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How many shmups could you (have) vote(d) for in the annual poll?

<25
8
42%
25-100
8
42%
101-250
2
11%
251-500
0
No votes
500+
1
5%
 
Total votes: 19

Veracity
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How many shmups could you vote for?

Post by Veracity »

While we eagerly await the announcement of what's almost as good as Dodonpachi this year, I thought I'd pursue a vaguely interesting related question: how many shmups are you qualified to vote for? Guidelines:
So what constitutes "widely and deeply experienced"? That's impossible to truly quantify, but as a general guideline: voters should be familiar with nearly all (95+%) of the games on previous years' top 25 lists. Furthermore, they should be equally familiar with nearly as many (90+%) of the shmups on previous years' honorable mention lists. And, to the extent that other games voters have listed are available, would-be voters should be familiar with 50%-65+% of those games, as well.

And what constitutes "familiar"? Basically, having played it enough to understand the gameplay mechanisms that make it unique, and/or fun and/or historically important and/or any number of other things you might take as helping define "top."
Hopefully the brackets I've used are meaningful - if not, well, never mind. I'm firmly in '<25', which is unsurprising considering I'm only casually into the genre, but I was still quite shocked by the breadth of experience ideally expected of voters. I'm interested in responses from non-voters as well as voters, obviously.

Part of the issue is probably the somewhat vague definition of 'familiar'. I'd hesitate to claim familiarity with anything I've not at least cleared (ignoring loops), but some allowance has to be made for games one simply doesn't like - how long do you need to've played something with mechanics that make you want to throw pointy objects at the designers before dismissing it? At the opposite extreme, how well should you remember something you know you once played to death? There's some easy Gradius-eque game that's the only shooter of it's sort I ever learned to the extent I was one-lifing consistently and wound up looking for ways to make it spawn extra 1ups for points to squeeze a last bit of longevity out of it. I certainly knew that backwards at some point, but don't even remember what it was called any more.

Anyhow, there's a lot of room for interpretation here, and it's obviously quite relevant - I just wanted to note I'm interested in how many games people consider themselves qualified on according to their own interpretation, not someone else's standards. People's take on the familiarity question would be interesting, but hopefully we can refrain from e-peen confrontation about it.
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Post by PROMETHEUS »

I didn't vote because there are only around 10 shooters I really like myself, and I don't even know as much as 25.

But man I wish Dodonpachi stays 1st. It's da best !! :D :D !
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Post by Rob »

PROMETHEUS wrote:and I don't even know as much as 25.
It all makes sense now.
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Post by PROMETHEUS »

^^ Rob is pissed from the other conversation ^^

I still got a very good idea of what's good about shmups and how they work even if I know only 20 or so, I don't feel like you're more right because you know 10 times as much xD
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Post by Circa2113 »

I'd say 30-40.
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Post by PFG 9000 »

I'm up around 90-100, but I've only played maybe 40 of those well enough to really judge them. Which is why I didn't vote. How can you say what's the best of a genre when you've experienced roughly 5% of all that genre has to offer? There's really only a handful of people here who are really qualified to rank these games, IMO.

Unless it's just a question of "From those shooters you've played, which do you like the most?" That changes things a bit.
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Re: How many shmups could you vote for?

Post by Rob »

Veracity wrote: how long do you need to've played something with mechanics that make you want to throw pointy objects at the designers before dismissing it?
This generally works for me as a bare minimum dismissal:

late 80s-early 90s shooters: 30 minutes to an hour
the more complicated mid 90s-present shooters: 2 hours +

The only top 25 game that gets the bare minimum treatment from me is ESP Ra.De. That game is not worthy.
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Post by PROMETHEUS »

PFG 9000 wrote:I'm up around 90-100, but I've only played maybe 40 of those well enough to really judge them. Which is why I didn't vote. How can you say what's the best of a genre when you've experienced roughly 5% of all that genre has to offer? There's really only a handful of people here who are really qualified to rank these games, IMO.

