HRAP2SA

orange · Post by **orange** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:13 am

didn't see any topics around here for this, figured I should put one up :>

available for pre-order at akihabarashop.jp

there's currently 23 left, and if you plan of getting one pre-order it asap since they're only making one run of them

i'm pretty excited to get one, considering i've never had a decent stick before

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:19 am

orange wrote:didn't see any topics around here for this, figured I should put one up :>

available for pre-order at akihabarashop.jp

there's currently 23 left, and if you plan of getting one pre-order it asap since they're only making one run of them

i'm pretty excited to get one, considering i've never had a decent stick before

I loathe to once again show my 'ignertnez' but do I have to create an account before I can learn the price for the stick itself?
Im capable of converting Yen to $ but I dont see the Yen amount for anything but shipping...

As a side note Play-Asia will have their stock of HRAP2 SA's on 4/18 & will soon be taking pre orders...

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-4 ... -2nut.html

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:37 am

Of course, note that for an <$100 stick, this totals over $200 from Akihabarashop, shipped from Hori in Japan via EMS to the US.

bkk · Post by **bkk** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:49 am

Slightly >$100 with todays rate it seems. Shipping prices here, there is some markup compared to Hori's store but I'd guess it's still cheaper than play-asia.

orange · Post by **orange** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:03 am

the prices for the controllers themselves are in the upper left corner of the shipping page

Price for 1 pcs = 13490yen/each

Price for 2 pcs = 13290yen/each

Price for 3 pcs = 13090yen/each

Price for 4 pcs = 12890yen/each

Price for 5 or more = 12590yen/each

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:56 am

orange wrote:the prices for the controllers themselves are in the upper left corner of the shipping page

Price for 1 pcs = 13490yen/each

Price for 2 pcs = 13290yen/each

Price for 3 pcs = 13090yen/each

Price for 4 pcs = 12890yen/each

Price for 5 or more = 12590yen/each

What an unobservant doof I am! Thanks...

Hmmmm, $135 for the stick & $67 for shipping pretty much tells me I would be much far better off to mod my HRAP2 with Sanwa or Semitsu parts & be done with it.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:26 pm

I assume there's no difference between a HRAP SA and the HRAP2 SA besides the coloring?

Patmaster · Post by **Patmaster** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:40 pm

And maybe the limited amount of units produced... It's more a collectors item. I will mod my HRAP2 with Sanwa all the way and will be fine. But darn... Appr. 120 Euros for the stick shipped to Germany.. Not a bad offer at all for a brand new Limited one.

EDIT @Fudoh: With the HRAP2 Hori slightly changed the position of the buttons and the stick to more japanese arcade. That means, that the HRAP2 is built like an arcade panel as for the layout.,

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:44 pm

I hope to grab one of these off play-asia. It looks pretty nice.

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:12 pm

I only mention this as no one on this post has & not everyone may know.
I didnt until I read about it...

The SA stands for Sanwa as in Sanwa stick.
Just as the HRAP2 SE had a Semitsu stick.

The buttons will be Hori standard ( Hori makes their own buttons Im guessing, or do they? ) but will install a Sanwa stick.
Which model stick, I dont know...

This has been a public service announcement...

Patmaster · Post by **Patmaster** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:38 pm

Here is a link to the Hri site, that shows the editions for the HRAP1.

http://www.hori.jp/products/ps2/control ... index.html

They are called Special Additon (ALL Sanwa Parts) and Special Edition (ALL Semitsu Parts). I don't think that they will change it in their HRAP2 range.

Aah, here, I've found a link to the offical Hori page refering the HRAP2SA

http://www.hori.jp/products/ps2/control ... c_pro2_sa/

As I have stated before, ALL Sanwa Parts..

JLF-SK along with OBSF30...

I think I don't need a stick that I can mod myself the same way.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:40 pm

doodude wrote:I only mention this as no one on this post has & not everyone may know.
I didnt until I read about it...

The SA stands for Sanwa as in Sanwa stick.
Just as the HRAP2 SE had a Semitsu stick.

The buttons will be Hori standard ( Hori makes their own buttons Im guessing, or do they? ) but will install a Sanwa stick.
Which model stick, I dont know...

This has been a public service announcement...

I have no clue what the difference is between Sanwa and Semitsu sticks, so .. :S

vmf425 · Post by **vmf425** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:12 pm

Udderdude wrote:
I have no clue what the difference is between Sanwa and Semitsu sticks, so .. :S

Seimitsu sticks commonly have a tighter throw than sanwa sticks, the stick also snaps back tp neutral a little faster.

