Star Trek hype thread

[Neon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film%29

Actually I was mostly interested in knowing whether the Enterprise series was worth checking out, I haven't seen a single episode.

Pros for the new movie:

- Made by the minds behind Lost

Cons:

- Original series characters. The whole idea is that it's an idealized future where we all get along. To maintain relevance, Spock should be gay and Uhura Islamic, and someone has to be from Venezuela and/or Iran. Kirk can be the PASP.

[JBC]

Scott Bakula. lulz.

[Ceph]

Spock should be gay and Uhura Islamic, and someone has to be from Venezuela and/or Iran. Kirk can be the PASP.

Of course you know that humanity has moved past religion, nationalism and racism in Star Trek. And without religion, who would care about homosexuality?

[Neon]

Everyone. Religion's not the problem (plenty of Christians/Muslims etc. are pro-LGBT), people just use religion to grant moral legitimacy to their bigotry. "I hates me some fags" becomes acceptable when you say "I hates me some fags, 4 JEEZUS!"

[spadgy]

Still, isn't one of the main points of the Star Trek world that humanity has largely transcended it's prejudices and suchlike?

[Neon]

Still, isn't one of the main points of the Star Trek world that humanity has largely transcended it's prejudices and suchlike?

That's my point, poopybutt

[themachinist]

I heard from the trekkies that Enterprise sucked.
Oh yea, looking forward to the movie.
I watched all of Voyager and now I'm workin on TNG.

[spadgy]

Still, isn't one of the main points of the Star Trek world that humanity has largely transcended it's prejudices and suchlike?

That's my point, poopybutt

Oh - OK! I wipe my soiled butt with the towel of fact

I just got the impression you thought prejudice would still exist in Trek even though religion wouldn't.

Anyway - I'm bloody excited about the movie. And I'm not a fan of Enterprise despite being a mild to medium Trekkie.

[Neon]

I just got the impression you thought prejudice would still exist in Trek even though religion wouldn't.

I see...what I'm saying is that hypothetical new characters should be updated for modern prejudices, to retain the show's initial impact on the present day viewing audience.

Of course, you can't be Chuck D all the time, and you can't be Flava Flav all the time. Nothing wrong with going with what's familiar and comfortable every now and then. I guess it's not a serious mark against the film.

Thanks for your input.

[Randorama]

I see...what I'm saying is that hypothetical new characters should be updated for modern prejudices, to retain the show's initial impact on the present day viewing audience.

alll atheist rational people. Some pasp as a captain should make the creatonists happy, but please have a Dawkins and Chomsky cameo. Have a cross-over with the Doctor and the torchwood contra-like captain. The emperor of the Daleks can be Huckabee once super/tuesday is over, i think.

[Pixel_Outlaw]

I liked the TNG. When I worked at wal*mart I always said I was going home for lunch to "have lunch with the Captain". It was a bit too liberal for me at times but I did like the happytimesgoodfeelings part about it. Carl Rogers would approve. Thou shalt have no other trek before TNG.

[Herr Schatten]

I always liked DS9 the best. It had longer story archs and overall more interesting characters than any other Star Trek series. The absence of abominations like Neelix or Wesley Crusher helped a lot, too.

I also enjoyed TNG and the classic series.

If you weren't lucky enough to catch an episode which centered exclusively around the doctor and/or Seven of Nine, Voyager pretty much blew. Enterprise didn't even have resorts like that, although I have to admit that it was a little less awful than Voyager.

[spadgy]

Earl Grey - Hot!

I'm a TNG man through and through.

[Ceph]

The best shows were TNG and DS9. Except for The Doctor I never liked Voyager much.

About Enterprise: I think it became interesting in season 3. A bit late, because by then (almost) everyone had stopped watching, making its cancellation inevitable.
And yeah, most of the characters from Enterprise were even more boring than the crew of Voyager.

As for the original series: I find it a bit hard to watch nowadays. There is only so much Kirk beating up aliens I can take. Best characters from the original series are Spock and Bones, of course. "I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer."

Star Trek as a whole: It's not surprising that the producers of TNG (Berman etc.) ran out of ideas evetually. What can you expect, after more than 20 years of continuous production. It's just sad that TNG came to an end with that truly awful movie Nemesis (nb, Wesley Crusher attended the wedding at the beginning of Nemesis; when did he come back?!). The series deserved a better finale than this nonsense.

[Nuke]

alll atheist rational people.

I'm atheist and even I know that's bullshit.
Stupids and jerks are just as common amongst us as they are in religious groups.

