OMG Star Trek

[Octopod]

Fuck the Trek BBS. Thats all.

[kengou]

Just saw it. Was surprised by how good it was, didn't expect as much. There were certainly some issues with continuity with the original series, even given the timeline changes, but I don't consider it that big a deal. For one, Chekov shouldn't have even been in this movie. He wasn't in season 1 of the original series, he was an ensign when he did sign on to the enterprise, and he was older than he should have been in the movie as well.

I can overlook these issues because the movie was very good.

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

Saving Romulus by replacing it's sun with a black hole

Obviously a stopgap measure.

Romulus wouldnt be worth living on without a daytime or seasons/weather system. The prequel comic expands on this plot hole a great deal - the exploding star is actually in another system and is massive but none of this is made clear in the film so it still counts.

Spock could see Vulcan from the surface of another planet

Pretty sure that was a moon

It was refered to as an "M-Class Planet". If it was a moon in orbit of Vulcan they would probably even more fucked.

Spock ejecting Kirk off the ship

I don't see the problem with this one, as from Spock's perspective Kirk was causing more trouble than he could deal with.

Most ships have a brig. I dont think they throw you overboard in the navy, I can imagine them dropping you at an outpost but not if it was in Ice Monster country.

They can teleport from Saturn to Earth but they need a drill to get to the center of a planet

I'm not sure where you're getting teleport from Saturn from

They hid in Saturn's magnetosphere to avoid detection by Nero. Major plot point.

I get it that some people dont care about the stupid nitpicks - but why defend a movie that you weren't paying attention to?

[Ed Oscuro]

Saving Romulus by replacing it's sun with a black hole

Obviously a stopgap measure.

Romulus wouldnt be worth living on without a daytime or seasons/weather system. The prequel comic expands on this plot hole a great deal - the exploding star is actually in another system and is massive but none of this is made clear in the film so it still counts.

Again, "stopgap measure" means that they did it so that people could at least evacuate the planet. Much better than having your sun go nova on you in which case there's nothing to evacuate.

It was the escape pod that identified the "class-M planet." Vulcan could be a double-planet system. It's definitely clear that this "moon" (I say moon from the perspective of ancient Vulcans) is nearly as big as Vulcan itself, and has to be close enough that it's exerting some pull on Vulcan itself. Getting a definite Burroughs vibe here.

You shouldn't refer to Nero and the Enterprise crew simultaneously as "they," since we're talking about completely different technologies and races. Star Trek has always been dodgy about how much stuff you can move (and how far) with teleporters (and it gets worse with this film, as apparently you can beam into water without trouble), but more to the point Nero's ship is a mining vessel and it's not inconceivable that it would be somewhat specialized. On that note, there was something odd with the gravity charge sunk into Vulcan - when the Enterprise crew shows up and makes trouble Nero seems to launch the charge ahead of time to burrow in on its own (?!)

So there's two other issues to consider:

1.) How did they beam aboard the Enterprise from this class-M planet while it was moving at warp speed? Scotty's comments aside, they'd still have to figure out where the ship was (or where it was in relation to the space moving around it). As he said, it'd be like trying to hit a bullseye while on horseback and blindfolded, and clearly Spock didn't give Kirk a phone number. No subspace transponder signal to latch onto either.

2.) Scotty's Splash Mountain adventure. Enough said about that one.

why defend a movie that you weren't paying attention to?

Yeah, I was having fun paying attention to the action and the crowd (including the cast) applauding the movie, you green-blooded goblin. Jeez o' pete, that was unncessary. Why waste time bashing a movie you don't like? (Throwing out a willfully inaccurate reading of other people's stance on said movie for fun!) I am having some fun going over the various loopholes and glaring issues in the film, so don't feel that I am dismissing your contributions.

Edit: First a Star Wars connection, now a Burroughs connection...apparently Paramount Pictures passed up rights to John Carter of Mars in order to make this film.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

According to USA Today dated 5/11/2009, it mentioned that this 11th ST film grossed $76.5 million dollars during it's intial four-day weekend opening (including the Thursday night opening festivities) from 5/7/2009 to 5/10/2009.

USA Today also mentioned in the same article that the best of the old ST films, the 1986 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home scored $30.4 million overall at the box office (and was regarded as the most successful of the old ST films anyways). You'd have to take into consideration that movie ticket prices back in 1986 (for both bargin matinee and non-bargin matinee movie tickets) weren't as high as they are nowdays due to inflation and other various factors. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[Ed Oscuro]

For PC-Engine Fan X!,

The final figures were $3 million higher than reported, for a final opening weekend gross of $79.2M.

Multiple articles making the rounds online suggest that it was Star Trek II, with its budget of about 1/4 of the original movie, that saved the franchise and was generally superior to the fourth film. Star Trek IV did have cheesy moments such as "HELLO COMPUTER," "nuclear wessels," whales, and "he did too much LDS" - but if you want a good movie, look towards Khan or my personal favorite, Star Trek VI (at least the version without the so-called "Scooby Doo ending" with the unmasking of Colonel West, aka Deep Space 9's Rene Auberjonois (and I spelled that correcly without looking it up!) ^_~

[Vexorg]

Even though it's literally been years since the last time I went to a movie theater, I saw this tonight, and although I haven't watched nearly enough original series episodes to really get a feel for those characters (I pretty much grew up with TNG) this was definitely nothing like the old familiar Star Trek. Nonetheless, it was still entertaining (although I might be tempted to fast forward the first 30 minutes or so if I watched it again.) I suspect they'll probably sequel this into oblivion, but for now it was pretty good.

