Extremely popular shmups you don't "get"

SockPuppetHyren · Post by **SockPuppetHyren** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:31 am

MR_Soren wrote: Einhander is probably the most popular shmup that I don't care much for. It just never does anything for me. However, that game seems more popular outside of the shmup community. I don't hear much praise for it here.

This.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:48 am

Arvandor wrote:Fuck rank.

But DoDonPachi has it.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:31 pm

Batsugun, Radiant Silvergun and Radirgy.

I feel totally raped when playing Batsugun*, bored when playing Radiant Silvergun and confused when playing Radirgy.

*Just played the arcade-version in MAME.

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:25 pm

Batsugun's is an almost orgasmic experience for me. The special version anyway.

I don't get the love for the Raiden and 1945 series.

ChurchOfSolipsism · Post by **ChurchOfSolipsism** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:53 pm

Zebra Airforce wrote:
Also, Cave doesn't burn Jews
Nazi comparisons = I'm a 14 year old going through puberty argument. Please grow up and learn not to have shitty taste (enjoy your cave games where it doesn't matter where enemies appear because they die instantly to your enormous spread shot).

I don't want to piss the mods of this place off again as they seem to be pretty nice people, so I'm just gonna ignore that. Please don't talk to me again, thanks.

Good to see that people can discuss different points without resorting to name calling, mostly at least.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:06 pm

Arvandor wrote:Fuck rank.

So I guess you don't like Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, Dodonpachi, Dodonpachi Daioujou, Samidare, etc?

Garegga's way out of my league. I just prefer nice, complicated bullet hell without worrying about destroying certain particles of an enemy ship in a rhythmic sequence while tapping shot 0.8 seconds apart after selecting a ship by pressing A B and C at the same time.

ChurchOfSolipsism wrote:Good to see that people can discuss different points without resorting to name calling, mostly at least.

How about you try making a better "monkey see, monkey do" analogy without declaring how much you're a racist? Toodles.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:28 pm

Jockel wrote:I feel totally raped when playing Batsugun*

As KG mentioned, have you tried the Special version? It's a ways easier than the regular one, at least just for getting through the initial loop.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:28 pm

moozooh wrote:
Arvandor wrote:Fuck rank.
But DoDonPachi has it.

Not really. I mean, yeah, but it basically doesn't matter.

SFKhoa · Post by **SFKhoa** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:17 pm

Any Psikyo game for me. :/

LtC · Post by **LtC** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:29 pm

Arvandor wrote:Fuck rank.

Yeah it was so much better when I didn't know such a thing existed. I managed to 1cc several games with rank and I never even suspected anything was different even if I went past same boss with no miss or no lives left :/. Now I'm more mentally prepared to die when I get to a boss with high rank, I guess it's bit of stupid when I should actually just be focusing on going past the boss than worrying about rank making the boss too hard.

Elixir wrote:So I guess you don't like Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, Dodonpachi, Dodonpachi Daioujou, Samidare, etc?

wait. wait... wait...... Samidare has rank?

Observer · Post by **Observer** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:38 pm

LtC wrote:
Arvandor wrote:Fuck rank.
Yeah it was so much better when I didn't know such a thing existed. I managed to 1cc several games with rank and I never even suspected anything was different even if I went past same boss with no miss or no lives left :/. Now I'm more mentally prepared to die when I get to a boss with high rank, I guess it's bit of stupid when I should actually just be focusing on going past the boss than worrying about rank making the boss too hard.

Elixir wrote:So I guess you don't like Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, Dodonpachi, Dodonpachi Daioujou, Samidare, etc?
wait. wait... wait...... Samidare has rank?

Probably related to the speed of the bullets more than anything else? I didn't notice it then, I just religiously tried to survive across the wtfbbqtastic barrages.

By the way, RebRank released a story/manual preview thing about Samidare.

I don't mind rank though.

Actually, the only schmukmup I can never get after clearing it a couple of times and even recording each chapter is Protöthea for PC =P (avoid the Wii version like the plague)

Keyboard+mouse+inertia+your-ship-is-your-hitbox+life bar+enemies attacking from all directions+ground targets ala Xevious+bullet time mode.

