Got some Christmas Money now i cant decide, PSPvsDS

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:24 pm

E. Randy Dupre wrote:This may be a silly question, but you are switching it off properly, yeah? I've come across people before who complained that their PSP batteries were draining even when the machine was off, but it turned out that they were just switching the console onto standby.

That was actually my first thought, too. But no, it really is switched off properly.

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:27 pm

Herr Schatten wrote:
E. Randy Dupre wrote:This may be a silly question, but you are switching it off properly, yeah? I've come across people before who complained that their PSP batteries were draining even when the machine was off, but it turned out that they were just switching the console onto standby.
That was actually my first thought, too. But no, it really is switched off properly.

That's fucked up dude, cuz I leave mine in suspend mode ALL the time and it doesn't drain at all overnight. I've tested it several times and it doesn't even lose 1% overnight in suspend mode.

You ever think that your PSP is just fucked?

BTW on the d-pad issue, http://www.ufighterx.com/guides/videoga ... padfix.htm was beautiful for my phat psp. The slim/lite versions' d-pad are more sticking out already.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:26 pm

That's a hell of a lot of effort to go to when you can simply buy one of the pads I mentioned before:

http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/PXP043.html

Stick it on the top and you're golden.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:39 pm

Just get a PSP, it has Prinny, a perfect version of Disgaea, and a few other worthwhile 2D games.

the ds is the ipod of gaming

bob · Post by **bob** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:03 pm

the ds is the ipod of gaming

What does that mean?
I think the Ipd is a good mp3 player... but because you said he should get a psp I think this was meant as an insult.
I don't get it.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:52 pm

Hahaha "good" and "ipod" in the same sentence. Can't even support your basic fucking legitimate file types. The ipod's a fashion accessory, as is the DS Lite. It has good games, but 3D on the DS is absolutely horrible. It's like every single game I'm playing is Virtual Hydlide for the Saturn. Actually I'm pretty sure it's accurate to compare 3D Saturn games to the DS' 3D.

There's a bunch of good games for both, I just don't care that much for handheld gaming. It's gaming outside of gaming.

If you're going to get a handheld you might as well get one that emulates PS1 games properly as well. There's also a perfect doukutsu monogatari port out there if you wish to seek it out, but god knows where the DS one went to. I think RavenWorks is too busy jacking off to Pixel's creation to get his work done.

I'm pretty sure no matter which one you decide, you'll end up getting scratches on it. It's impossible to own a PSP without a screen protector and keep it in a scratchless condition.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:22 am

I've managed. It's not that difficult to keep a handheld in good condition if you're not stupid with it.

DS 3D is comparable to N64 3D. All you have to look at for proof of that are the Mario 64 conversion and Mario Kart DS. As with all of Nintendo's consoles since the N64, the problem is lack of effort on the part of most third-party developers.

And I've absolutely no idea how you come to the conclusion that only the DS is a fashion accessory, when that's precisely what Sony have been selling the PSP as for its entire life.

They're both decent handhelds and they both have decent games on them. The decision about which to buy comes down to which of the two has the games that most suit your personal tastes. It really is that simple.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:30 am

E. Randy Dupre wrote:I've managed. It's not that difficult to keep a handheld in good condition if you're not stupid with it.

DS 3D is comparable to N64 3D. All you have to look at for proof of that are the Mario 64 conversion and Mario Kart DS. As with all of Nintendo's consoles since the N64, the problem is their lack of concern for most third-party developers.

Fixed.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:04 am

Fanboys. Hundreds of 'em.

themachinist · Post by **themachinist** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:49 am

New DJMP games are out. That's pretty much all I play on my fatPSP these days.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:33 am

E. Randy Dupre wrote:That's a hell of a lot of effort to go to when you can simply buy one of the pads I mentioned before:

http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/PXP043.html

Stick it on the top and you're golden.

I wish it was that simple. Unfortunately, the diagonals are no easier to hit in fluid motions. D-Pad mods aren't a big deal. A few screws and the front pops off. The biggest worry is not getting dust under the screen. Using tape instead of an NES case makes things even simpler.