[Ed Oscuro]

I suspect they'll probably sequel this into oblivion, but for now it was pretty good.

Or back from oblivion, as it may be.

Funny thing is that my mom, who generally hates movies with anything dark in them, adored this movie and even went out and pre-empted my dad on buying the next issue of the official Star Trek magazine. She remembers (vaguely, I suppose!) watching some of the original episodes of the series in a tiny TV room on campus when they first aired. She said it felt like the old trek.

It's certainly got a slightly different form of humor, more mainstream and slapstick-trendy, than the original series did (from what I remember), but at least it's better humor than First Contact's mouthbreathing kind (some of it is quite funny but only extreme trivia fans will get it, i.e. the "Borg? Sounds Swedish." line from First Contact) or plain creepy kind.

[Vexorg]

And since I've got nothing better to do today, I decided to nitpick on a number of things in the movie over on my Blog. Not that I'm what you'd call a Trekkie or anything like that, but it occurred to me that there were a number of things that seemed a bit odd upon further consideration. You can find the post here

(Warning: Chock full of spoilers)

http://thesledgehammer.wordpress.com/20 ... rek-movie/

[professor ganson]

Cool movie, though the parallel universe or multi-verse thing is not really my thing. Also, I fell asleep halfway through-- something that often happens to me in movies with a bit too much action.

[kengou]

And since I've got nothing better to do today, I decided to nitpick on a number of things in the movie over on my Blog. Not that I'm what you'd call a Trekkie or anything like that, but it occurred to me that there were a number of things that seemed a bit odd upon further consideration. You can find the post here

(Warning: Chock full of spoilers)

http://thesledgehammer.wordpress.com/20 ... rek-movie/

I enjoyed that a lot! Good writing and some nitpicks I hadn't considered.

[it290]

I thought the movie was great (Simon Pegg especially kicked ass), but the whole Uhura/Spock thing bothered me a bit. Uhura was always a bit of a saucy dame and I just don't see her being the type to go for a Vulcan at all, regardless of her background and education. Comments?

[Vexorg]

As I mentioned in my nitpick article above, I'm not really all that familiar with the TOS character of Uhura, but the whole Uhura/Spock thing seemed rather random, almost like JJ Abrams accidentally wandered into some bad fanfic on the Internet and started getting ideas...

[ST Dragon]

I just saw the new Star Trek movie and I was so amazed! The sad / dramatic theme, the dark / sinister characters & the awesome and imposing sound track, all add up to an excellent sci-fi film! This was vastly superior to the previous Next Generation films, with the cheesy dialogues & boring characters (Especially Data) and the fact that the story-line & plot were actually sad and dramatic, made this so much more interesting.

I love the part towards the end when Kirk & Spock beam up into Nero’s space-ship and while Kirk fights hand to hand against Nero, Nero reveals to him that he actually knows him from Earth’s future history and that he would deprive him from that future life. Implying indirectly how famous and what a great hero Kirk was in his time.

This film, along with Star Trek I, III, V and the Star Trek Voyager series, is the best of the ST universe in my opinion.

Also the new Starship Enterprise looks so cool!

http://www.dan-dare.org/FreeFun/Images/ ... 0x1200.jpg

[ST Dragon]

ship looks crap

ROTFLMAO !!


And just look at the poor dog's misarable expression!
As if it can tell it's being ridiculed... Lol!!
I wonder if it can reach the notorious Delta Quadrant with that gear?!...

[ST Dragon]

Yeah, it's quite shocking to realize that after the cataclysmic events of this new Star Trek reboot & the destruction of Vulcan; basically all the other Star Trek films and series were as if they never happened! So in essence, captain Sisko & the federation never wage war against the Dominion, Captain Picard never encounters the Borg, Kirk doesn't face the sinister V'Ger and Captain Janeway’s Odyssey in traversing through the entire Delta Quadrant & all the adventures & epic encounters with some of the most dangerous races of the Galaxy were all as if they never happened!
Only captain's Archer's voyages don't get affected by these events.

Personally I like this mind-blowing prospect and it’s very interesting to imagine what kind of new plots & story-lines they will come up with next.
I would love to see Captain Kirk facing the Borg!

Star Trek II is another awesome sci-fi film. Especially Khan is a classic villain!
The part when he interrogated Chekov and Terrell and put the alien worms inside their ear was so cool and scary!

“Allow me to introduce you to Ceti Alpha V's only remaining, indigenous, life form. What do you think? It killed twenty of my people, including my beloved wife. Oh, not all at once. and not instantly, to be sure."

“You see their young enter through the ears and wrap them selves around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the victim extremely susceptible to...suggestion.
These are pets of course. Not quite domesticated!”