[Pixel_Outlaw]

Star Trek had religions for many of the races. It still amuses me that they were all bipedal though. All of the aliens in the universe look just like us except they come in different colors and face shapes. Silly English.

[Ceph]

It still amuses me that they were all bipedal though. All of the aliens in the universe look just like us except they come in different colors and face shapes.

Haha! That was actually explained in a Next Generation episode.

EDIT: It was season 6, episode 20. Here you go: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/s ... 68598.html

[Mortificator]

I was mostly interested in knowing whether the Enterprise series was worth checking out, I haven't seen a single episode.

The first two seasons were basically Voyager in the past. There were some good episodes, but most of them were just trite little fairy tales. They reused the "crew gets abducted but learns their captors aren't all bad" ploy a dozen times, easy. If you would have asked me about Enterprise then, I would have said it's just a trashy cash-in.

But at the end of the second season, aliens blast the shit out of Florida and Latin America and kill millions of people. Season 3 is a single long story arc, as the Enterprise plays cat-and-mouse in enemy territory. It's really good.

Season 4 was primarily multi-part episodes. They're basically the kind of stories that people thought the show would have from the beginning; one arc's on Vulcan, one's in the Mirror Universe, and so one. Not quite up to season 3 in my eyes, but I usually prefer serial-style TV (as long as there's a definite end in sight).

It's really too bad most people had stopped watching before the show hit its stride. Most of the early episodes of Next Gen were terrible, but it managed to get an audience for Borg season finale, and they stuck around.

So I'd say watch a smattering of the best eps from the first two years, and all of the last two.

[kengou]

I stopped watching enterprise after the first season, horrible show. And that's coming from someone who doesn't mind watching Voyager now and then. Even though Voyager wasn't close to as good as TNG or the original series, it still felt like classic Trek, except with a goal at the end instead of just "Explore strange new worlds" etc. Enterprise, though... didn't feel like Trek. It's like the new Battlestar Galactica. I loved the classic one but hate the current series because it just doesn't feel like the old one to me. It's a lot darker, more dramatic, and didn't have that romping space adventure/swashbuckling that the original had, and I feel the same type of thing happened to Enterprise. It didn't have that fantastical space adventure quality that the other Trek series had. In fact that's also why I didn't like DS9; I admit I didn't watch the later seasons which I hear were great (big space battles, all that), but from what I did watch, it was pretty boring. Everyone standing around a space station talking about politics or something, reminded me of Babylon 5 or something.

[Pixel_Outlaw]

I liked it when Data tapped into his creative side while seeking his father that was profound.

[spadgy]

I think I said it somewhere before but this feels a more fitting thread. Did anybody notice in the recent Star Trek comic Riker save a holodeck program set in the skies of WWII as 'Riker's 1945' or something very similar. Possible a shmup reference?

On and off topic, my wife's a bit of a trekky, and basically fancies Captain Picard even though she wouldn't admit fancying a guy that much older. Anyway, when I proposed I was all planning on just getting out the ring and saying 'engage', but in the moment I just blarted out the usual question...

[JoshF]

[Ed Oscuro]

Still, isn't one of the main points of the Star Trek world that humanity has largely transcended it's prejudices and suchlike?

and yet they still act pretty much like people always do. Five, six centuries, and bioengineering seems to be banned still

Star Trek is actually pretty conservative - they just don't often deal with the most controversial stuff. Not that it'd work out very well if they did, but I think that's a fact.

[Macaw]

star trek is awesome

[Macaw]

Why does Kirk have blond hair in the original series and curly dark hair in the movies?

Toupe

[Ceph]

What, no cure for baldness in the 24th century?

[Herr Schatten]

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to catch everything, because people kept talking on and off topic in the same posts, but most of the atheism discussion from this thread has moved here.

[ROBOTRON]

60's and TNG ruled. The 60's series was way ahead of its time...the things that they used and talked about...highly sophisticated and unheard in that day and age. Pretty decent special efx too.

[spadgy]

Star Trek is actually pretty conservative - they just don't often deal with the most controversial stuff. Not that it'd work out very well if they did, but I think that's a fact.

Never thought of it like that but you're right. They have a liberal all knowledgeable standpoint, but based on pretty conservative ideology/foundations.

I guess they don't deal with the more controversial stuff because (in the UK at least) it was always aired at around 6pm.

[Ceph]

How did the Klingons ever develop warp drives? Or phasers? Or space flight? Or computers? Or electricity? Or ... well, you get my point.