why are Seibu Kaihatsu's games protected?

[VicViper_Mk2]

just what makes them so special that they encrypt all their games.(is this their way of gloating to others?) I like raiden, its a good game, but not good enough to the point where it deserves protection.

and just why noone has been able to crack it yet? is it that complicated? before i thought street fighter 3rd strike is never going to be emulated, and all the sudden there it is, its emulated and playable. a popular game on an CPS-3 gets emulated, and they can't do it to old raiden? shame.

i guess we're lucky that not all the company acts like Seibu Kaihatsu, otherwise mame and emulation as a whole wouldn't have existed.

[Twiddle]

just what makes them so special that they encrypt all their games.(is this their way of gloating to others?)

Raiden 1 was heavily pirated and bootlegged, and they developed a really nasty encryption scheme for Raiden 2, DX, and Zero Team as a response to this.

Seibu SPI is not encrypted, just ridiculous to emulate.

If you actually played games for the gameplay (which you don't) you'd know that Seibu developed some of the most refined shooters to exist.

[VicViper_Mk2]

i see, so thats why they introduced the encryption idea, at least i know their reasons for doing it now.

and don't go telling me what i play for. I like a good story, but if the game can't give one then thats alright too. after all shmups are not known for their best storyline. just because I'm a bit self-absorbed in the story department doesn't mean i'm a story maniac that wants a award-winning story for a shmup.

FYI, i do play text-based adventure game, its just that shmups are higher up on the list. and i know some of Seibu's good games and played it, like Viper phase 1, raiden fighter jets, etc. smarten up, think before you say.

[Twiddle]

and don't go telling me what i play for. I like a good story, but if the game can't give one then thats alright too. after all shmups are not known for their best storyline. just because I'm a bit self-absorbed in the story department doesn't mean i'm a story maniac that wants a award-winning story for a shmup.

FYI, i do play text-based adventure game, its just that shmups are higher up on the list. and i know some of Seibu's good games and played it, like Viper phase 1, raiden fighter jets, etc. smarten up, think before you say.

There exists such a thing as "educated guessing" and since you have displayed none of these traits you say you have in your short period of posting I believe my statements were fully warranted at the time.

[VicViper_Mk2]

about your "educated guess", don't. if you don't know something for sure they don't say it, and certainly don't "guess" what you think its right.

besides, why do you give a damn what i play for? some play for the gameplay, i do too, its just my interest shifts slightly in the story side, but still largely remain in the gameplay (if i want story i would load up my FF7 instead of wasting time saying this here) is it harming anyone? i won't say much, other than i detect nitpicking over trivial things. so stop, before you embarrass yourself more than you already have.

[doctorx0079]

about your "educated guess", don't. if you don't know something for sure they don't say it, and certainly don't "guess" what you think its right.

besides, why do you give a damn what i play for? some play for the gameplay, i do too, its just my interest shifts slightly in the story side, but still largely remain in the gameplay (if i want story i would load up my FF7 instead of wasting time saying this here) is it harming anyone? i won't say much, other than i detect nitpicking over trivial things. so stop, before you embarrass yourself more than you already have.

BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

Seriously, I have to say if you really want to play Raiden, get The Raiden Project for PS1, Raiden DX for PS1 and/or Raiden III for PS2. I got Raiden Project used for $6 at a store that went out of business. Recently I got Raiden III new at GameStop for $29.99. Of course if you really want Raiden Fighters you may be SOL. Apparently Seibu doesn't like Raiden Fighters etc. You could always buy the PCB on Ebay and get a supergun though.

Yes you can play Raiden Project in tate. Here once again is the thread.

[Twiddle]

about your "educated guess", don't. if you don't know something for sure they don't say it, and certainly don't "guess" what you think its right.

It worked 4 out of 7 times!

besides, why do you give a damn what i play for? some play for the gameplay, i do too, its just my interest shifts slightly in the story side, but still largely remain in the gameplay (if i want story i would load up my FF7 instead of wasting time saying this here) is it harming anyone? i won't say much, other than i detect nitpicking over trivial things.

tbqh it has more to do with you acting that you're always right fyi

edit: actually i have a vested interest in the scoreplay community and people who play shmups for the story are kind of like the people who play games like this for the gameplay in that they are odd and weird, but when they act like their viewpoint is the true correct one it is very problematic considering the intentions of the designers of said games

so stop, before you embarrass yourself more than you already have.

