Shooting Game Tournament 2006

Vincere · Post by **Vincere** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:26 am

Nemo wrote:I vote for ESPgaluda II for Cave week.

Sure buddy, but it'll never be chosen cause a measly 95% of people here can't play the game. Nice try. This would be the 1337.

Raidenfighter Kirkov · Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:36 pm

Hi !

Can i join the tournament, or is it too late ?

I think i can find some more players to form a team (i would call it team ASS

Austrian Shooter Squad)

Greetings
RFK

Edge · Post by **Edge** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:52 pm

I am really sorry Raidenfighter Kirkov, but you can't join the tournament anymore.

We already had some controversy going on about another member who wanted to enter late. And according to the tournament rules no new players are accepted after the start date.

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:34 pm

Raidenfighter Kirkov wrote:Hi !

Can i join the tournament, or is it too late ?

I think i can find some more players to form a team (i would call it team ASS Austrian Shooter Squad)

Greetings
RFK

Next time there is a Tournament I will join ASS.

Post by **Ghegs** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:40 pm

Split the replay-discussion to its own thread.

ThunderForce 222 · Post by **ThunderForce 222** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:33 am

Hey, I want on a team. I am currently deployed in Afghanistan but I have Gradius V and Gradius collections for PSP. I Have Raystorm and Crisis, R-type Delta. I also have Thunder Force V but I it wouldn't be fair for me to play against people in that game, seriously.....I also have Thunder Force VI.........JUST KIDDING!!!!!! I still only play shooters anymore if any game at all. I'm always ready to go against the best...and win. It's not fair I can't enter. I just got back from 2 weeks in the field. I never knew of this or this rule. It's not like I can just "up" and go to the nearest terminal and log on. We can't use DOD material to log on in the field. What Thunder Force Games are being played? Why don't Shmups do like us Capcom tourney people did and organize REAL people tourny meets, like this mass online tourney. Rent a ballroom for a weekend or something. I retired after 14 years of Capcom and video games but if the shmup scene was good like it looks like it is, I see NO reason why we can't have this done. I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE to watch shmups being played. The adrenaline is PURE. It's like entering a trance. When the music is blaring and the hair on you're arms is standing on edge and all you see is you're ship moving. You don't see patterns anymore, you operate on pure skill. It's the greatest feeling in the world. It definetly beats getting shot at for real. These enemies DON'T flash yellow before they die and in this game you HAVE to get a "No Miss" bonus.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 6:36 am

ThunderForce 222 wrote:Hey, I want on a team. I am currently deployed in Afghanistan but I have Gradius V and Gradius collections for PSP. I Have Raystorm and Crisis, R-type Delta. I also have Thunder Force V but I it wouldn't be fair for me to play against people in that game, seriously.....I also have Thunder Force VI.........JUST KIDDING!!!!!! I still only play shooters anymore if any game at all. I'm always ready to go against the best...and win. It's not fair I can't enter. I just got back from 2 weeks in the field. I never knew of this or this rule. It's not like I can just "up" and go to the nearest terminal and log on. We can't use DOD material to log on in the field. What Thunder Force Games are being played? Why don't Shmups do like us Capcom tourney people did and organize REAL people tourny meets, like this mass online tourney. Rent a ballroom for a weekend or something. I retired after 14 years of Capcom and video games but if the shmup scene was good like it looks like it is, I see NO reason why we can't have this done. I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE to watch shmups being played. The adrenaline is PURE. It's like entering a trance. When the music is blaring and the hair on you're arms is standing on edge and all you see is you're ship moving. You don't see patterns anymore, you operate on pure skill. It's the greatest feeling in the world. It definetly beats getting shot at for real. These enemies DON'T flash yellow before they die and in this game you HAVE to get a "No Miss" bonus.

They gave a full month to register. But let's say even if they let you in anyway, how would you have been able to get online and post a score every other week for games that wouldn't have been on your list of ownership? It's not fair to everybody already entered if we keep unbalancing teams through new late entries. We had issues with this already. It's been settled.

Can you hook us up with enough plane tickets and hotel stays to fly in 90+ people from all over the world for a real meet? I'd like to be in one too

The Shmupmeets board is specifically designed for hosting real meetings of any way you choose. Use it to put together this live tournament you seek.

Thanks for serving your country. Seriously, use the year you have to relearn the shmups scene, then find a way out of the military and keep checking back next summer say we do a Shooting Game Tournament 2007.

In the meantime, go put some dents in the hi-score boards while you seem so cocky about it

They are never time-based.

