Degica Shmups Thread

[Elixir]

It's not the adapter's fault, I've had this since 2004 and it's worked with anything that supports Directinput.

Eschatos definitely supports DirectInput. I've tried a couple of different devices now that aren't xinput, and it's working perfectly fine for me.

please teach me your magical ways, I'll prove it that directinput isn't working: http://webm.host/bdddb/

It doesn't matter which input preset I start Eschatos with, either. Just because PS4 works (which isn't correct mapping, most people use DS4Tool to emulate Xinput) doesn't actually mean anything, PS4 uses POV hats much like 360 controllers/sticks which use Xinput, which Eschatos obviously supports as it's a 360 backport.

[Shepardus]

Replays aren't working.

I downloaded a replay for the 2nd highest score on the Original Normal leaderboards, and played it... but the player's ship started behaving erratically and died repeatedly when the UFO dropped its purple and yellow crystals. It got a game over and only 3 million points even though the game was supposed to be cleared, and with a far bigger score. I played it again and the same thing happened. I tried the 3rd highest score and the same thing happened but at a different stage.

Strange that no one has complained about this yet. Is it only me?

I haven't unlocked the ability to download replays from the leaderboard yet, but my own local replay of Original Easy worked fine without any desync, played at 8x speed. Are only downloaded replays desyncing, or are local replays also desyncing for you?

[Van_Artic]

But more importantly, will you be adding online leaderboard support for JSS/CS? Honestly I don't care about Eschatos

+1

[awry]

I haven't unlocked the ability to download replays from the leaderboard yet, but my own local replay of Original Easy worked fine without any desync, played at 8x speed. Are only downloaded replays desyncing, or are local replays also desyncing for you?

My Original Easy, Advanced Easy, and and Time Attack clears all play fully. It's the downloaded replays that have problems.

Replay downloading unlocked for me at option level 20.

[Trevor spencer]

Hi .. Thanks for the recent releases on PC

Could I suggest a faithful arcade port of Deathsmiles 2 next on steam ...

[Satan]

Hi .. Thanks for the recent releases on PC

Could I suggest a faithful arcade port of Deathsmiles 2 next on steam ...

[Trevor spencer]

Iimo its DS2 & Kuro thats most needed

[Legendary Hoamaru]

The yuuki dev1 test score has reappeared on the leaderboards .

[ratikal]

It's not the adapter's fault, I've had this since 2004 and it's worked with anything that supports Directinput.

Eschatos definitely supports DirectInput. I've tried a couple of different devices now that aren't xinput, and it's working perfectly fine for me.

please teach me your magical ways, I'll prove it that directinput isn't working: http://webm.host/bdddb/

It doesn't matter which input preset I start Eschatos with, either. Just because PS4 works (which isn't correct mapping, most people use DS4Tool to emulate Xinput) doesn't actually mean anything, PS4 uses POV hats much like 360 controllers/sticks which use Xinput, which Eschatos obviously supports as it's a 360 backport.

I'm having this same issue with my PS2 to USB adapter.

[Vally]

It's not the adapter's fault, I've had this since 2004 and it's worked with anything that supports Directinput.

Eschatos definitely supports DirectInput. I've tried a couple of different devices now that aren't xinput, and it's working perfectly fine for me.

please teach me your magical ways, I'll prove it that directinput isn't working: http://webm.host/bdddb/

It doesn't matter which input preset I start Eschatos with, either. Just because PS4 works (which isn't correct mapping, most people use DS4Tool to emulate Xinput) doesn't actually mean anything, PS4 uses POV hats much like 360 controllers/sticks which use Xinput, which Eschatos obviously supports as it's a 360 backport.

No need for that, I take your word for things not working. I simply think it's a bit more complex than just the game not supporting DirectInput.

Without an xinput wrapper like the SCP driver set or something similar, I'm also pretty sure the PS4 pad doesn't use xinput in the slightest (though someone please correct me if I'm wrong here).

Sucks that it's not working for a few people though, especially when JSS and CS do. Seen a couple of threads on the Steam community hub as well that say they're having controller mapping problems.

Seems a bit weird but it doesn't seem like anything a patch can't sort out?

[Obscura]

Hey guys, do us all a favor and make sure that this review is buried away from the eyes of the unassuming public. I want Ginga Force and Natsuki Chronciles on PC too, and if some dumb casual doesn't buy the game because of the misinformation in this review, I'll rage hard.

Some dude (...?) ran through down voting all the positive reviews on the store page too, this should even the odds, heheheh.

OH NOEZ, SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH MY OPINION ON THE VIDEOGAEM, MUST ORGANIZE THE PITCHFORK-WIELDING MOB AND MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE CAN SEE IT!!!

Pathetic.

(And, for the record, the author of that review isn't the person who downvoted the positive reviews.)

[Giest118]

OH NOEZ, SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH MY OPINION ON THE VIDEOGAEM, MUST ORGANIZE THE PITCHFORK-WIELDING MOB AND MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE CAN SEE IT!!!

Pathetic.

