So What's the Reason the 360 is NOT the new Shmup Console?

[DEL]

Hibachi wrote;

I'm now on my fifth UK Xbox.

That's about one a year. Yes I have a JP console but I am living in fear that it will die any minute and I've had it three months.

That's what scares me. The imported Jap X360s are generally very expensive over here, and I don't want to have one blow up on me, not at £300plus prices . (I know spadgy found one cheap, but I doubt I'll be so lucky).
I want one, but I'm holding back...

As for the thread title:- Always buy Jap imports if you're into STGs.
You can wish upon a star for localised ports if you wish.

[charlie chong]

Hibachi wrote;

I'm now on my fifth UK Xbox.

That's about one a year. Yes I have a JP console but I am living in fear that it will die any minute and I've had it three months.

That's what scares me. The imported Jap X360s are generally very expensive over here, and I don't want to have one blow up on me, not at £300plus prices . (I know spadgy found one cheap, but I doubt I'll be so lucky).
I want one, but I'm holding back...

As for the thread title:- Always buy Jap imports if you're into STGs.
You can wish upon a star for localised ports if you wish.

keep an eye on the ntscuk selling forums for jpn 360s.. i got one a week and a bit ago for £189 off there

[DEL]

^Aah Thanks!

I think I still have an account there.

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

I would say 360 is the way to go. The Wii has some great Shmups, mainly Soldier Blade. However, those are all older games with no online scoreboard, and some of them are quite dated by todays standards.

Instead, on the 360, you get newer titles. Raiden IV, for example.

And I couldn't care less about Cave. Most of their games are incredibly similar to each other.

Why do you think the focus of Death Smiles is the loli and not the gameplay?

Though I would certainly love to see DoDonPachi on US 360s.

[kk1030]

I have no idea why ppl arguing about something thats already a fact, -360 comparing to ps3 or a wii has alot more shmup varies titles. Any new shmup thats going to be release in the current generation, its happening on the 360. It is up to the publisher to release stuff outside of JP, as far as cost and demand goes, its not going to happen anytime soon.

Which leads to...

If you want to play shmup - import a 360. Too expensive? - import one and mod it then d/l the games.

If this were on a ps3, I doubt that it will cost less in the long run.

Myself imported every legit shmup games thats out there. Although its expensive. But its well worth it as a fan.

Last thing to be said, theres no free lunch. If you dont accept whats there, someone else will take it w/ a gratitude.

[XERO]

it would be really nice if the games were not region locked....also, the shmups on the xbox360 seem to be priced higher than most games.

[`Throwdown]

it would be really nice if the games were not region locked....also, the shmups on the xbox360 seem to be priced higher than most games.

Yeah region locking is noob and gaming politics at it's finest.

[MADEIRA STEVE88]

Yh living in the UK is hell for SHMUP fans, at least NA get Raiden Fighters Aces and soon to be getting Raiden IV...........

Wheres the UK's love!

Its a if im being forced to purchase another console to play 1 of my fav genres

[bucklemyshoe]

Why do you think the focus of Death Smiles is the loli and not the gameplay?

If you have a formula that works, why change it?

However DS is a bad example for your statement considering it's the most different out of the recent Cave titles.

[cj iwakura]

Maybe I'm biased because I don't own a 360, but for localized shmups, I see the Wii as being tough to beat.

Microsoft are being nazis about letting anyone publish shmups on their console, and that doesn't seem likely to change. Nintendo on the other hand, as we've seen, let anyone publish anything they want, so it's a natural safe haven for shmups.

[louisg]

... because it doesn't have Sengoku Blade


Yeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

[SkylineR32]

Cave stuff doesn't leave Japan. It's just a fact. That's how it goes. There's many reasons, but other people could explain the story better than I could. Also, remember the part where the west hates hard games

3 words, Steep Slope Sliders for the Sega Saturn

I haven't posted here in a while but I'm in the same boat. I have a massive amount of shooters across many platforms, mostly Saturn, DC and PS2. I've imported since the early 90's and have spent a truckload over the years. But I did some sums yesterday and if I want to play Death Smiles it's going to cost me in excess of AU$550. Waaaay too much I'm afraid.

Hehe, picked one up a couple of weeks back already in Oz. AU$198.50

Death Smiles is better than I hoped for

[Diebythesword]

The Wii is the ultimate shooter machine, but the Japanese PSN has Raiden and Cho Aniki, then you have 360 with the Raiden Fighters Aces/Raiden IV/Death Smilies. But for new shooters? Blast Works!

[ChurchOfSolipsism]

The Wii is the ultimate shooter machine

[Elixir]

Nintendo on the other hand, as we've seen, let anyone publish anything they want, so it's a natural safe haven for shmups.

yeah it's called lack of quality control

[DAY]

I agree with the people that say that the Xbox 360 is not a good console mechanicly. In the days everybody in the west were importing a Saturn or DC to play the shmups and most of the machines are still working. Because there is no warranty given with the 360, most poeple are hesitant to get one.

But looking at the library, 360 is definitly the shmup console of this generation so far, that's quite strange looking at the many releases the ps2 received in the last generation. Why isn't Sony supporting the shmup community a bit more?

[Kaspal]

I agree with the people that say that the Xbox 360 is not a good console mechanicly. In the days everybody in the west were importing a Saturn or DC to play the shmups and most of the machines are still working. Because there is no warranty given with the 360, most poeple are hesitant to get one.

