James Bond - Quantum of Solace is Great!

[Ceph]

Exept for the intro/theme song. I really enjoyed how this is a direct sequel to Casino Royale (which you need to have seen to understand the plot/motivation). Can't wait for part 3; I like this new type of James Blond.

And don't listen to those half wits who were unable to follow the plot. For once, most of it actually makes sense.

[Ed Oscuro]

I heard the main girl is not enough of a love interest, end of the british empire amirite?

[Never_Scurred]

Exept for the intro/theme song. I really enjoyed how this is a direct sequel to Casino Royale (which you need to have seen to understand the plot/motivation). Can't wait for part 3; I like this new type of James Blond.

And don't listen to those half wits who were unable to follow the plot. For once, most of it actually makes sense.

Wow sir. You are the first person i've heard who actually likes the movie. Everyone else is calling it the worst Bond yet. (I'm a Dalton man myself, no homo)

[Ceph]

love interest

Who cares about that Bond-cliché bullshit. I thought him not having an affair with the female lead for once was refreshing.

[Ceph]

Everyone else is calling it the worst Bond yet.

I'm not surprised. Fits well with my theory that most people are stupid.

[Never_Scurred]

BTW..Why is there a plane scene in almost every damned Bond movie?
Same with the boat scene.

[Ceph]

Come on, they already got rid of Q and the ridiculous gadgets.

[Ed Oscuro]

love interest

Who cares about that Bond-cliché bullshit. I thought him not having an affair with the female lead for once was refreshing.

I like how standard Bond histories congratulate the franchise for toning down the conquests from like two dozen to only like one dozen during the onset of the AIDS epidemic.

Other than that, I always found it pretty creepy and uncomfortable when Bond was getting it on...I'm not there to watch porn, that's what the 'net is for. On the other hand, Jesper Lynd and that story was amazing in Casino Royale; it only works once for the character though.

[Never_Scurred]

Come on, they already got rid of Q and the ridiculous gadgets.

lol

[kengou]

Ceph, I'm guessing you didn't like any of the Bond movies before Casino Royale? Classic Bond movies are ALL about "ridiculous gadgets" and hot bond girls and crazy rich people with insane plots to take over/destroy the world. They were corny, over the top, and AWESOME. I did like Casino Royale, but it still wasn't as good as most of Sean Connery's bond films. I'm pretty annoyed at the recent trend of "Restarting" old series as gritty, realistic, and brutal (only exception is Dark Knight, but Batman was pretty darn dark to begin with). I liked Bond because it was hammy and over the top. Now I'll still see Quantum because I'm a Bond fan and Casino Royale was a good film, but I'd like to see them return to some of the original aspects that made Bond so great.

[t0yrobo]

I liked it also. Most of the complaints I've heard about it are pretty much mot when you consider that it wasn't till after the events of this movie that he gets more of the mindset that Bond has in all the other films. Also I like that he's not a sleazeball, has gadgets that make sense, and actually looks like he could kick some ass unlike pretty much every other Bond.

[RGC]

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[Ceph]

I completely agree. Craig's rendition of Bond is for intelligent grown ups- it doesn't need invisible cars or comic book super-villains with large metal teeth to be cool.

Word of adivce, you should watch Quantum of Solace on the big screen while you have the chance. It simply won't look as good at home (well, unless you are watching the Blu Ray on a Laser TV, I suppose).

[Lordstar]

I completely agree. Craig's rendition of Bond is for intelligent grown ups- it doesn't need invisible cars or comic book super-villains with large metal teeth to be cool.

Word of adivce, you should watch Quantum of Solace on the big screen while you have the chance. It simply won't look as good at home (well, unless you are watching the Blu Ray on a Laser TV, I suppose).

yeah theres these cross brand Bond QOS/ sony HD adverts running right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naDHxhAOt7w

[PROMETHEUS]

I was bored during most of Casino Royale so I'm not sure I'll even check this one out.

[1up]

Im one of those people who think quantum of solace was utter crap.

Dont get me wrong, I can see where they are going, and what their intentions are. Sure the "old" Bond has to go, as he just doenst fit in these days.
I really liked Casino Royale,and the new rendition of Bond. The plot was great and it had great action.

