So I bought a new tv..

[Arznei]

And component cables for my PS2. And now all 2D games look.. well.. extremely sharp. Also I'm not used to the size.. going from 21" to 29" straight away makes me feel really weird. Like I shouldn't be sitting too close or something like that.. is there anyway of making the picture look better? I am so used to doujin shmups now that look crystal clear on PC that playing dai ou jou like this is really awful.

[Ceph]

Tate? RGB?

I'm using a 21-inch (dedicated tate) TV & RGB for playing DDP DOJ and it looks brilliant.

[angrycoder]

And component cables for my PS2. And now all 2D games look.. well.. extremely sharp. Also I'm not used to the size.. going from 21" to 29" straight away makes me feel really weird. Like I shouldn't be sitting too close or something like that.. is there anyway of making the picture look better? I am so used to doujin shmups now that look crystal clear on PC that playing dai ou jou like this is really awful.

Use S-Video or composite cables. That will make the picture softer.

[Ceph]

Use S-Video or composite cables. That will make the picture softer.

Yes, or use a brick and smack your head with it; that may also help to make the picture worse. Rinse and repeat until the picture quality fits your taste.

[bay]

Use S-Video or composite cables. That will make the picture softer.

Yes, or use a brick and smack your head with it; that may also help to make the picture worse. Rinse and repeat until the picture quality fits your taste.

YMMV

[Arznei]

This tv doesn't have s-video, only composite and component. I can't tate it, it's 100 pounds.

[Ceph]

I can't tate it, it's 100 pounds.

Stop being such a wuss

Jokes aside, if you want the best possible picture for DOJ (and most other verts), then play it in tate. Maybe you should get a cheap TV just for tate... 21'' CRT TVs aren't expensive anymore.

[Arznei]

I can't tate it, it's 100 pounds.

Stop being such a wuss

Jokes aside, if you want the best possible picture for DOJ (and most other verts), then play it in tate. Maybe you should get a cheap TV just for tate... 21'' CRT TVs aren't expensive anymore.

I didn't buy a new tv just to turn around and purchase a smaller, cheaper one so I can play shooters in tate. There must be a way of playing them with better picture quality. What about an S-video PS2 cable to component? Is this possible?

[GaijinPunch]

My RGB Tv just arrived. Now waiting for the PS2, and RGb cable to play my PS2 stuff.

[Arznei]

So I'm basically ruined.

[rib]

get a wallmount with a pivot function.

[D]

What about an S-video PS2 cable to component? Is this possible?

Don't ever say that again.
There is a component cable for the PS2 http://www.shopping.com/xPO-Sony-Component-AV-Cable

Good luck

[Strider77]

What about an S-video PS2 cable to component? Is this possible?

why in the world would you ever do this? just get a component cable like the member above said.

is this a standard deffinition or HD TV? if it's a standard deffinition tv and you using component cords for your PS2 it should look the best you've seen it as. unless you bought a total POS TV. what brand, size, and price was the tv?

Yes, or use a brick and smack your head with it; that may also help to make the picture worse. Rinse and repeat until the picture quality fits your taste.

this is very possible also.....

[Arznei]

why in the world would you ever do this? just get a component cable like the member above said.

is this a standard deffinition or HD TV? if it's a standard deffinition tv and you using component cords for your PS2 it should look the best you've seen it as. unless you bought a total POS TV. what brand, size, and price was the tv?

And component cables for my PS2. And now all 2D games look.. well.. extremely sharp.

People don't seem to be listening here. I have third party component cables for my PS2. I'm not in a position to change my tv into a vertical tate mode.

The picture appears really, really sharp. I don't like it. It's more colorful, yes, but aside from that there isn't anything else going for it. It makes 3D games look really good, but aside from that, 2D games just fail on component.

My tv is a 29 inch panasonic SDTV. Here's a picture of it:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9360 ... 0a2mm6.jpg

[elvis]

Too sharp???

Go back to composite. Better yet, get a composite->RF converter from a local electronics shop and really give your eyes an uppercut.

[Arznei]

Thanks. That helps so much.

