I'm mostly looking to get a few Cave PCBs, such as ESPGaluda, Ibara, Dodonpachi, etc. I may either one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERGUN-Set-MAK-Ne ... dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ultimate-Jamma-PCB- ... otohosting
That price is pretty insane on the second one, but I just got my tax return today so I've got quite a bit of extra money. I may buy the cheaper one, but the more expensive one already has controllers which is awesome.
So, I play my games on an old composite TV with only a yellow video and white audio plug. Will this suit my needs? Either one of them?
Will this supergun play most Jamma PCBs?
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xghostsniperx
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You need to do some reading, they are not even close in some cases. Some games can only be played via this route (Ketsui). Also its a personal as well as a financial choice. This part of shmupping can get quite expensive. Just to get started is gonna set you back close to a grand for a decent SG and a good PCB.
Off topic, anyone familiar with that SG that snaps right to the PCB, cool concept, but is it any good, and what about that MAS Supernova?
Off topic, anyone familiar with that SG that snaps right to the PCB, cool concept, but is it any good, and what about that MAS Supernova?
Iron Maiden: "It was dead, but alive at the same time."
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I've been reading about PCBs and Superguns for quite awhile now, and it simply gets more confusing the more I read. It doesn't help that the search function is not able to search thread titles, making it tough to find information. It's not like there's a "PCB/Supergun FAQ" out there either, at least not one that is complete, cohesive, and in simple language.lawnspic wrote:You need to do some reading, they are not even close in some cases. Some games can only be played via this route (Ketsui). Also its a personal as well as a financial choice. This part of shmupping can get quite expensive. Just to get started is gonna set you back close to a grand for a decent SG and a good PCB.
Off topic, anyone familiar with that SG that snaps right to the PCB, cool concept, but is it any good, and what about that MAS Supernova?
Really, it's not like everyone has been collecting PCBs for years. I just don't have the knowledge yet.
search some of my previous threads, i asked questions about superguns and its all clear to me now. The only thing holding me back is the fact that some games are verticle(tate mode) and i have a 260lb. 36in. Sony Wega HD TV, and thats out of the question. Plus i cant stand the fact that the delicate PCB's are exposed, unless you custom build an encloser. Good luck
Iron Maiden: "It was dead, but alive at the same time."
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a big difference between pcb's and ps2 ports. 240p vs 480i. But then again I tend to get surprised alot.xghostsniperx wrote:Nevermind, a shmupper here informed me via AIM that I'd be better off economically staying with consoles since composite with a PCB basically looks the same as composite with a console.
Grab a good soldering iron for ~$15-20
A spool of solder for $5
A pair of wire strippers and wire cutters (scissors will do for thinner wires) for $3
And start learning to stick the wires together with solder.
Once you can do that, you know enough to build a supergun and gamepads/joysticks yourself.
http://aspspider.org/gctien/mods/Sg3.aspx
This is one of the cheaper superguns I made. Looking at the parts list, I think it cost around $25 or $30 in parts. But still lacking controllers and RGB encoder. Keep reading...
http://aspspider.org/gctien/mods/SgControllers.aspx
Genesis 6-button pads are the cheap and effective solution. Might cost you $10 each in parts including the pad.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=7854
BulletMagnet has his shmups glossary, and this is my baby thread. The RGB encoder could be the most expensive part of a DIY supergun if you want to use a commercial encoder such as JROK or Neobitz. Here's how to make your own for PEANUTS, using a Playstation or a Genesis. Saturn will also work, but they tend to cost more.
Finally, you need a TV that you don't mind turning over on its side. Maybe you have one already. If not, just go to the flea market and get some old CRT for $40 or so.
And the games. Some great older Toaplan games around $90-$150, Batrider running under $100 sometimes, and even Cave games such as ESP RaDe are very nicely priced at $150 or so. NeoGeo MVS is another good choice with motherboards under $100 sometimes, and then games at $25-$80 except for the rarer ones.
So, if you have the determination to learn to DIY, then $300 and a weekend or two of work will be enough to be playing PCBs 2-player on a tilted television. If you were ready to spend a grand like lawnspic said, that's $700 left over to buy more games!