To be fair, "misinformation" is quite a different thing from "differing opinion."

Having said that, the review is right about one thing: there's frame rate issues abound with this game for some reason.

[STGAlmond]

please teach me your magical ways, I'll prove it that directinput isn't working: http://webm.host/bdddb/

It doesn't matter which input preset I start Eschatos with, either. Just because PS4 works (which isn't correct mapping, most people use DS4Tool to emulate Xinput) doesn't actually mean anything, PS4 uses POV hats much like 360 controllers/sticks which use Xinput, which Eschatos obviously supports as it's a 360 backport.

I watched your video showing your issue. One thing I noticed is that eschatos is asking you to push joy button 9. I saw that when you were showing your inputs working that button 9 never lit up. It seems you aren't pressing or do not have button 9 to get passed the start screen.

[awry]

OH NOEZ, SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH MY OPINION ON THE VIDEOGAEM, MUST ORGANIZE THE PITCHFORK-WIELDING MOB AND MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE CAN SEE IT!!! Pathetic.

Well, as the comments under that review point out, the review is mean-spirited and full of misinfo. It fails to mention even a single positive thing about this spectacular game, making it an unhelpful review. Unhelpful reviews should rightfully be hidden from the public.

Also, Jap devs tend to be inexperienced with porting to PC, so some leniency is due, considering that the issues will eventually be fixed.

[Obscura]

Yes, negative reviews of bad games should mention positive things, even if they don't exist. That makes sense.

It doesn't matter if the developer is inexperienced with porting to PC; points shouldn't be awarded for effort. Results are all that matters, and, in technical terms, that port is a disaster.

I find it really funny that H2 can release a port of Raiden IV that's a lot better than this port, and yet people whine about how bad it is... I wonder how much of it is just because no one from H2 posts here.

[Cagar]

OH NOEZ, SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH MY OPINION ON THE VIDEOGAEM, MUST ORGANIZE THE PITCHFORK-WIELDING MOB AND MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE CAN SEE IT!!! Pathetic.

Well, as the comments under that review point out, the review is mean-spirited and full of misinfo. It fails to mention even a single positive thing about this spectacular game, making it an unhelpful review. Unhelpful reviews should rightfully be hidden from the public.

Oh alright, if this is how it works, let me downvote every 'positive-spirited' review that fail to mention even a single negative thing about this shitty game.

All that we still need is someone from here to post a review saying "ALERT: THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THIS GAME DOWNVOTING POSITIVE REVIEWS AND SUPPORTING NEGATIVE REVIEWS!!!" and the Eschatos cult-cake is complete.

[Zaarock]

I want some yagawa cult-cake with my cave kusoge

on topic:
Pitchforking the only negative review for a game is pretty unnecessary. It's going to get downvoted anyway

'Furthermore, aggression-based score systems don't work in games with slow bullets.' this sounds silly though, the shield in eschatos and ginga force is exactly there to allow you to move aggressively through slow bullets. It covers only your front further emphasizing this.
I had framerate problems with the game using an NVidia card but for some reason it runs flawlessly with intel integrated graphics, maybe that could help someone else?

[awry]

Actually you should do that because in my opinion reviews that don't mention the negatives are unhelpful reviews. At least, they aren't helpful to me.

Also this cult sounds delicious... but in all seriousness the flaws of the port are actually being mentioned in here.

[qmish]

Oh alright, if this is how it works, let me downvote every 'positive-spirited' review that fail to mention even a single negative thing about this shitty game.

Special World is coming after you.

[awry]

Yes, negative reviews of bad games should mention positive things, even if they don't exist.

Good thing they do exist in this case! :^)

[Xyga]

I want some yagawa cult-cake with my cave kusoge

Yeah we want Laserfight! on Steam.

[Shepardus]

There's maybe one review currently up that I actually find useful (or would find useful if I hadn't already bought the game) because it actually says something about the game beyond "I liked it because I liked it" or "I disliked it because I didn't like it," which doesn't tell me anything because I know nothing about the reviewer's tastes. In that respect I think this review is actually more helpful than most because at least it makes some sweeping statements about scoring systems that I don't find to be well-grounded, which indicates to me that we think about games very differently and maybe someone with more similar tastes would be able to give me a better idea about whether I would enjoy this game. That and it mentions the framerate, which does seem to be a problem judging by other posts here and my experience on my not-so-beefy laptop.

[Squire Grooktook]

Hey guys, do us all a favor and make sure that this review is buried away from the eyes of the unassuming public. I want Ginga Force and Natsuki Chronciles on PC too, and if some dumb casual doesn't buy the game because of the misinformation in this review, I'll rage hard.

Some dude (...?) ran through down voting all the positive reviews on the store page too, this should even the odds, heheheh.

OH NOEZ, SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH MY OPINION ON THE VIDEOGAEM, MUST ORGANIZE THE PITCHFORK-WIELDING MOB AND MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE CAN SEE IT!!!

Pathetic.

(And, for the record, the author of that review isn't the person who downvoted the positive reviews.)