Just strengthening my reasons not to post here.

[elvis]

Look, apologies for the sarcasm, but I'm not sure what you want.

You've used a cable that gives you a good quality picture, and you don't like that picture. All I can suggest is to change the settings on your television.

I have an 80cm (32") TV with YCrCb component in. The picture is sharp, and I love it. My missus hates it. When she watches a DVD she turns the sharpness of the TV down via the unit's picture controls. Luckily for the both of us the TV has user-customisable modes which we can program into the TV. That way whenever one of us use the TV, it's just a matter of hitting a button and the settings are there.

People rant and rave about different brands of cables, but I personally don't see a difference. The YCrCb out from a PS2 is an analogue signal, and you're going to see 1% quality difference over $10 cables compared to $100 cables. So I honestly don't think it's the cable itself.

So, asides from adjusting your TV or going back to composite out, there's not a whole lot you can do to change the picture quality. Again, I'm not sure what sort of answer you wanted or were expecting, but there's no silver bullet to tune a TV to the exact perfect picture according to your brain.

[Strider77]

agree totally with above.... this is deffinately one of the more bizzare posts I've read no offense.

if u can't adjust the picture to your liking or go back to composite and be happy with that picture.... either by a new tv or learn to deal with it. did you not like the way arcade monitor made games look?

[Arznei]

I love the way arcade monitors look, except they don't look as sharp as this. My sharpness is currently on 0% and there's nothing else in the settings I can do to adjust the appearance of the picture which is displayed from component.

I don't mind component, but since I don't have the ability to change my television to a sideways position I'm beginning to think it's really difficult to play in yoko. Unfortunately there isn't much I can do about this since I pretty much bought this tv as an impulse buy. I still really like the tv, but I don't know what to do when it comes to shmups and playing them.

[ArrogantBastard]

Hilarious.

[Ken]

Don't play 2 D games and retro on Plasma, just use CRT with RGB.

[freddiebamboo]

Yoko will look bad no matter what cables/tv you are using.

Your best bet is to buy a cheap brand 20" and make it a tated permanently. Even crap TVs will look the business on tate with RGB.

[Arznei]

Hilarious.

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Don't play 2 D games and retro on Plasma, just use CRT with RGB.

Yoko will look bad no matter what cables/tv you are using.

Your best bet is to buy a cheap brand 20" and make it a tated permanently. Even crap TVs will look the business on tate with RGB.

Hey look! Advice! Maybe you should gtfo or try it sometime you ignorant bleeding shit?

Anyway, all trolls aside, I'll hunt down a cheap 21" tv. I don't know if I can get one with component though. Most of the time I've seen under 25"'s with composite and that's it. Maybe one of the lesser known brands has a type of tv but I don't mind.

Then again I do have a spare monitor on hand. 19" which I could permanently tate. I'd need to get a VGA adapter for PS2 though.

[ArrogantBastard]

lmao

[elvis]

I love the way arcade monitors look, except they don't look as sharp as this. My sharpness is currently on 0% and there's nothing else in the settings I can do to adjust the appearance of the picture which is displayed from component.

Remember that arcade monitors show low-res progressive scan modes. Due to this, the mode gets scanlines. Scanlines are literally the missing lines of information between the signal lines on a progressively displayed low-res picture.

It's already been mentioned, but it sounds to me like you're having frustration with the interlaced picture you see on your yoko setup. The console is drawing more lines than the TV can handle in one pass. What it does is draw the odd lines in one pass, and the even lines in the next. It then offsets each one by one line so that you don't get scanlines. (What would normally be a blank scanline is now signal for 1/2 the time).

This is called "interlacing", and is a method of passing more line data to the screen than usual. The idea is that in fast-moving higher resolution images like DVD and other video, the user won't notice the different frames being out of whack, and the overall experience is better as the picture is void of "ugly" scanlines (again, remember we are talking from inside the brains of movie watchers here, and not gamers).

For low res stuff, the image becomes flickery and in the case of 2D, scaled and generally ugly.