Sure, the workmanship won't be professional, but there's a different satisfaction to DIY. Especially if something breaks, you know how to fix it.
In fact, if things that are not your supergun break, you can fix those too. That's the best part about knowing how to solder. Hell, even if they're NOT broken, you can do all sorts of crazy things to them.
A spool of solder for $5
A pair of wire strippers and wire cutters (scissors will do for thinner wires) for $3
And start learning to stick the wires together with solder.
Once you can do that, you know enough to build a supergun and gamepads/joysticks yourself.
http://aspspider.org/gctien/mods/Sg3.aspx
This is one of the cheaper superguns I made. Looking at the parts list, I think it cost around $25 or $30 in parts. But still lacking controllers and RGB encoder. Keep reading...
http://aspspider.org/gctien/mods/SgControllers.aspx
Genesis 6-button pads are the cheap and effective solution. Might cost you $10 each in parts including the pad.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=7854
BulletMagnet has his shmups glossary, and this is my baby thread. The RGB encoder could be the most expensive part of a DIY supergun if you want to use a commercial encoder such as JROK or Neobitz. Here's how to make your own for PEANUTS, using a Playstation or a Genesis. Saturn will also work, but they tend to cost more.
Finally, you need a TV that you don't mind turning over on its side. Maybe you have one already. If not, just go to the flea market and get some old CRT for $40 or so.
And the games. Some great older Toaplan games around $90-$150, Batrider running under $100 sometimes, and even Cave games such as ESP RaDe are very nicely priced at $150 or so. NeoGeo MVS is another good choice with motherboards under $100 sometimes, and then games at $25-$80 except for the rarer ones.
So, if you have the determination to learn to DIY, then $300 and a weekend or two of work will be enough to be playing PCBs 2-player on a tilted television. If you were ready to spend a grand like lawnspic said, that's $700 left over to buy more games!
Sure, the workmanship won't be professional, but there's a different satisfaction to DIY. Especially if something breaks, you know how to fix it.
In fact, if things that are not your supergun break, you can fix those too. That's the best part about knowing how to solder. Hell, even if they're NOT broken, you can do all sorts of crazy things to them.
Nice post, i can solder, very tempting. Do you have intstrucions or just pics of your work. Also D-lite over at NeoGeo has not finished his tut yet, so we SG noobs would need some direction in that departmentiatneH wrote:Grab a good soldering iron for ~$15-20
A spool of solder for $5
A pair of wire strippers and wire cutters (scissors will do for thinner wires) for $3
And start learning to stick the wires together with solder.
Once you can do that, you know enough to build a supergun and gamepads/joysticks yourself.
http://aspspider.org/gctien/mods/Sg3.aspx
This is one of the cheaper superguns I made. Looking at the parts list, I think it cost around $25 or $30 in parts. But still lacking controllers and RGB encoder. Keep reading...
http://aspspider.org/gctien/mods/SgControllers.aspx
Genesis 6-button pads are the cheap and effective solution. Might cost you $10 each in parts including the pad.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=7854
BulletMagnet has his shmups glossary, and this is my baby thread. The RGB encoder could be the most expensive part of a DIY supergun if you want to use a commercial encoder such as JROK or Neobitz. Here's how to make your own for PEANUTS, using a Playstation or a Genesis. Saturn will also work, but they tend to cost more.
Finally, you need a TV that you don't mind turning over on its side. Maybe you have one already. If not, just go to the flea market and get some old CRT for $40 or so.
And the games. Some great older Toaplan games around $90-$150, Batrider running under $100 sometimes, and even Cave games such as ESP RaDe are very nicely priced at $150 or so. NeoGeo MVS is another good choice with motherboards under $100 sometimes, and then games at $25-$80 except for the rarer ones.
So, if you have the determination to learn to DIY, then $300 and a weekend or two of work will be enough to be playing PCBs 2-player on a tilted television. If you were ready to spend a grand like lawnspic said, that's $700 left over to buy more games!
Sure, the workmanship won't be professional, but there's a different satisfaction to DIY. Especially if something breaks, you know how to fix it.