[Fighter17]

Good games, but the hitbox is most of the time too big for my liking.

[VicViper_Mk2]

i never said i was right all the time, you don't have to agree to it, and no one is forcing you to do so either.

in other words, you're saying I'm weird, and just can't resist poking fun of me is that right? Well wake up and smell the napalm, there is no shortage of weird people in the world, and I'm pretty sure there are far more weirder and dangerous ones than me you have to worry about. you make it sound like its a sin to like the story more, and even if thats true, who asked you? who are you to tell others what they can and cannot like? does your voice speak for all?

The reason i want a good story is i get a sense of accomplishment as the hero who saves the world, and a good story can bring it out in a spectacular way. I'm sorry if you don't understand or agree to it, and i won't force you to. it is after all, my opinion, which can be debated on its true or false, but ultimately it doesn't matter.

So there you have it. In the future, try to keep some things to yourself instead of blurting it out. and don't make fun of people that likes the story more, everyone is different.

[JoshF]

Dodonpachi's hitbox is too small for my liking.

[Twiddle]

i never said i was right all the time, you don't have to agree to it, and no one is forcing you to do so either.

condescending post tone

in other words, you're saying I'm weird, and just can't resist poking fun of me is that right? Well wake up and smell the napalm, there is no shortage of weird people in the world, and I'm pretty sure there are far more weirder and dangerous ones than me you have to worry about. you make it sound like its a sin to like the story more, and even if thats true, who asked you? who are you to tell others what they can and cannot like?

yes

The reason i want a good story is i get a sense of accomplishment as the hero who saves the world, and a good story can bring it out in a spectacular way. I'm sorry if you don't understand or agree to it, and i won't force you to. it is after all, my opinion, which can be debated on its true or false, but ultimately it doesn't matter.

there are better ways to achieve a sense of accomplishment, some of which involve other players screaming falsificare

So there you have it. In the future, try to keep some things to yourself instead of blurting it out. and don't make fun of people that likes the story more, everyone is different.

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[Macaw]

Haha, this thread is awesome.

Also, I am pissed Seibu put that protection on Zero Team. One of the only beat em ups i'm yet to play!

[VicViper_Mk2]

hopeless, all i can say. and to think it all started because i like the story more, and you just had to be the big man to tell me the rights and wrong and whatnot. I'm sure i'm not going to be the only one to tell you this but seriously: "get a life" and wake up instead of nitpicking others.

and what is heck is a falsificare. its not in the dictionary, and certainly "weird" if its a shmup term.

[yojo!]

I like raiden, its a good game, but not good enough to the point where it deserves protection.

You are not making sense; protection has nothing to do with your opinion of the game; It's about protecting copyright.

[VicViper_Mk2]

I like raiden, its a good game, but not good enough to the point where it deserves protection.

You are not making sense; protection has nothing to do with your opinion of the game; It's about protecting copyright.

hmm...you're right. but if you look at the other shmup that have been emulated and ask: why didn't they protect it and raiden did.

[Twiddle]

hopeless, all i can say. and to think it all started because i like the story more, and you just had to be the big man to tell me the rights and wrong and whatnot. I'm sure i'm not going to be the only one to tell you this but seriously: "get a life" and wake up instead of nitpicking others.

condescending post tone, maybe you need to examine your posting habits because there are numerous posters quantitatively more annoying than you by your standards but i don't seem to be bothered by them as much

and what is heck is a falsificare. its not in the dictionary, and certainly "weird" if its a shmup term.

it has an illustrious history on this forum

[Super Laydock]

and what is heck is a falsificare. its not in the dictionary, and certainly "weird" if its a shmup term.

It´s not in your dictionary because it isn´t English, but rather from a Latin deriving language.
Search for the word "falsified" (from "falsify") and you should get the idea.
It means being capable of being disproved.

[yojo!]