But Quantum of Solace? It didn't feel like a Bond movie to me. The villain was a crap, the plot was crap. At one point in the movie with the fast edited action scenes I was thinking to myself, "Am I watching a Bourne movie?". The whole plot with him being all alone against everyone is pure Bourne and the fast edited action scenes are also pure Bourne.

Bourne of Solace, wtf

they need to step it up bigtime

[PROMETHEUS]

I completely agree. Craig's rendition of Bond is for intelligent grown ups- it doesn't need invisible cars or comic book super-villains with large metal teeth to be cool.

I do think Bond movies still abuse of the same tired unoriginal clichés with stupid scary faced enemies, the usual fatal women, the sempiternal last second explosions that I just can't stand anymore since 10 years, unrealistic heroic gunfights that pretend to be realistic, the usual unbearable character catchlines... I haven't seen Quantum of Solace yet, but no, I don't think Casino Royale fits the category of an action movie made "for intelligent grown ups". Rather, Old Boy would be something like that for example, in my opinion. I regard Bond movies as easy large audience blockbusters with little artistic value.

By the way, doesn't the villain in Casino Royale feature metal teeth ? Or is he just scarred and with a fake eye or something ?

[E. Randy Dupre]

Scar down his face.

It's funny, the complaint about how they should go back to how the series was "originally", because by all accounts Casino Royale *is* how Bond was supposed to be originally - that is, how he was in the books. A bit of rough, a bruiser, handy with his fists and something of a tosser. So Craig's Bond is closer to the source material than the others - Connery had it down to begin with, but it soon fell apart.

I liked Casino Royale, but I've got to agree that it's still not really anywhere near to being a truly intelligent movie. It's still popcorn blockbuster stuff, but none the worse for that.

The Bourne franchise is an answer to the Bond series - an attack on its excesses, a response that says hey, *this* is what you should be doing, *this* is how you make an exciting spy thriller. So it's not really surprising that new Bond is so heavily influenced by the way the Bourne flicks do things - it was the only way the Broccoli estate could go if they wanted their franchise to retain (or regain) any sort of credibility.

[Skykid]

Everyone else is calling it the worst Bond yet.

I'm not surprised. Fits well with my theory that most people are stupid.

Respect gone!

For once, most people are completely right regarding this film, it's total and utter garbage.

QOS: All action, zero fun. Verging on one of the worst Bond films ever.

[zlk]

1up is correct with his criticism of the editing. It was horrible. In two action sequences, each shot lasts 1/10th of a second making it virtually impossible to tell what is going on. The point of view switches back and forth and it gets annoying really fast.

The director said he was only given six weeks to edit the movie and would never want to be forced to work that fast ever again. It is too bad. I liked the movie, but it would have been much better with improved editing.

[Ceph]

I liked the movie

You are wrong to like it, of course. Some random internet user said it's garbage.

[jonny5]

if the 'bond formula' doesnt work anymore with modern audiences, why not just stop making them.....

cuz after all bond has been an extremely long running franchise....and very successful

using the title to market crap action flix with a character named bond as bond movies is silly.....

hollywood is fucked.....

[Ceph]

There's a review on imdb which sums it up pretty nicely (since you can't link to the reviews, I'll quote it:

Many people may cry foul, and say that Quantum of Solace abandons too many of the traditions which the die-hard fans hold dear. Many people may ask, "Where is the Goldfinger? Where is the Octopussy?" Where is the goofy villain with some bizarre gimmick, and why does the action feel like it belongs in a superhero movie? And why the hell is the humour so dry? I thought James Bond was just supposed to spout cheesy double-entendres all day long! Quantum of Solace is not your typical Bond film. It is no exaggeration to say that it has double the action of most, if not all, of the previous Bond films, and it certainly departs from many of the customs established by the series. For example, the classic gun-barrel sequence is used at the end of the movie, as opposed to the beginning. This is not necessarily a bad thing; throughout the movie, one still feels as if Craig's Bond is not quite yet the Bond we saw played by Connery or Brosnan, but rather a work in progress. This Bond starts fights when he probably should have avoided them, and he doesn't have a neat gadget to solve all of his problems. By the end, we see that the character has gained a little wisdom, and is ready to take on the big, bad, and relatively unharmed, villainous organization that is Quantum.