But looking at the library, 360 is definitly the shmup console of this generation so far, that's quite strange looking at the many releases the ps2 received in the last generation. Why isn't Sony supporting the shmup community a bit more?

i couldnt really care lesss about Sony's policy about shmups... takin into account that most shmups that came on PS2 came in its late lifecycle... well, i bought my PS2 almost 2 years ago, so im not the one to complain, but its widespread that sony HATES 2D games.

now, what irks me the most, is the fact that M$ enforced the god damned region locking shit... being the X360 such a delicate piece of (* cough * shit * cough*) hardware, region locking is the worst thing that could have happened to us, since we have to import a JAP console, to play our beloved games, and llive in fear that the console will (certainly) break any second, with no warnings...

i've been thinking on getting one for quite awhile now (a japanese console, i already have an elite model), but the prices, and the fragility of the console are holding me back... but maybe one day i will.... i just wanna have those babies here, and play'em... too many lovely shmups to play!!...

[chempop]

I'm so friggin close to ordering jpn360 off play-asia its a joke. Then I have fears of it breaking too soon and microsoft not wanting to fix it because I imported it... Can someone please tell me the deal with owning a JPN system in the USA and what microsoft's warranty covers, or what it would theoretically cost to fix. Also, does this whole "Jasper" chipset address most of the issues that people have been consistently been having?

I missed out on the last 5 years of shmups not including the Shiki ports and I'm in terrible withdrawals! If someone can put me at ease I'll order Death Smiles and either DOJblex, Raiden4, Shooting Love, Mamoru-kun wa Norowarete Shimatta, or Otomedius (not sure what my second game would be).

h...e...l....p.... me I'm sick the same games I've had for the past 20 years LOL

[Naiera]

M$ will repair JAP consoles in the US. It's over here in Europe that we're screwed. So buy one.

And of course your second game should be DDP DOJ, assuming you didn't play it on the PS2.

[E. Randy Dupre]

Microsoft are being nazis about letting anyone publish shmups on their console, and that doesn't seem likely to change.

Can we put this story to bed? The thing about MS refusing to allow 5pb to publish DDP DOJ and Ketsui over XBLA has never been substantiated and no other publisher has ever commented on it.

And given what eventually ended up happening with both of 5pb's Cave ports, it's fairly safe to presume that either the claim was bullshit, or if MS did turn them down it's been proved that they had good reason to do so.

[Elixir]

M$

MICRO$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$UCK LOL SO RANDUMB xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Naiera]

Is there any reason why my use of 'M$' is singled out?

[AraraSPAMWitch]

Maybe I'm biased because I don't own a 360, but for localized shmups, I see the Wii as being tough to beat.

Microsoft are being nazis about letting anyone publish shmups on their console, and that doesn't seem likely to change. Nintendo on the other hand, as we've seen, let anyone publish anything they want, so it's a natural safe haven for shmups.

ehh..."natural safe haven"? I dunno, if it was such a natural safe haven I don't think the best games (yeah I'm so elitist I consider its best games to be shooters) on it would be shiki 3 and what, karous? No offense to the shiki series or anything, I love the games, I just feel that the Wii's offerings pale when compared to the best stuff on the 360, i.e. DeathSmiles, Raiden anything, DOJ (I haven't played the 360 port but I feel even 5pb couldn't completely ruin such a sick game), and of course the upcoming futari port. Hell, I'd rather have just futari than all of the shooters on the wii, including the VC material, that game is off the fucking hook...

But yeah, there's not even a decent stick native to the Wii. And really, why would a manufacturer even bother making high-end arcade-style stuff for the Wii? It has a couple aging shooting games, only one of them (Shiki 3) in my view worth anything, very little in the way of fighting games, and a bunch of emulated console shooters. Whuppee! O joyous day! I have no verification for this, but with modern consoles, I feel that a lack of decent shooters is tied in with an underdeveloped fighting game base. Look at last generation--the console with the most vibrant fighting game scene also had the most shooters, though to be fair that console did have pretty much better everything so scratch that last theory from memory...I do, however, feel that fighting games and shooters, being of arcade origin and requiring similar controllers, are linked, and that a console that fails to establish a solid fighting game base (obviously larger and more lucrative than STGs) will not become a profitable home for arcade shooters.

I had a paragraph about MarioKart here and how people who play it for serious are nutso, but I deleted it. Point is: why the hell would publishers go out of their way to release obscurer, skill-intensive stuff on a system that has clearly established itself from the outset as, let's face it, a toy for grandmothers and stoners to get together and smile joyously...true story.

Conclusion: while it sucks that we have to import some of the coolest stuff and pay obscene amounts of money, we are diehard fans. It is the duty of the diehard fan to make dumb decisions. I have foregone dinner for the things I love, sacrificed my GPA, put my self in danger of physical harm, gotten buttfuck lost in foreign lands...such is the way of the fan. So take out a loan and buy the damn 360, and buy four or five more when they break, it's your duty as an enthusiast to make absolutely retarded, irresponsible decisions.

Apologies for the rambling, being bored at work with an internet connection and zero supervision never brings forth profound wisdom, story of my life

[BIL]

"I have foregone dinner for the things I love, sacrificed my GPA, put my self in danger of physical harm, gotten buttfuck lost in foreign lands"

I was like "yeah, I can relate... yeah... yep... WTF " until I saw that "lost" there.

[lgb]

"Everyone" moved to the 360 because of its power?

[Elixir]

Is there any reason why my use of 'M$' is singled out?

Because it's stupid and you need to grow up.

[Naiera]

So it's not stupid when other users do it? Only two posts up you'll see someone else do it.

I think you're making too much of it. It's a joke, at least to me. You need to lighten up.

[Elixir]

The same applies to them, but their post wasn't worth reading, unlike yours. Consider yourself lucky.

[Kaspal]

The same applies to them, but their post wasn't worth reading, unlike yours. Consider yourself lucky.

that hurts!!!.... that post was mine y'know!? (jk)

[MathU]

M$ sux, 'nuff said