[ST Dragon]

Star Trek Voyager was the best of the series imo.
What made it so cool and interesting, was the fact that they were alone & stranded on the other side of the Galaxy and managed to get through some of the most extreme situations. It shared many similarities to Homer's Odyssey, it took place in so many different worlds and they came in contact with the most dangerous & varied alien races, more than any other Sci-fi series. Let’s not forget the epic encounters against the sinister & evil Borg. All this combined with excellent humor and resourcefulness from the side of the crew and Captain Janeway.

I'll agree that by far the best character in Voyager and possibly the best character in any Star Trek series, is the emergency holographic doctor:




Star Trek Voyager - 2x17 - Dreadnought

- The Doctor, Kes & Samantha Wildman on sickbay, trying to find a name for her new-born baby girl...

It doesn't have to be a human name. I like Soral.
It's Vulcan.
Yes, I'm fortunately it was also the name of a dictator on Sokura prime, famed for beheading his rivals...and his parents!”

Star Trek Voyager - 5x22 - Someone To Watch Over Me

- Seven of Nine and B'Elanna Torres

"I have been observing you. It's part of my research on human mating behavior."
(reads from the PADD) "Stardate 52647, 1400 hours. Subjects quarrel in corridor outside female's quarters. Male returns with 12 flowering plant stems, species Rosa rubifolia, effecting a cessation of hostilities. Stardate 52648, 0300 hours. Intimate relations resume."
"How the hell do you know when we're having intimate relations?"
"There is no one on Deck 9, Section 12 who doesn't know when you're having intimate relations."
"I want all the date you collected!"
"I haven't completed the study"
"Then study this. Borg provokes Klingon. Klingon breaks Borg nose."
"Call sickbay, tell them there is about to be a medical emergency"

[szycag]

Voyager mostly sucked. Of course the premise was tight but the writers were too dumb/underpaid to make it anything other than TNG remix. Especially after DS9 was so much more mature of a show as a whole, more about politics and dealing with terrorism WAY before it became a topic for television drama... this was nothing more than a twist. There are outstanding episodes here and there, and the characters are great, and I'm not saying it's anywhere near Enterprise bad, but I don't get how someone could say it's their absolute favorite ST series even in spite of bad taste.

[ST Dragon]

I explained in detail why VOY was my favorite of the series.
Apart from captain Sisko, DS9 had the most boring characters of any of the series and the fact that the whole show takes places in a stationary space station, it gets boring quite fast. Of course things begin to pick up nicely after the Dominion arive into the scene & the final epic battle that leads to the destruction of Cardasia-prime, but still VOY is better.

[Ed Oscuro]

Voyager mostly sucked. Of course the premise was tight but the writers were too dumb/underpaid to make it anything other than TNG remix.

Typical Trek series recipe: 3 cups Amazing fucking actors, 1/2 cup reused sets, and 1 tsp. dumb as hell writing. Brown and serve.

[szycag]

DS9 had the most boring characters of any of the series

I'm just gonna pretend you don't know about or haven't seen Enterprise.

Chakotay, Neelix, Tom Paris and whatever the asian dude's name was... those are great characters to you then? Affirmative action, Jar Jar Binks and token down to earth relatable pasty white guy. That's awesome.

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[ST Dragon]

The destruction of Vulcan alone is enough to change the entire future ST story line as well as the entire Federation. Only 10000 Vulcan's survived so it's highly unlikely that Tuvok would have existed (who played such a large role in the Voyager series), or any other important Vulcan character, or the Vulcan fleet for that matter, in the rest of the ST series & films.

So everything after that gets irreversibly changed, including the TNG, DS9, VOY & the films.

I think there will be some ST film in the future where the new Star Trek crew encounters the Borg. It will be interesting to see how they’ll face them with their technology being 100years older than what the TNG & VOY crew mustered and still barely escaped and lived to tell the tale.

If The Borg queen fancied Picard so much in the TNG episodes & First Contact film, imagine how interested she would be for Captain Kirk who was admittedly the toughest & manliest of all the ST characters.

[Ed Oscuro]

DS9 had the most boring characters of any of the series

I'm just gonna pretend you don't know about or haven't seen Enterprise.

Chakotay, Neelix, Tom Paris and whatever the asian dude's name was... those are great characters to you then? Affirmative action, Jar Jar Binks and token down to earth relatable pasty white guy. That's awesome.

Who is worse - Neelix (actually I liked him but he seemed somewhat...castrated, kind of like Voyager's version of Dr. Zachary Smith from Lost in Space. Good actors I'd bet, just sort of an "odd man out" when you had crazy shit happening the rest of the episode. Guinan filled this type of role better), or doctor whatever the hell is name is from Enterprise? That dude even looked like Neelix...but I liked him even less, as it was, well, Enterprise, after all.

Animated Trek > Next Generation <> DS9 > Voyager > Enterprise.

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[ST Dragon]

Voyager > Animated Trek > Next Generation <> DS9 > Enterprise.

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[ST Dragon]

I see a conspiracy here...

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[ST Dragon]

"drivel broadcast"? I take it that's not good?