Aquas · Post by **Aquas** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:38 am

I myself opted for a PSP-2000 over the DS, even without modding I've found games to satisfy me. I recommend the Liquid Crystal Portables for a screen protector, I've had one on my PSP for almost a year and they're great for protection and cost like 3 bucks. I have games like Tales of Eternia, Street Fighter ALpha 3 Max, Castlevania DX:C, all the shmup collections aside from Star Soldier and Gitaroo Man lives and even some others like Silent Hill Origins, Star Ocean First Departure (not that great a remake, but ok,) Ultimate GnG, Crush, LocoRoco, Sega Genesis Collections. Haven't noticed any particular battery deterioration.

Of course if you're like me, you want to do some portable shmupping and that's a main reason I got mine.

Lloyd Mangram · Post by **Lloyd Mangram** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:14 am

indstr wrote:
UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:Just tried the GBA emu and it runs very well. Only problems I've run into are some slight frame skipping and less than perfect sound. However, the games are perfectly playable.
No idea what you are talking about dude. For me with GPSP. the sound is perfect and it is at frameskip 0 always, fullspeed.

Do you get full speed + full framerate on Gradius Galaxies? I found it didn't run at full speed... same with Invader, the Sega Arcade Pack (Outrun, Space Harrier, etc), and a few others I can't recall offhand.

E. Randy Dupre wrote:The complaint about the PSP d-pad is meaningless now. Just pick up one of those dirt cheap discs that you stick over the top. It's a two-second job.

I found the disc addon didn't help much. The internal d-pad mod, however, is pisseasy and works beautifully.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:20 am

The PSP is in fact better when it comes to shmups on the go.
But its library is a complete joke when compared to the DS.
There are only a few decent games- and i found even the hyped ones to be terrible. Mostly due to a sloppy framerate. I mean cmon, loading times and framerate issues on a handheld...
Overall the PSPs gaming library just sucks ass from a straw.
The emulation and homebrew stuff is it's saving grace.

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:14 pm

Lloyd Mangram wrote: Do you get full speed + full framerate on Gradius Galaxies? I found it didn't run at full speed... same with Invader, the Sega Arcade Pack (Outrun, Space Harrier, etc), and a few others I can't recall offhand.

I haven't tried those games. I'll try them in the next day or two though and report.

Jockel wrote:There are only a few decent games- and i found even the hyped ones to be terrible. Mostly due to a sloppy framerate.

Set your clockspeed to 333 if you're worried about framerate. I guess they defaulted it to 222 for all the games for the first few years because of battery issues, but I'm pretty sure some of the developers especially for the launch titles assumed that it would be running at 333. The only retail game I've really noticed ran like shit at 222 was Midnight club or something, but it ran a lot better at 333. Not actually a game I played for more than 5 minutes though.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:09 pm

Herr Schatten wrote:My main complaint about both PSP units I owned (one old model, one slim & lite) would be that the batteries discharge even when the unit is switched off. When I don't use my PSP for a while (even if it's only a couple of days) and then switch it on, the battery seems to be completely discharged almost every time.
So there's just no 'quickly stuff it in your pocket when leaving the house' with the PSP. I always have to plan ahead and make sure the batteries are charged before going on a trip. For a portable device this is a major design flaw.

I never seem to have the same problem with the DS (both fat and lite). Even when I don't use it for weeks, it's still fully charged and functional when I switch it back on.

E. Randy Dupre wrote:This may be a silly question, but you are switching it off properly, yeah? I've come across people before who complained that their PSP batteries were draining even when the machine was off, but it turned out that they were just switching the console onto standby.
That was actually my first thought, too. But no, it really is switched off properly.

when you press the power button to the off position, be sure to keep holding for a few seconds. You can be sure you completely turned off the PSP if the next time you turn it on you'll see the "Sony Computer Entertainment" logo and jingle. If you don't see that, but are brought directly to the cross media bar or even in-game, you didn't turn the system off but only in standby.

