually the cut content is gonna get noticed - when Call of Doodie 14 comes out and each tiny arena is now the size of a toilet room and kitchen... maybe a person or two will start to notice we're not really any better off than the Playstation 2 days?

This post is exactly like the Dragon Quest series: lots of nothing.

Do you have a point somewhere? I don't think it's "I like Dragon Quest"

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:15 pm

Elixir wrote:
BryanM wrote:In my day, the Ducks didn't magically respawn from thin air after you shoot them, until you wander past an invisible "stop spawning" line. It's worse than infinite spin in Tetris, and I can not believe someone made a first person shooter like this.

I guess maybe these "graphics" everyone keeps talking about is why it even sells one copy. I can see "better graphics" going outside and taking a piss on some snow. Lifelike physics, too!

I also suppose you can go watch some of those Real Life war videos for a similar effect. I suggest the one of a Guy taking cover behind his truck to protect himself from an aerial gunner in a helicopter. It doesn't really help, considering the projectiles are the size of small lances. Also suggest the kewl chopper pilot who can fly between two trees at once!

Also what are they going to do when they can no longer continue to sell new generations of consoles on the basis of "amazing 3d graphics in the 3d's" any more? It's already down to the point where only five or six companies can afford this bullshit. Eventually the cut content is gonna get noticed - when Call of Doodie 14 comes out and each tiny arena is now the size of a toilet room and kitchen... maybe a person or two will start to notice we're not really any better off than the Playstation 2 days?
This post is exactly like the Dragon Quest series: lots of nothing.

Do you have a point somewhere? I don't think it's "I like Dragon Quest"

I think it's 'I like Call of Duty'.

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