Seimitsu is commonly used on a select few japanese shmup cabs as well as some (but not all) newer fighters, while sanwa is commonly used on most other games.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:33 pm

I can confirm, that HRAP 1 SA is fully Sanwa - sticks and buttons. This is my main stick for the PS1/2.

To get back on the differences once again.

I don't see any chance in the button layout between the two. The parts are also the same, so I really guess there are no differences at all ????

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:52 pm

I stand corrected on the Stick & buttons issue. I could have sworn it was just a stick upgrade but Im glad to hear its a full boat.

Thanks for the clarification.

I too will just mod my HRAP2 with SE parts to upgrade...

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:58 pm

doodude wrote:
I too will just mod my HRAP2 with SE parts to upgrade...

thats my word!!

llaoyllakcuf · Post by **llaoyllakcuf** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:12 am

Fudoh wrote:The parts are also the same, so I really guess there are no differences at all ????

HRAP1SA contains OBSF-30RG buttons, which have a bigger/higher-quality microswitch and slightly different 'feel' than the standard OBSF-30

HRAP2SA looks to contain just the standard OBSF-30 buttons, not the pricier "RG" model.

bkk · Post by **bkk** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:21 am

Preordered, thanks for the heads up orange!

Post by **spadgy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:31 pm

I really wouldn't mind getting a HRAP2 SE - are they coming - have they been out?

Having just got a Seimitsu to replace the super long throw and engage VSHG stick (Sanwa, though not sure which one), I've turned to Seimitsu. Perfect for shmups it seems. So I'd love to have an HRAP2 SE to replace my knacked old Hori FS2. (And Doodude - I'm sticking with you - I'm still working towards building a PS2 stick from scratch too.)

Finally, any rumours about HRAP3 SE/SA?

it290 · Post by **it290** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:01 am

I've been thinking about switching to Seimitsu myself, but I also play fighters. Anyone know how they respond on those? Smooth half circle motions are key. I know it's been discussed before but I couldn't find anything w/the search.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:36 am

Sanwa sticks are slightly better for motions since they offer slightly less resistance, hence why pretty much all 2D fighters use Sanwa sticks.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:44 am

Right, but my game play right now is about 75% shmup, 25% fighter. I find the Sanwa perfectly decent for shmups and great for fighters, but I think a tighter throw could help my shmup game. Just wondering if the tradeoff is worth it.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:56 am

I doubt it'll affect your game in an incredible degree but if you predominantly play shooters, you ought to go for it. Some JP arcades use Seimitsu for fighters and I haven't heard of anybody complaining. I have different sticks for both genres and like hitting the harder Seimitsu angles so I guess get a stick if you need another one.

If top US fighting game players who always use Happ competition sticks can adjust a fair degree to Sanwa sticks in a few days and still place very well, it's fair for you to not expect much change.

ReKleSS · Post by **ReKleSS** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:06 pm

doodude wrote:I stand corrected on the Stick & buttons issue. I could have sworn it was just a stick upgrade but Im glad to hear its a full boat.

It's not a stick upgrade. The JLF-TP-8Y-SK is the same stick you get in every other HRAP, except the SE.

Paik4Life · Post by **Paik4Life** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:33 pm

Just to note, as people have said before, the HRAP SA did use RGs, but what people don't know is that they were specially made RGs in the Vermillion color which were Hori exclusive. You were never able to buy OBSF-30RG in Vermillion.

For the HRAP2 SA, there are no RGs so it's a bit of a downgrade, but they do have another exclusive button color for Hori. The start and select buttons are OBSF-24 DH/K (dark hai/black). Dark hai meaning grey.

And the HRAP SE also had the higher quality microswitches (same as the microswitches used in Sanwa's RGs). These are PS-14-GX buttons. However, they were not an exclusive and were readily available to the public. They are now discontinued from Seimitsu though.

~Paik

Etrian · Post by **Etrian** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:32 am

Can someone explain to me what the difference between this new stick, and the original HRAP (green buttons/silver) are? Maybe it's time for an upgrade?

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:02 am

Sanwa buttons rather than Hori buttons.
HRAP2 button layout rather than HRAP1 button layout.
Different colors.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:13 am

Any idea of roughly how much PA will be charging for this beast?

TheRealNeoGeo · Post by **TheRealNeoGeo** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:40 am

http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-fku ... -2nut.html
189.90 + shipping.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:44 am

Too late, preorders were alocated while I was sleeping

Still, that is a bit dear...

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