Whats a good price for musha?

[ryosnk]

My friend has it, but he wants me to make a good offer for it?

[CMoon]

I think $30 is probably typical.

[Dylan1CC]

Yeah, offer 25-30.

[tehkao]

Musha Aleste or M.U.S.H.A?

[ryosnk]

ITs M.U.S.H.A

[alpha5099]

30's par for the course, but like anything, you might be able to find a deal on it if you're lucky. I got my copy for about 10 bucks, but it's cart only.

[nosorrow]

Aaah, the good old days

What happened? Is it really just that CGR multi part review that opened the floodgates? I'm genuinely intrigued.

[chempop]

A combination of factors naturally, and not just for M.U.S.H.A, but the genre as a whole.

The big ones:

Those who grew up with 8-16bit/arcade games are adults with real jobs (can afford what the gougers demand).

Modern games have become stale for many gamers, who in turn look backwards towards the classics.

Young adults generally have generally less time to play games (job, family, etc), and shmups are the best genre for
getting that quick fix.

[LordHypnos]

hilarious thread necromancy is hilarious

I think $30 is probably typical.

ahahahahaha
What's the going rate these days? $300 for a loose cart or something

I basically understand the factors for why retrogames and shmups are so expensive these days, but I am kinda curious as to why MUSHA specifically... It didn't do much for me when I tried it. Plenty of MD shmups that I think I'd prefer over MUSHA.

[nosorrow]

The price that particular game goes for right now is outrageous. There is more to it than your (very reasonable) arguments, chempop. For instance, Gaiares, Space Megaforce and a slew of other very solid 16-bit shooters don't sell nowhere near the $300+ MUSHA can garner.

30's par for the course, but like anything, you might be able to find a deal on it if you're lucky.

Hindsight is 20/20 but still... lol!

[sojtrash]

Wow, I wish I collected retro games back in 2005...I had to pay like $60 for my loose Musha cart, and I thought it was ridiculous then.

Prices are a bit ridiculous now for retro collecting, so I gave it up myself.

[antron]

Wow, I wish I collected retro games back in 2005...I had to pay like $60 for my loose Musha cart, and I thought it was ridiculous then.

Prices are a bit ridiculous now for retro collecting, so I gave it up myself.

yes the prices today make flashcarts look awfully attractive.

[DQuick]

[quote="Nintendo Saturn"]The price that particular game goes for right now is outrageous. There is more to it than your (very reasonable) arguments, chempop. For instance, Gaiares, Space Megaforce and a slew of other very solid 16-bit shooters don't sell nowhere near the $300+ MUSHA can garner.

Throw in a dash of supply and demand with those arguments and you have it in a nutshell. The target audience has increasing purchasing power and once supply and demand hit a critical mass the price gets crazy.

[Bar81]

The price that particular game goes for right now is outrageous. There is more to it than your (very reasonable) arguments, chempop. For instance, Gaiares, Space Megaforce and a slew of other very solid 16-bit shooters don't sell nowhere near the $300+ MUSHA can garner.

Outrageous is not an objective term. In any case, given that M.U.S.H.A. is by far the best shmup on the Genny and one of the best Shmups out there, it's one case where the price differential can be justified.

[Kollision]

M.U.S.H.A. is by far the best shmup on the Genny

[sojtrash]

yes the prices today make flashcarts look awfully attractive.

well, the appeal for retro games is getting the genuine thing, otherwise why bother?

Still, the retro market is absurd. It's like one day, every greedy comic collector decided it was all junk, dropped off their stash at goodwill, started moving in on MY hobby and jacking up the price

[Despatche]

the whole "disillusioned with modern gaming" thing is pretty sad mostly because it's also a total lie

you can pick any big game made in the past like 9 years and it will probably be a better game than musha and a lot of these console shmups people obsess over

i mean cod ghosts of all things is a far more interesting and better-made game

[chempop]

the whole "disillusioned with modern gaming" thing is pretty sad mostly because it's also a total lie

It's not a lie if it's true for me. I simply lost interest in how the PC games disguised as console games took over the market. Yes, there are still some console games I'd probably enjoy, but noting that is as interesting as the gems on PS2/GC/Xbox era.

[louisg]

Definitely true for me as far as AAA games go. There's some I do like, but a lot of it is, IMO, appalling design-by-committee genericness. TBQH, I haven't really played FPS games or GTA, etc, for a while, but back when I did regularly play them, they were full of gameplay mechanic issues (with the big draw being the cinema scenes and in-game cinematic flair). CoD did seem pretty good when I played that multiplayer, but I hear from people who play it a lot that it's pretty full of exploits (or at least the previous installments were).