TheWalkingDude · Post by **TheWalkingDude** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:45 pm

I also have to admit that I don't really enjoy Garegga all that much. It's certainly quite fun when everything is going well, but as soon as you screw something (read: anything) up, it's a royal pain to start over (medal chain, etc.) while the rank raises exponentially. That being said, I do enjoy Batrider's normal mode (Haven't played Bakraid yet.) Also, I harbor much hate for Raycrisis and its unkillable bosses (Seriously, they take way too many hits to kill), U.N Squadron (To think I actually listned to what the Screwattack guys had to say. For shame!) and Axelay's vertical scrolling stages. Also, I'm not such a big fan of Gradius Gaiden. Maybe it's simply because I suck at it, but Gradius Syndrome is just too big a turn-off for me to play it more often.

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:36 pm

I don't really get Esp.Ra.De. and I don't understand all the fuss behind it. Guess it's the same with all the old Caves, besides Donpachi.
But Galuda II is awesome.

zero.otaku · Post by **zero.otaku** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:40 pm

I like pretty much every game that's been mentioned on here, and I like them all quite a bit except for one:

Mushihimesama. It's not that I *dislike* it, but it just seems like it's so wildly popular among both Can nuts and non-fans alike and it's actually my least favorite in their catalogue. I dunno.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:35 am

Twin Hawk. It's fun and probably deserves a lot of the hype it gets, but it seems a bit... slow paced, especially compared to other Toaplan shooters like Truxton or Fire Shark. I don't know if it's a sequel to Fighting Hawk or not (seems like it), but I preferred that game's pacing a little better. At the very least, it's my least favorite of Toaplan shooters, and I've enjoyed everyone of those I've played.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:23 am

Arvandor wrote:Fuck rank.

Elixir wrote:So I guess you don't like Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, Dodonpachi, Dodonpachi Daioujou, Samidare, etc?

But DoDonPachi has it.

Maybe I should have put a qualifier on it for the slow of thought. Fuck rank that forces you to suicide to clear the game. I don't even mind rank if it's tied in with the scoring so much, but if it's impossible to beat the game without dying, then something is seriously wrong.

And don't give me that BS about low score low powerup one-life runs. The hoops you have to jump through (mostly NOT shooting things) is even worse than suiciding to survive. I'm there to blow stuff up, and I'll be damned if stuff isn't going to be blowing up (preferably NOT me).

Not to say that Garegga's system isn't geniously strategic and masterfully executed (outside of the close tie in to late-game survival), it's just that it's very counter-intuitive and frustrating. It's simply not fun. I don't enjoy running my precious lives into things to keep the game playable at stage 6 and beyond. I find it to be just plain retarded.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:21 am

zero.otaku wrote:I like pretty much every game that's been mentioned on here, and I like them all quite a bit except for one:

Mushihimesama. It's not that I *dislike* it, but it just seems like it's so wildly popular among both Can nuts and non-fans alike and it's actually my least favorite in their catalogue. I dunno.

Even Ibara?

Avist Torch · Post by **Avist Torch** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:18 am

Oh yeah, that's one more: Samidare. I really don't like the design of the game, the patterns are bleh, and the playstyle feels boring. It's not really all that popular, but I thought I'd mention it. I feel that's one of the best examples of how NOT to design a shmup based around shielding.

GrimoreLibrarian · Post by **GrimoreLibrarian** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:33 am

I don't get what makes TouHou games so godly... godly. They're a decent indipendant game. The hard core TouHou fans can go to hell and take their freaky fetishes with them. Half naked lolis with dicks sucking each others arm pits is not mentally right.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:29 am

captpain wrote:Not really. I mean, yeah, but it basically doesn't matter.

Right… >_>

Chi_Ryu · Post by **Chi_Ryu** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:05 am

Sonic R wrote:
zero.otaku wrote:I like pretty much every game that's been mentioned on here, and I like them all quite a bit except for one:

Mushihimesama. It's not that I *dislike* it, but it just seems like it's so wildly popular among both Can nuts and non-fans alike and it's actually my least favorite in their catalogue. I dunno.
Even Ibara?