ThunderForce 222 · Post by **ThunderForce 222** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:32 am

AWWW HELL. you're right, I guess I am always out in the field. I'm not cocky at Thunder Force V----I just know NOONE can beat me at it

Look if a meet like a mass turney is scheduled, then it's the indiviuals responisibility to provide transport and lodging not the host. I'm not ready to leave the Army yet, it's good money and I can kill people

but seriously, it is good money. I'm National guard but I get active duty pay at home casue I work at my unit, it's called ADSW,come to think of it..I really don't do that much work.

If you can find a person to beat me at Thunder Force V-----I'll give out 500$ and that is my word............SERIOUSLY!!! This is my contribution to the tourny. If Thunder Force V is used I will Throw out 500$ of my own money if my requirements can be met and beat. What needs to happen is the founding and senior members need funding for rentals of ballrooms and such for a big meet to happen. The people of Shoryuken.com started out that way and now look at what it has become, if you know anything about them or the work they do. Shoryuken. com now sponsers 85% of MAJOR Capcom Tournies around the states and Japan. Anyone ever heard of The Evolution Tourny, It's the west coast championships and are humungous hosting about 7500 people each year with THE TOP players there every year, Jap and US. Justin Wong-Daigo-Alex Valle-John Choi-just to name a few, and it is not just Capcom but Namco and Sammy(Guilty Gear Series) have the games there. 13 games a year, check it out. This site could eventually get like that, I'll help with the contacts I've made playing in those tournies and believe me in 14 years I've made contacts.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 6:34 pm

Start a new thread about this subject and we'll talk more about it. The tourney on this thread is already well underway. With 23 pages under its belt, it's not worth it to derail this thread over the possibilities of a whole different tourney.

As it stands, ya got 10 people ya gotta beat first. Go to it.

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:06 am

Just out of curiousity Edge, have you got the games for Raizing Week shortlisted yet, and when are we likely to see the poll appear? It's the week I'm looking forward to most. ^_^

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:21 am

C'monnnnnnnnnnnn Dimahoo!

ThunderForce 222 · Post by **ThunderForce 222** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:01 am

DJ Incompetent wrote:Start a new thread about this subject and we'll talk more about it. The tourney on this thread is already well underway. With 23 pages under its belt, it's not worth it to derail this thread over the possibilities of a whole different tourney.

As it stands, ya got 10 people ya gotta beat first. Go to it.

I don'thave to beat NO ONE at Thunder Force V, they have to beat me, you have no clue what I did in this game do you?

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:25 am

Considering that it says "ThunderForce", and not "ThunderForce 222" in the hi score thread for TFV, there's a distinct possibility that no, he doesn't.

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:25 am

Icarus wrote:Just out of curiousity Edge, have you got the games for Raizing Week shortlisted yet, and when are we likely to see the poll appear? It's the week I'm looking forward to most. ^_^

It's the week I'm looking forward to the least.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:43 am

I agree. They are a bit complicated for a week of play (the ones that would get picked anyways). It's not too late to make another mixed developer week.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:16 am

Herr Schatten wrote:
Icarus wrote:Just out of curiousity Edge, have you got the games for Raizing Week shortlisted yet, and when are we likely to see the poll appear? It's the week I'm looking forward to most. ^_^
It's the week I'm looking forward to the least.

if everyone votes for dimahoo i'm going to be very sad because that's the game that makes me dizzy after stage 2 or 3

Post by **Shatterhand** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:45 pm

Herr Schatten wrote:
Icarus wrote:Just out of curiousity Edge, have you got the games for Raizing Week shortlisted yet, and when are we likely to see the poll appear? It's the week I'm looking forward to most. ^_^
It's the week I'm looking forward to the least.

Yeah, I agree with Herr

.

I'll vote for Batrider anyway, as it's the only Raizing game I've completed, though my scores suck on it.

Edge · Post by **Edge** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:51 pm

Here are the Team and single Player results for week #1: Here

EDIT:

About the single Player Ranking.
I tried to find a system that is independent from the number of player's joining. That's why I went with this one:

Number of players joined will be divided in 5 tiers.
The tiers will consist of a certain percantage of players joined.
First Tier consists of the top 10%.
Second Tier of the next 15%.
Third Tier 20%.
Fourth Tier 25%.
Fifth Tier 30%

Between each Tier will be a 20 points span.
So Tier 1 has a span from 100-80 points. Now those 20 points will be divided by the number of players in this tier (in this week's case 10% of 71 = 7 players). So we have 20/7 =2,857... point difference between each position in this tier.