I like raiden, its a good game, but not good enough to the point where it deserves protection.

You are not making sense; protection has nothing to do with your opinion of the game; It's about protecting copyright.

hmm...you're right. but if you look at the other shmup that have been emulated and ask: why didn't they protect it and raiden did.

Why asking yourself this question ?. There could be a million answers. I'd rather play the game that thinking about that.

[VicViper_Mk2]

hopeless, all i can say. and to think it all started because i like the story more, and you just had to be the big man to tell me the rights and wrong and whatnot. I'm sure i'm not going to be the only one to tell you this but seriously: "get a life" and wake up instead of nitpicking others.

condescending post tone, maybe you need to examine your posting habits because there are numerous posters quantitatively more annoying than you by your standards but i don't seem to be bothered by them as much

and what is heck is a falsificare. its not in the dictionary, and certainly "weird" if its a shmup term.

it has an illustrious history on this forum

good for you...and don't try to make yourself look like you're better that most, in terms of annoying you're in there too, so speak for yourself.

this is ridiculous, i ask a legitimate question, and instead i get mocked for being weird. well sorrry for asking. sigh, there is no justice. Mods if you're reading this lock it fast, its served its purpose (actually it didn't but at this point i don't care anymore)

[themachinist]

Honestly it was a silly question . That's like asking why did "Author" get his "Book" published/copyright? I read it and it wasn't THAT good.

[Twiddle]

good for you...and don't try to make yourself look like you're better that most, in terms of annoying you're in there too, so speak for yourself.

I tried?

[VicViper_Mk2]

i don't even know why i bother.

are you done yet? if you're not and is just getting warmed up, feel free to continue. I'm just going to read, I'm done replying to these stupid things.

[Twiddle]

cake and grief counseling will be provided

[Hibou]

[...] i ask a legitimate question.

Let's say the question is somehow missing the main point (in my opinion).

I mean, protection is not implemented because devs thinks "this game is so good it will be pirated / bootlegged". Protection is implemented because the editor thinks "it's brand new, so people will want it, and a good part of them will try to get a pirate / bootleg version".

Do you remember the 16-bit computer times? There was a bunch of silly games back then, and a lot of them even didn't worth the empty floppy to copy the cracked version. In some case, the devs spent 3 months implementing the protection. Perhaps they would have sold more copies of the game if they had spent this time to develop a great game, who knows...

But on the other hand, a cracked version always showed up in no time. So, at least then, there was no real relation between a game's overall quality and the chances for it to be pirated. And so protections were just systematicaly implemented.

[yojo!]

Back in the days; cracking the proctection was more fun than playing the game itself.

[VicViper_Mk2]

now thats the kind of answers I'm looking for. thanks

The reason for the question is because seibu's games, most notably Raiden is protected, while games like thunderforce AC, aero fighters, etc are not, and why not. you think all the developers would be doing the same thing as seibu, but no. so whats their reason.

[Mortificator]

I only play shooters to turn the number up top into a bigger number.

[mcgeezer]

Back in the days; cracking the proctection was more fun than playing the game itself.

Yeah, Dungeon Master took a fair while to crack though.

[Macaw]

I only play shooters to turn the number up top into a bigger number.

What if your playing Air Duel!?

Or Gun Frontier!?

[Ex-Cyber]

now thats the kind of answers I'm looking for. thanks

The reason for the question is because seibu's games, most notably Raiden is protected, while games like thunderforce AC, aero fighters, etc are not, and why not. you think all the developers would be doing the same thing as seibu, but no. so whats their reason.

Protection schemes take time, money, and effort to develop, and different people/companies have different views about how much effort is worthwhile. Some companies just assume that their game will be bootlegged regardless of any protection they put in and see any protection measure as a waste of money. Some companies might think they're so clever that they can come up with an "unbreakable" scheme. Others might not think that but think that they can still delay bootleggers enough to sell their own production run without interference. For some games the cost/availability of the system hardware itself was probably enough of a disincentive to would-be bootleggers.

A funny aside to this is that the Taito Legends collections reportedly use bootleg versions of the protected games, presumably because Taito no longer has the original protection code...