Mushihimesama is my least favourite Cave shooter, too (I like Futari a lot, but never got on with the original, and ended up selling it recently).

Ibara is one of my favourites. I guess Ibara is a bit like Marmite (UK reference, sorry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite) in that most people seem to either love it or hate it.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:13 am

moozooh wrote:
captpain wrote:Not really. I mean, yeah, but it basically doesn't matter.
Right… >_>

I don't know if you're agreeing or what, but I can tell you it's not something you ever have to think about or deal with, and is in no way a focal point of the game.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:16 am

im too stupid to play mushihimesama maniac/ultra.. i just cant get the hang of how the scoring system works, ive read a thousand guides and played it to death but it just wont work for me

nice game otherwise tho.

two other games i dont get are dangun feveron (a BAD game plain and simple) and ESPgaluda 2 (excellent game but scoresystem sucks)..

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:26 am

captpain wrote:I don't know if you're agreeing or what, but I can tell you it's not something you ever have to think about or deal with, and is in no way a focal point of the game.

It's not a focal point, sure, but the difference in bullet density can go almost twofold from lowest rank to highest. I mean it. I can't help but think about it when I realize it's becoming way too dangerous to try going through bullet streams on stage 5, and bombing galore it boecomes.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:50 am

The Darius series.

I like the series and all... own a few. but when the time comes to be really honest..... I don't see much of anything memorable other than fish, odd/memorable music and the branching.

The gameplay is about as basic as they come....

Like I said I own 2 and gaiden and want to pic up G, but I don't see what all the fuss is really other than a classic game that deserves to be noted on a timeline.

Trigger Heart and Trizeal on the other hand..... they are complete garbage to me and don't see why anyone loves them. it blows my mind that folks are shelling out so much cash of the THE port on PS2, especially considering you don't even get 480p like the DC port.... I could care less about voice crap ect added to it.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:42 pm

Strider77 wrote: Like I said I own 2 and gaiden and want to pic up G, but I don't see what all the fuss is really other than a classic game that deserves to be noted on a timeline.

Though I agree about the Darius games for the msot part, G is a lot different than the others in the series.

ChurchOfSolipsism · Post by **ChurchOfSolipsism** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:04 pm

Elixir wrote:
ChurchOfSolipsism wrote:Good to see that people can discuss different points without resorting to name calling, mostly at least.
How about you try making a better "monkey see, monkey do" analogy without declaring how much you're a racist? Toodles.

Is this worth talking about?

Although I would like to hear what makes you think I am a racist... is it just sloppy thinking on your part or are you more of a simple nature? Those of your posts I have read so far make me believe it's the former...

zero.otaku wrote:I like pretty much every game that's been mentioned on here, and I like them all quite a bit except for one:

Mushihimesama. It's not that I *dislike* it, but it just seems like it's so wildly popular among both Can nuts and non-fans alike and it's actually my least favorite in their catalogue. I dunno.

Yeah I agree... although I've only played the PS2 version. It just doesn't click.

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:09 pm

SFKhoa wrote:Any Psikyo game for me. :/

Even ZG2?

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:16 pm

ChurchOfSolipsism wrote:
Elixir wrote:
ChurchOfSolipsism wrote:Good to see that people can discuss different points without resorting to name calling, mostly at least.
How about you try making a better "monkey see, monkey do" analogy without declaring how much you're a racist? Toodles.
Is this worth talking about? Although I would like to hear what makes you think I am a racist... is it just sloppy thinking on your part or are you more of a simple nature? Those of your posts I have read so far make me believe it's the former...

No, I'm not simple minded or a sloppy thinker. Anyone who comes up with a racial analogy over a normal one is inadvertently being publicly racist for everyone else to see. Maybe you don't even know it yet. I've dealt with one whose "yet to come out". What, couldn't come up with a normal one? I know what you were trying to do, but it was poorly worded. If anything, you're the sloppy thinker for not being capable of proving a point without directing people's train of thought onto more pressing matters. Good job, it worked.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:31 pm

SFKhoa wrote:Any Psikyo game for me. :/

Oh yeah, definitely.