In fact, if things that are not your supergun break, you can fix those too. That's the best part about knowing how to solder. Hell, even if they're NOT broken, you can do all sorts of crazy things to them.
Iron Maiden: "It was dead, but alive at the same time."
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I appreciate the advice, but I'm still completely lost. Yea, I understand the equpiment I need, but I don't think it would be smart to just start randomly soldering stuff together. On every forum I go to to ask about Superguns--people give the same advice, but no one actually tells HOW to make it. Yes, I realize I have to solder wires together or to a board or something, but I need information like where, how, and what.iatneH wrote:Grab a good soldering iron for ~$15-20
A spool of solder for $5
A pair of wire strippers and wire cutters (scissors will do for thinner wires) for $3
And start learning to stick the wires together with solder.
Once you can do that, you know enough to build a supergun and gamepads/joysticks yourself.
http://aspspider.org/gctien/mods/Sg3.aspx
This is one of the cheaper superguns I made. Looking at the parts list, I think it cost around $25 or $30 in parts. But still lacking controllers and RGB encoder. Keep reading...
http://aspspider.org/gctien/mods/SgControllers.aspx
Genesis 6-button pads are the cheap and effective solution. Might cost you $10 each in parts including the pad.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=7854
BulletMagnet has his shmups glossary, and this is my baby thread. The RGB encoder could be the most expensive part of a DIY supergun if you want to use a commercial encoder such as JROK or Neobitz. Here's how to make your own for PEANUTS, using a Playstation or a Genesis. Saturn will also work, but they tend to cost more.
Finally, you need a TV that you don't mind turning over on its side. Maybe you have one already. If not, just go to the flea market and get some old CRT for $40 or so.
And the games. Some great older Toaplan games around $90-$150, Batrider running under $100 sometimes, and even Cave games such as ESP RaDe are very nicely priced at $150 or so. NeoGeo MVS is another good choice with motherboards under $100 sometimes, and then games at $25-$80 except for the rarer ones.
So, if you have the determination to learn to DIY, then $300 and a weekend or two of work will be enough to be playing PCBs 2-player on a tilted television. If you were ready to spend a grand like lawnspic said, that's $700 left over to buy more games!
Sure, the workmanship won't be professional, but there's a different satisfaction to DIY. Especially if something breaks, you know how to fix it.
In fact, if things that are not your supergun break, you can fix those too. That's the best part about knowing how to solder. Hell, even if they're NOT broken, you can do all sorts of crazy things to them.
lawnspic: No instructions, but I just followed the diagrams on gamesx.
http://www.gamesx.com/arcade/cheapjamma.htm
So ghostsniper, that picture at the very bottom is what a supergun could look like! Just add controllers, power supply, and a monitor/speakers. And basically, that's what mine is. I've just enclosed some parts of mine inside a box.
The big colourful picture in the middle shows you what and where. The how comes from your soldering knowledge. You should be able to see that it's not all that complicated. Solder a wire straight from point A to point B, and do it 43 times.
I am guessing that D-Lite's tutorial would be more focused on making something that looks nice, whereas I'm more concerned with making something cheap. I don't try to make them ugly, but unfortunately minimizing cost but maximizing aesthetics is a NP-hard problem.
http://www.gamesx.com/arcade/cheapjamma.htm
So ghostsniper, that picture at the very bottom is what a supergun could look like! Just add controllers, power supply, and a monitor/speakers. And basically, that's what mine is. I've just enclosed some parts of mine inside a box.
The big colourful picture in the middle shows you what and where. The how comes from your soldering knowledge. You should be able to see that it's not all that complicated. Solder a wire straight from point A to point B, and do it 43 times.
I am guessing that D-Lite's tutorial would be more focused on making something that looks nice, whereas I'm more concerned with making something cheap. I don't try to make them ugly, but unfortunately minimizing cost but maximizing aesthetics is a NP-hard problem.
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First, iatneH, I just wanted to say thanks for trying to help.