I'm not even a MUSHA fan (I'm on the record somewhere dissing it I'm sure), but I think I'd take even that over a lot of bigger budget titles. There's some interesting smaller-scale games out now though. I think the modern game market is big enough that everyone can find *something* they like. Aside from huge-budget titles, there are smaller retail titles, all kinds of independently-developed games... But I keep getting drawn back to retrogaming anyway

[neorichieb1971]

Then you have people like me who have had Musha in the attic space for about 3 years now. And no, I can't be bothered to get it down

[Bar81]

the whole "disillusioned with modern gaming" thing is pretty sad mostly because it's also a total lie

you can pick any big game made in the past like 9 years and it will probably be a better game than musha and a lot of these console shmups people obsess over

i mean cod ghosts of all things is a far more interesting and better-made game

[BIL]

Then you have people like me who have had Musha in the attic space for about 3 years now. And no, I can't be bothered to get it down

A moth could eat it!

Then my copy would be worth EVEN MORE

I could even spend a whole $400 ON GAMEZ ZOMG

[Nana]

the whole "disillusioned with modern gaming" thing...

Nah. I do in general prefer older games, but there's lots of great stuff these days too. COD is definitely not one of them. While MUSHA is nowhere near one of my favorite shmups, it at least has SOUL and love put into it. I would say the reason people are turned off by modern games in particular is due to the absurdly high budgets, resulting in a bunch of critic-safe and 'acceptable' games, instead of weird experimental games that aren't as polished, but clearly have an artists' vision behind them.

Obviously I'm not saying this is true of all modern games; just the mainstream ones. For every COD or Battlefield, we have a Catherine, Deception, Resonance of Fate, and Tokyo Jungle.

tl;dr: modern games are just as good, but MUSHA > COD

[sojtrash]

the whole "disillusioned with modern gaming" thing is pretty sad mostly because it's also a total lie

you can pick any big game made in the past like 9 years and it will probably be a better game than musha and a lot of these console shmups people obsess over

DLC abuse, online passes, subscriptions, pre-order bonuses, pay-to-win....no it's not a lie

When you strip away the graphics and multiplayer with many AAA games, you find they're just mediocre games backed by a big budget and commercial hype. And generic orchestral music.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes I like games with mediocre gameplay, like Sniper Elite V2 for the flashiness and joy of sniping testicles, but doesn't mean it's better than the 16-bit classics.

[Captain]

Whats a good price for musha?

Your soul.

[Jonst]

It's rare to see a jp version for under £70...if you could find one for around £50,I'd say that was a good price.Highly unlikely though these days.

[antron]

yes the prices today make flashcarts look awfully attractive.

well, the appeal for retro games is getting the genuine thing, otherwise why bother?

If you were in a room with only the screen and controllers visible you could not tell you were playing on a flashcart. The genuine "thing" is the play experience, not cart foreplay.

[nosorrow]

cart foreplay, lol

You're on to something though: needing to have the "original" cart has a lot to do with being obsessive compulsive. I know I can be. I have the game on the Virtual Console, and it's a great emulation job at that. Nevertheless, I am still eyeing a complete copy... That's irrational, I am aware of it, but I'm still looking to get it...

Oh: and I sold my copy last April, lol... :-/

[Astraea FGA Mk. I]

Sort of relevant, I was considering buying several SNES and SFC games and priced it up on ebay which really opened my eyes to how silly things have gotten.
I got a custom SD2SNES instead, which has proven to be one of the best purchases I have ever made.
I think the days are approaching when early cartridge based games will expire and no longer boot, I wonder how valuable inoperable carts will be?
The smart thing to do may be to sell off entire collections as soon as a barrage of reports of carts dying start to appear.. this is speculation I know.
I think someone's approach to classic gaming will determine whether collecting is worthwhile. It is a ratio of desire to collect and the desire to play; I have always heavily prioritized actually playing the games.
Most of my rare games I purchased new at retail back when they were current gen, I would not buy these titles at today's prices.

I don't see collecting as a valid investment for these reasons. I would rather spend £100 on a Cave title new from a proper retailer, actually contributing to the developer and publisher, than spend that same £100 on a used game on ebay where I am funding the business of hoarders.

[BIL]

I think the days are approaching when early cartridge based games will expire and no longer boot, I wonder how valuable inoperable carts will be?

Nah. Atari carts from the 70s are still trucking along. I've got a nice FC Balloon Fight ('84) that boots every time and runs for hours without a hitch, as expected. Mask ROMs won't be giving up any time soon. EEPROMs may be sketchier but I can't think of any official FC/MD/SFC carts that used them.

That said - anyone buying this stuff worried about making a loss on it someday, for whatever reason, is wasting their MFN' time imo. Get a flashcart.