Quantum expands upon what Casino Royale started; it brings us close to the characters and lets us see them grow. In Bond films of the past, we would see Bond save the world from some villainous scheme, running through the motions until he reached the inevitable conclusion of scoring the babe. Not this time. This time, we are shown why it is important that Bond succeeds; we are shown the people who will be hurt and damaged by Dominic Greene's scheme to control South America's

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, and we see Bond's own hurt and growth. Characters like Judy Dench's M aren't just cute little cameos who pop in at the beginning of the film to fulfil their predetermined role, but rather are actual people. Instead of the Bond girl being some dime-a-dozen bimbo with a catchy name and simple motivation, we are presented with a real, breathing, troubled character in the form of Camille Montes.

Casino Royale may have given Bond's characters the attention they always needed, but Quantum is fuelled by its characters. The action scenes—which are phenomenal—are the unavoidable result of the characters which so vividly populate the screen. The plot doesn't necessarily take a back seat, but it feels more like a consequence of the characters' actions, and less like a contrived scheme. Again, this is a good thing. The villain has no evil lair, because it doesn't make sense for the villain to have a lair. Sure, the Bond series dictates that the villain must have said evil lair, but Dominic Greene disagrees, and it isn't up to Dr. No to decide his actions.

Quantum of Solace may disappoint some of its oldest, fondest fans. Very few of the series' conventions are obeyed, and even if they are, they are rarely adhered to in the usual manner. This does not change, however, that Quantum of Solace is a great film, equal parts action and character development, taking us into the next chapter of 007's struggle by way of the individuals on-screen. He will face Quantum, and he will do it as Bond. James, Bond.

****/****

[Specineff]

^^Ban, plz.

[Kaiser]

^^Ban, plz.

Oh noes, to ban a Cynical Energetic Penis Hater? Fuck not, we all love him

[MadScientist]

I didn't watch any Bond movies after Roger Moore until the last Pierce Brosnan one (Die Another Day). That was an unbelievably bad movie. I can't imagine the new one is anywhere near on the same level of awfulness.

Even some of the old Connery ones are pretty bad - usually when a new Bond comes out, some cable channel will have a marathon of old Bonds, so I watched 'Diamonds Are Forever' - holy crap, what a terrible movie that was. The acting, direction, editing, script... EVERYTHING, apart from Sean Connery, was just rubbish.

[Tempest]

1up is correct with his criticism of the editing. It was horrible. In two action sequences, each shot lasts 1/10th of a second making it virtually impossible to tell what is going on. The point of view switches back and forth and it gets annoying really fast.

Exactly, it suffers from "Batman Beings" Action Syndrome, where you have absolutely no idea who has one the fight until they are standing over their opponents battered body. It kinda made sense for a Batman, (Mimicking the discombobulation a thug might feel fighting Batman) but Bond? No thanks.

And "Another Way to Die" (The theme song) is perfectly fine. A far cry from Tina Turner's GoldenEye and Madonna's "Die Another Day". Blegh.

[undamned]

I saw this on Saturday and enjoyed it. No, it's no Casino Royal, but it does make a decent continuation of the series (well, the "new" bond series). For all those who hail the originals as wonderful masterpieces and anything that's new is rubbish, are you forgetting the scene in "License to Kill," where Bond pulls a wheelie with a semi-tractor trailer? We are far far from that kind of silliness and that is one of the big selling points for the new Bond movies.
-ud

[kozo]

I haven't seen a single Bond flick, but so far in this thread, this is what I see:

QoS is good: Well-thought out defense of the film, explained viewpoints and reasoning, acknowledgment that the movie stars a Bond in the making and is not yet the suave Bond of Connery's role.

QoS is bad: IT SUCKS IT SUCKS IT SUCKS IT'S NOT MORE OF THE SAME

Just saying.

[Lordstar]

I haven't seen a single Bond flick, but so far in this thread, this is what I see:

QoS is good: Well-thought out defense of the film, explained viewpoints and reasoning, acknowledgment that the movie stars a Bond in the making and is not yet the suave Bond of Connery's role.

QoS is bad: IT SUCKS IT SUCKS IT SUCKS IT'S NOT MORE OF THE SAME

Just saying.

I find it really hard to belive you have never seen a bond flick in your life. You do have a TV right? You have working eyes yeah and not a brail PC?