But honestly, I'm just going to give up on this. After hours of searching, I cannot find a decent comprehensive guide. Sure, there are diagrams and pictures, but what if I don't know a ground wire from another wire? Most of those pictures are useless to me, since I don't know what a +5 V power supply is and I sure as hell wouldn't know where to get one.
I think the biggest problem with being a noob to this stuff is the amount of elitism on the internet. A decent amount of people familiar with this stuff simply assume others should know exactly what they are referring to. For example, I believe the author in the site you linked to said something like, "If you can't understand this connecting the dots picture, you should just go run into traffic". Yea, funny, but what if you don't know where to get those wires or what kind to get?
I guess I'm just a bit frustrated. I don't expect people to hold my hand through the process, but the general pretentious attitude of people surrounding arcade building is mind-blowing.
But honestly, I'm just going to give up on this. After hours of searching, I cannot find a decent comprehensive guide. Sure, there are diagrams and pictures, but what if I don't know a ground wire from another wire? Most of those pictures are useless to me, since I don't know what a +5 V power supply is and I sure as hell wouldn't know where to get one.
I think the biggest problem with being a noob to this stuff is the amount of elitism on the internet. A decent amount of people familiar with this stuff simply assume others should know exactly what they are referring to. For example, I believe the author in the site you linked to said something like, "If you can't understand this connecting the dots picture, you should just go run into traffic". Yea, funny, but what if you don't know where to get those wires or what kind to get?
I guess I'm just a bit frustrated. I don't expect people to hold my hand through the process, but the general pretentious attitude of people surrounding arcade building is mind-blowing.
I wouldn't get either of those two superguns you posted links to. The MAK one only has RGB output, and since you're in the USA that's probably not going to work for you. The MAS system Supernova one is a huge, laughable piece of garbage.
If you want a high quality, simple, easy, stress-free, console-like supergun experience, you should really get the newest Japanese Sigma supergun setup. It'll run a bit over $400 for the AV7000+ 9000TB controller shipped from Japan, but it's really worth it. After you have this all you do is get whatever game you want, and plug and play like any cartridge console system. Piece of cake, and top quality. You don't need to worry about your supergun frying an expensive board (as many homemade superguns can do), or any other technical probs. They pop up on yahoo.jp auctions a lot, if you use a bidding service like rinkya, you could get one for about $400 shipped if you get a decent price on the auction (around 30,000yen).
Another good alternative is getting a supergun from D-lite. Check out his www.multimods.com website for pics and info. You can contact him directly. I've had a D-lite gun in the past, and it was quite nice and easy to use.
If you want a high quality, simple, easy, stress-free, console-like supergun experience, you should really get the newest Japanese Sigma supergun setup. It'll run a bit over $400 for the AV7000+ 9000TB controller shipped from Japan, but it's really worth it. After you have this all you do is get whatever game you want, and plug and play like any cartridge console system. Piece of cake, and top quality. You don't need to worry about your supergun frying an expensive board (as many homemade superguns can do), or any other technical probs. They pop up on yahoo.jp auctions a lot, if you use a bidding service like rinkya, you could get one for about $400 shipped if you get a decent price on the auction (around 30,000yen).
Another good alternative is getting a supergun from D-lite. Check out his www.multimods.com website for pics and info. You can contact him directly. I've had a D-lite gun in the past, and it was quite nice and easy to use.
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It'll probably run more than that. I don't know what the conversion rate is, but it's 36,000yen for the set, and your probably gonna want an S-Video cable. That's 38,000 yen. Shipping to the US, if memory serves, is about 10,000 yen. So, you're up to 48,000 before anyone running the errand gets their piece. Mind you, this stuff is heavy. I think minimum finder's fee here would be $50 USD.It'll run a bit over $400 for the AV7000+ 9000TB controller shipped from Japan
Worth it? Fuck yes.
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Yeah, I was talking about getting a used one on yahoo.jp auctions. Just saw a mint boxed set go for 30,000 yen (with composite & s-video cables, and Jamma harness). Using rinkya the total with shipping would be a bit over $400. Of course they don't pop up every day, so if you want one right away (and particularly if you want a new one), then you're right you'll need to hire someone in Japan to buy one and ship it out to you, and that'll run closer to $500 probably.