It's not that I care that your opinion is wrong, it's just that I don't want anybody to not buy this game because of that misinformation . I want this masterpiece to sell millions so that Qute can become rich and famous and so that they can make more shmups then Cave and become the greatest stg dev ever.

This is also why I left a comment on the review (wouldn't have bothered otherwise): just to make sure if anybody did click on it, they'd see there is a counter argument. This is also why I'll probably write a positive review asap and encourage all my friends who own it to do the same: definitely needs to have the "reviews: overwhelmingly positive" mark on the store page.

See: there are two people now who have said the review is helpful. Which means two people who might not have bought the game. This makes me very angry*, not the review.

As to whoever ran through voting down all the positive reviews: I will find them.


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[Obscura]

One of those upvotes was from Cagar, who wouldn't have even known about the review had you not tried to pitchfork it. So you only have yourself to blame for that one.

But yes, I'm quite aware that you left a comment disagreeing with it. That's the proper way to handle something you disagree with -- you attempt to make an argument that's more correct. What you don't do is try to create a mob to silence it.

Oh, and trying to start a mob against me while still being friendly to me in Steam chat is so two-faced that it's absolutely shocking.

[Squire Grooktook]

Oh, and trying to start a mob against me while still being friendly to me in Steam chat is so two-faced that it's absolutely shocking.

Aww cmon man, it's not like I did it in secret. This post was here for everyone to see for 2 days. I thought you say it immediately after I posted.

Anyway, nothin' personal. I'm not sure if I should apologize, because I really don't think it's a big deal, or really even a problem. You posted a bad review and I told people that it was bad and that they should downvote it so that misinformation doesn't get spread (and saying the scoring is punishing or "doesn't work" is downright misinformation). Don't see the err in moral judgement there.

But yes, I'm quite aware that you left a comment disagreeing with it. That's the proper way to handle something you disagree with -- you attempt to make an argument that's more correct. What you don't do is try to create a mob to silence it.

Not really a mob, people down-voted because they agreed.

[Squire Grooktook]

Also doublepost for the record, if I had known a forum argument would start or if anyone would get offended because of it, I would not have posted. It's not worth that trouble. I didn't mean it to be a big deal.

[awry]

I want Ginga Force and Natsuki Chronciles on PC too, and if some dumb casual doesn't buy the game because of the misinformation in this review, I'll rage hard.

Is Special going to make a thread that tells me how good Ginga Force is?

You don't own Ginga Force > Why don't you own Ginga Force

You own Ginga Force > Why aren't you playing Ginga Force right now

You're playing Ginga Force right now > I too am playing the single qutest scrolling shooter of all time right now

[Squire Grooktook]

It's not as good as Eschatos imo, and not quite arcade styled, but it's very good yes.

Feeling kind of sick right now about all this, since Obscura unfriended me on Steam. I thought everyone was chill about video games, didn't expect any offense. I'm sorry man.

[Special World]

I want Ginga Force and Natsuki Chronciles on PC too, and if some dumb casual doesn't buy the game because of the misinformation in this review, I'll rage hard.

Is Special going to make a thread that tells me how good Ginga Force is?

You don't own Ginga Force > Why don't you own Ginga Force

You own Ginga Force > Why aren't you playing Ginga Force right now

You're playing Ginga Force right now > I too am playing the single qutest scrolling shooter of all time right now

Ginga Force is amazing and for a while I flip-flopped but I'ma say Eschatos is definitely better. Ginga Force has some things I love (dear god the shield break is just such a beautiful mechanic) but Eschatos is like 100% amazing business through and through. Ginga Force has a little bit of flab; I could really go without playing stage 2 ever again for instance.

[Zaarock]

Ginga Force is amazing and for a while I flip-flopped but I'ma say Eschatos is definitely better. Ginga Force has some things I love (dear god the shield break is just such a beautiful mechanic) but Eschatos is like 100% amazing business through and through. Ginga Force has a little bit of flab; I could really go without playing stage 2 ever again for instance.

IDK, Stage 3 (excluding the end boss) has some silly stuff in Eschatos. Does anyone like the part with the random crystals falling and 3D boss collisions? It's not that bad once you learn it but I always question how that section is good design.

Ginga Force has a lot of variety as each stage has a distinct theme and there's a lot of content, and while a couple of the stages are lackluster there's a lot of brilliant level and boss design in there. I don't like 2,5,9 much but love 3,6,7. Luckily score attack is single stage so you can avoid the gimmick stages if you like.

Whenever I consider the game I'm thinking about Hard score attack. I'm not sure if most people have put in the time to unlock it, that's a bit of a barrier. The game is clearly balanced around the three ships available in score attack. The three ships are very different from eachother for more variety.. type-B with the charge bomb is super cool, I need to get to learning it sometime.

The bosses are more exciting imo as they have destroyable parts and multiple phases. They get very aggressive as you destroy them (similar to Eschatos final boss) but you might not notice this if not going for score. Chapter 3 boss in particular has tricky to destroy parts and can become really difficult