Offcourse those scores have to be rounded up or rounded off. This explains why on certain spots the span varies in the same tier. Which is the only weak spot of this system, in my opinion.

Otherwise it can handle about 150 or 30 joining players. Which was the most important factor for me, because we don't know how many players we will get on each week.

If you disagree please post your thoughts.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:07 pm

Edge wrote:Here are the Team and single Player results for week #1: Here

damn you namako team *shakes hand*

ill give you a run for yer money in raizing week!! (my fave too surprise surprise)

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:17 pm

sven666 wrote:damn you namako team *shakes hand*
ill give you a run for yer money in raizing week!! (my fave too surprise surprise)

Bring it on! namakoteam is very confident and will go into Raizing Week taking no prisoners. ^_-
Although everyone will have access to the guides that are currently available on shmupsforum, which should be helpful to everyone who will be participating.

And will we be seeing the missing players during Raizing Week? (You know who you are!)

Edge wrote:About the single Player Ranking.
I tried to find a system that is independent from the number of player's joining. That's why I went with this one.

Good job on the rankings Edge, your hard work is appreciated. ^_^
Looks like you've gone with a variation of the system that was used during Ramus' shmeets.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:26 pm

Rob wrote;

I agree. They are a bit complicated for a week of play (the ones that would get picked anyways). It's not too late to make another mixed developer week.

Raizing should not be overlooked.
It would be like overlooking Psikyo.

Anyway Rob, you'll get your chance to rip us apart on Psikyo week

. I'm fairly sure that's one of our weak spots.

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Thanks for the hard work Edge!

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:32 pm

EDIT: I found it.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=10414

EDIT 2: Anyway, thanks for your hard work Edge. I'm enjoying this very much.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:17 pm

DEL wrote: Raizing should not be overlooked.
It would be like overlooking Psikyo.

For significance as a developer they can't be denied. I'm just thinking of accessibility for beginners (since I would be one of them). Let's say Batrider is picked. Nice game, but poor beginners will spend a week finding the right ship combination. There's enough secrets and subtleties to fill up weeks of play.

On the other hand, Psikyo is just really simple. imho, Psikyo/Takumi should not have been proposed to be mixed initially, should've been Raizing/Takumi. I think that offers more of a variety & choice for score-based gaming.

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:30 pm

Rob wrote:For significance as a developer they can't be denied. I'm just thinking of accessibility for beginners (since I would be one of them). Let's say Batrider is picked. Nice game, but poor beginners will spend a week finding the right ship combination. There's enough secrets and subtleties to fill up weeks of play.

Ship and stage combination is only required for advanced scoring tactics. Most players can get away with a single Batrider (for ease of clear), Garegga or Mahou ship (for respective secret bosses) as their main; no team selection necessary.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:42 pm

Most players can get away with a single Batrider (for ease of clear),

Protip: good for a lower tier finish!

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:45 pm

Rob wrote:Protip: good for a lower tier finish!

Good for practicing patterns and stages too. ^_-
Or are you forgetting about Blazing Star and the difficulties at the higher rank levels? ^_-

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:48 pm

Rob wrote:Let's say Batrider is picked. Nice game, but poor beginners will spend a week finding the right ship combination.

Not to mention the bullets.

On the other hand, Psikyo is just really simple.

In terms of scoring mechanics and such, yes, but I'd also argue that the faster bullets and larger hitboxes make even playing simply "for survival," with no regards to score, much more memory-based and time-consuming than most Raizing games. Newbies would have just as many hangups trying to figure out which way is up as they would playing a Raizing game, just in a different manner.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:51 pm

Icarus wrote: Or are you forgetting about Blazing Star and the difficulties at the higher rank levels? ^_-

I'm not sure what you mean. BS is really simple and as I've said I don't think rank is much of an issue, unless you want to get the last 5 million (or less) points in the game (I'll estimate).

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:51 pm

The crazy thing about Battle Garegga is that it doesn't even get difficult until the second half of the fourth stage, even with utter disregard to rank control yet some posters act like it killed their mother.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:57 pm

BulletMagnet wrote: In terms of scoring mechanics and such, yes, but I'd also argue that the faster bullets and larger hitboxes make even playing simply "for survival," with no regards to score, much more memory-based and time-consuming than most Raizing games.

Yeah, survival is a larger part of their difficulty than scoring (so more intuitive to the average fan). But Psikyo is one developer where replays/savestates could help accelerate through this, since it's often a "trick" of tapping in very small ways or neutralizing certain enemies.

Strongly disagree on time-consuming point, unless you're including clearing the loop.

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