Unless it's just a question of "From those shooters you've played, which do you like the most?" That changes things a bit.
Yeah, that's why I don't vote, I don't know enough different shmups to make a fair ranking of the top25 all-time best shmups.

However, having played several different games for 30, 50, sometimes 200hours, I think I got a very good idea of what is interesting about shmups and can discuss and judge each of them. Which is why mr. Rob doesn't make much sense when he says :
Rob wrote:
PROMETHEUS wrote:and I don't even know as much as 25.
It all makes sense now.
... refering to the Psikyo vs Cave thread.
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Post by Sonic R »

I OWN over 140+ shoot them up games with a small percent of them borderline games.

When I make my list I write down on paper my favorite game and I write down almost 50. These games are my favorite game - the ones that I am coming back to and playing for all times for ever.

The truth about my 'TOP 25' list on shmups.com was I only submit vote for old classic game because all is on the list anymore is morden games. They will get enough vote and nobody got love for classic plastic no more :cry: I enjoy shoot them up for the concept they once was long ago. Now a days it is just score em ups. Score is cool but sometime it really take away from the game.

As of late I play Radirgy - this is pure score em up. For gains you are not even shoot. Using shield to build multiplyer as well as abs barrier and use sword to recover the barrier guage.

I am also playing Trigger Heart Exilica and the gimmick for gains is to master anchor and swing. Just play game for shooting and everyone here cry blasphemy!

Any way who am I to recommend game when I am the suck? I just played for fun. My vote is for olden days games to balance everyone else vote for Cave and Psikyo.
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Post by Arvandor »

Sonic R wrote:Now a days it is just score em ups. Score is cool but sometime it really take away from the game.
Simple solution. Don't score. Dodonpachi DAI OU JOU plays completely different when you're not playing for score, and kicks the junk out of all the old school shooters IMHO.
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Post by Sonic R »

Arvandor wrote:
Sonic R wrote:Now a days it is just score em ups. Score is cool but sometime it really take away from the game.
Simple solution. Don't score. Dodonpachi DAI OU JOU plays completely different when you're not playing for score, and kicks the junk out of all the old school shooters IMHO.
Oh beleive me I do :wink:

I could post all kind of score for :lol: 's

I still find maximum enjoyment in old shoot them up's. It just the grumpy old man in me I guess. I do like new style games. I like them much but still find fun with all that is old fashion. I like them all!
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Post by CMoon »

I have no clue why this is a survey.

I've also moved to non-voting status, not because I haven't played a good number of shooters (I have), but I just don't see it mattering so much anymore. Honestly there's too much orthodoxy when it comes to shooting games anyway. Do so many people really like RSG that much???

Play what you like, don't play what you don't like. Who cares what other people think?

(that and I'm pissed batsugun never wins...)
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Post by Rob »

I'd rather see regulars vote than people just passing by BUT DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE CMOON. :x
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Post by Herr Schatten »

CMoon wrote:Do so many people really like RSG that much???
I know I don't.
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Post by jp »

Rob wrote:I'd rather see regulars vote than people just passing by BUT DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE CMOON. :x

This man is very smart. I think everyone ever should listen to him.


At any rate, I only really like about... 50 or so shmups. So... yeah.
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Post by fixjuxa »

I didn't vote because A) I just found this place not too long ago and I didn't want to ruffle people's feathers by making them wonder "who the hell are you and why are you voting for Bangai-O...that's not a shmup?!" and B)I haven't played a lot of the games that are on the top of the list like Dodonpachi or many of the arcade games (I hate dicking around with emulators and never really spent much time in arcades). Hell, I haven't even played half the games in more popular franchises like Gradius. Though I have played all the R-Type games...I think.

To address the poll question:

I could have voted for more than 25 shmups but I probably would've had all kinds of games on my list that more experienced players would never have. Stuff like Legendary Wings for the NES or River Raid for the Atari.
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