Again, as mentioned the only fix is to buy games that offer a proper low-res progressive scan mode. For shmups, this is usuallly available in tate mode (ESP Galuda and DoDonPachi Dai Ou Jou are two examples that offer a proper non-interlaced tate mode. The Treasure Box collection on PS2 offers interlaced and progressive modes via the setup menu for all games). A criticism of the Mushihime Sama home port for PS2 is that even in tate it is still interlaced, scaled and filtered, making it blurry, flickery and ugly compared to the arcade PCB. A statement I personally agree with.

So in vien of the posts already written, I suggest you find yourself a dedicated tate TV. One that takes RGB on YCrCb component in would be best.

(Side note: "component" merely means that signals are split, and refers to a wide range of signal types. Generally when people refer to component they mean YCrCb or YUV, which they should really say instead of just "component". No doubt I'll be flamed as usual for this comment for being too nerdy once again).

21" TVs here in Australia are cheap as crap. I regularly see units available for AU$120 with YCrCb component in, and all of them these days are multi-region (PAL/SECAM/NTSC) which means they are import-friendly. Buying a dedicated gaming TV will cost you about as much as a single game, and far less than your PS2 originally did.

I personally play all my PS2 games on RGB monitors, either standalone ones or actual arcade cabinets. Technically speaking a good quality TV with YCrCb in would be the same quality, but RGB is easy to hack so I work with it.

Then again I do have a spare monitor on hand. 19" which I could permanently tate. I'd need to get a VGA adapter for PS2 though.

Don't use a VGA monitor. You'll be back to square one. Your whole issue stems from the fact that you are using a low-res signal in an interlaced and scaled fashion. Scaling up a nice low-res progressive scan signal to high res will give you the "oversharp" issue all over again. Try to find a low res monitor/TV instead.

[ED-057]

Could it be the specific games that you are playing? There are some console ports of vertical oriented shmups which will look great in tate (because the console can match the resolution that the arcade PCB used), but will look like crap in yoko because it just rescales the picture to fit in a smaller number of lines.

You see, back in the 8~16bit days one could play a vert without any technical difficulties :p but with these new-fangled shmups I guess having an extra display which is turned on its side is unavoidable...

[Arznei]

Don't use a VGA monitor. You'll be back to square one. Your whole issue stems from the fact that you are using a low-res signal in an interlaced and scaled fashion. Scaling up a nice low-res progressive scan signal to high res will give you the "oversharp" issue all over again. Try to find a low res monitor/TV instead.

The only reason why I intended on getting a VGA adapter to play shooters on this monitor, is because I have the VGA adapter for Dreamcast. It looks really amazing for all games, not just shooters. I don't know why it wouldn't look the same for the PS2 games. I mean, if the Dreamcast is making games look so good through VGA, yet it was made before the PS2, uhh.. what?

[Icarus]

...if the Dreamcast is making games look so good through VGA, yet it was made before the PS2, uhh.. what?

Isn't that because the DC can output in native VGA using its adaptor, while the PS2 cannot (and needs some kind of adaptor to convert the signal, thus mangling the picture quality)?

[GaijinPunch]

Isn't that because the DC can output in native VGA using its adaptor, while the PS2 cannot (and needs some kind of adaptor to convert the signal, thus mangling the picture quality)?

This is correct. Only a handful of PS2 games support progressive mode. If you get a VGA adaptor, you are effectively upscanning it to play it on a 31khz display. It will look like a gigantic turd.

The Treasure Box collection on PS2 offers interlaced and progressive modes via the setup menu for all games). A criticism of the

This is apparently a feature of all the recent Sega Ages games, not just the Treasure Box.

[Ken]

Gamecube (import), Xbox, DC etc. have much better picture quality on component or vga because games are progressive scan (well on GC and Xbox anyway, for example press B on the GC controller to get progressive scan option, PS2 has other tricks but only a handfull games use it, like Tekken 5.). With the PS2 component on a component TV is OK, but it may need some tweaking here and there. X-RGB is also overrated for PS2. If you try to play PS2 on VGA with X-RGB it looks like absolute shite.