Man Cured of HIV?

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:47 am

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1226023 ... lenews_wsj

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ja0 ... 4LJ9VHOpuQ

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2306 ... -cured-hiv

I dunno, anyone remember that whole Andrew Stimpson situation?
Whatever happened to dude? I think this is either a hoax or a serious rush to judgement by people who should know better. What do you guys think/

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:50 am

This cure must be withheld and/or discredited, or else people might start thinking it's okay to have sex.

mufunyo · Post by **mufunyo** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:54 am

I accidentally the whole AIDS, is that bad?

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:11 am

mufunyo wrote:I accidentally the whole AIDS, is that bad?

This came completely out of left field, and I lol'd :p

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:09 am

yippiee! crackwhores here i come!

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:50 am

It's not a hoax. However, this treatment is very risky and biologically costly (it's a fucking bone marrow transfusion) and isn't viable for a large-scale delivery. Also, symptoms gone != virus not present.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:02 am

HIV is constantly mutating; there is already a strain that uses CXCR4 receptors instead of CCR5 receptors (which this story is about) to infect cells. Still, it's a start, and gene-therapy sounds like a promising way to "disable" the receptors HIV uses.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:57 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-k2vIDnHEI

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:22 pm

sven666 wrote:yippiee! crackwhores here i come!

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:50 pm

Jockel wrote:
sven666 wrote:yippiee! crackwhores and needle drugs here i come!

revision

Mortificator · Post by **Mortificator** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:23 pm

Lordstar wrote:
Jockel wrote:
sven666 wrote:yippiee! crackwhores and needle drugs and buttsex here i come!

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:28 pm

Twiddle wrote:It's not a hoax. However, this treatment is very risky and biologically costly (it's a fucking bone marrow transfusion) and isn't viable for a large-scale delivery. Also, symptoms gone != virus not present.

What kind of baby is afraid of a bone marrow transfusion?

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:12 pm

well for one thing the operation kills the recipient one out of every three times so

mufunyo · Post by **mufunyo** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:22 pm

Twiddle wrote:well for one thing the operation kills the recipient one out of every three times so

I'd rather die than take fucking pills for the rest of my life and be immune system impaired and shit.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:26 pm

mufunyo wrote:
Twiddle wrote:well for one thing the operation kills the recipient one out of every three times so
I'd rather die than take fucking pills for the rest of my life and be immune system impaired and shit.

It is a chance worth taking. Just not something you'd deliver to thousands of patients at a time (can you even find that many blood marrow donors who are immune to that strain of HIV?)

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:27 pm

Twiddle wrote:well for one thing the operation kills the recipient one out of every three times so

if i had aids i would take my chances and get the op

trivial · Post by **trivial** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:38 pm

not an "op". "CSF" isn't just for cerebrospinal fluid anymore. These things'll be done with blood. If they're scaled up and cloned, especially.

Also, being a loner is grate when temporarily immunosuppressed. Take it, endure it, allow it.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:37 pm

I thought everyone knew by now that HIV was a hoax.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:43 pm

Acid King wrote:I thought everyone knew by now that HIV was a hoax.

I would not go that far, but I remember watching a documentary about people living with AIDS who were refusing to take the medications but living just fine so they said. Then again this was about 10 years or so ago so who knows what condition they're in.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:11 pm

Never_Scurred wrote:I remember watching a documentary about people living with AIDS who were refusing to take the medications but living just fine so they said. Then again this was about 10 years or so ago so who knows what condition they're in.

By now, rotting in their graves, undoubtedly. Without treatment the median survival rate after the diagnosis of AIDS ranges between 6 and 19 months.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:29 pm

Ceph wrote:
Never_Scurred wrote:I remember watching a documentary about people living with AIDS who were refusing to take the medications but living just fine so they said. Then again this was about 10 years or so ago so who knows what condition they're in.
By now, rotting in their graves, undoubtedly. Without treatment the median survival rate after the diagnosis of AIDS ranges between 6 and 19 months.

Of course.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:57 pm

Never_Scurred wrote:
Acid King wrote:I thought everyone knew by now that HIV was a hoax.
I would not go that far, but I remember watching a documentary about people living with AIDS who were refusing to take the medications but living just fine so they said. Then again this was about 10 years or so ago so who knows what condition they're in.

I was just joking though I remember reading awhile back about people who had AIDS but not HIV. If HIV causes AIDS, how is that possible?

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:02 pm

Maybe they were living with HIV but not AIDS? That is possible.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:20 pm

Twiddle wrote:well for one thing the operation kills the recipient one out of every three times so

Yeah yeah whatever just cut my friggin bones open

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:53 pm

Acid King wrote:I remember reading awhile back about people who had AIDS but not HIV. If HIV causes AIDS, how is that possible?

There are other immune system disorders besides AIDS; sometimes they are misdiagnosed or otherwise misrepresented as being AIDS.

antron · Post by **antron** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:46 am

to receive the transplant they just inject someone else's cells into your blood. it's just that your cells have to be wiped out first by radiation or chemo.

it's the donor that gets a needle in his bones.

If I were one of these people with the AIDS proof mutation I would be real quiet about it.

trivial · Post by **trivial** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:41 am

antron wrote:If I were one of these people with the AIDS proof mutation I would be real quiet about it.

your paranoia about something time-consuming (and incapacitating for the recipient) calls to mind the sex change at knifepoint in "Desperate Living"

or did you have something more "Handmaid's Tale" or "Children Of Men" in mind? Just an envy-killing you're afraid of? A different gift?

antron wrote:it's the donor that gets a needle in his bones.

where did you get this idea? look up "colony-stimulating factor". Granted, the recipient might have a small amount of marrow withdrawn for testing.

antron · Post by **antron** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:33 am

trivial wrote:
antron wrote:If I were one of these people with the AIDS proof mutation I would be real quiet about it.
your paranoia about something time-consuming (and incapacitating for the recipient) calls to mind the sex change at knifepoint in "Desperate Living"

or did you have something more "Handmaid's Tale" or "Children Of Men" in mind? Just an envy-killing you're afraid of? A different gift?

this is what I was thinking of, but it turned out to be false:
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/robbery/kidney.asp
but then I came across this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/ ... 4713.shtml

I am an organ donor. But my organs are just like anyone's. People with the mutation might be rare.

trivial wrote:
antron wrote:it's the donor that gets a needle in his bones.
where did you get this idea? look up "colony-stimulating factor". Granted, the recipient might have a small amount of marrow withdrawn for testing.

Tumor board.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... quote]Bone marrow is taken from the donor in the operating room while the donor is unconscious and pain-free (under general anesthesia). Some of the donor's bone marrow is removed from the top of the hip bone. The bone marrow is filtered and treated. It can be transplanted immediately or frozen and stored for later use.

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Phil12 · Post by **Phil12** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:56 am

Even if there was a cure, I really don't believe it will ever be released. The medical industry makes an amazing amount of money pumping HIV prolonging drugs in to patients. It is a sad fact, but the truth.

junkeR · Post by **junkeR** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:13 am

Phil12 wrote:Even if there was a cure, I really don't believe it will ever be released. The medical industry makes an amazing amount of money pumping HIV prolonging drugs in to patients. It is a sad fact, but the truth.

Agreed. I doubt a cure for the big money makers would ever make it.