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:34 am

Turrican wrote:when you press the power button to the off position, be sure to keep holding for a few seconds. You can be sure you completely turned off the PSP if the next time you turn it on you'll see the "Sony Computer Entertainment" logo and jingle. If you don't see that, but are brought directly to the cross media bar or even in-game, you didn't turn the system off but only in standby.

As I said earlier, I'm well aware of the difference between switching the unit off properly and making it go into standby. After all, it's not exactly rocket science.

Energy still drains while the unit is not in use, though. It could be my PSP S&L that's busted, but my old fat PSP behaved the same way. Maybe it's just me expecting too much?

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:31 pm

I'm going to have to buy a PSP again. For a third time.

Disgaea 2 was just announced for it. If it's anything like the original one for PSP, it'll be perfect. Damn, I didn't really want to touch the PSP again.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:33 pm

Herr Schatten wrote: As I said earlier, I'm well aware of the difference between switching the unit off properly and making it go into standby. After all, it's not exactly rocket science.

Energy still drains while the unit is not in use, though. It could be my PSP S&L that's busted, but my old fat PSP behaved the same way. Maybe it's just me expecting too much?

I guess it depends on how much is this "in a while" - if your fully charged PSP if off and you find it out of charge after a "couple days", then I'd return it to Sony - mine has lasted a lot more even in standby.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:52 pm

Elixir> It isn't that the PSP doesn't have some great games on it; rather it is funny that you don't recognize that the DS also has great games. To be honest, they are both highly enjoyable consoles depending on what kind of games you want to play. Time to widen that perspective of yours (especially given how many would favor the DS here based on its strong support of 2D titles.)

Interesting you mention Disgaea 2...both consoles have strong rpg libraries, and in the case of SRPGs, they also both have strong selections in this area. I wouldn't even be surprised if they ported disgaea 2 to the DS since this is the same pattern they followed with the original disgaea. That is: PS2 -> PSP -> DS.

So if there's really one thing I don't get here, it isn't that you love the PSP. God damn it, love the PSP if you want to! But where's the DS hate coming from?

neonecko · Post by **neonecko** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:38 pm

Elixir wrote:Just get a PSP, it has Prinny, a perfect version of Disgaea, and a few other worthwhile 2D games.

the ds is the ipod of gaming

I just played the Prinny game for the first time and it is awesome. Luckily I don't need to really understand japanese to play.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:09 pm

Elixir wrote:Disgaea 2 was just announced for it.

I hadn't heard about this until you mentioned it, but yep, here's the official site. I imagine that there's been no word on a localization yet, though I'd imagine that the odds are pretty good. IIRC Phantom Brave's also being ported to the Wii...

neonecko · Post by **neonecko** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:19 am

Aww man, I just got Harmful Park working on my PSP and its awesome. PSP may sometimes lack in title releases but like everyone else has stated, emulation and homebrew is unmatched.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:33 pm

What happen? What system you get?

boagman · Post by **boagman** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:20 am

UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:What happen?

Somebody set up us the bomb!

Come on, now...how many of you out there were thinking the *exact* same thing I was?

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:06 pm

Elixir wrote:Hahaha "good" and "ipod" in the same sentence. Can't even support your basic fucking legitimate file types. The ipod's a fashion accessory, as is the DS Lite. It has good games, but 3D on the DS is absolutely horrible. It's like every single game I'm playing is Virtual Hydlide for the Saturn. Actually I'm pretty sure it's accurate to compare 3D Saturn games to the DS' 3D.

There's a bunch of good games for both, I just don't care that much for handheld gaming. It's gaming outside of gaming.

If you're going to get a handheld you might as well get one that emulates PS1 games properly as well. There's also a perfect doukutsu monogatari port out there if you wish to seek it out, but god knows where the DS one went to. I think RavenWorks is too busy jacking off to Pixel's creation to get his work done.

I'm pretty sure no matter which one you decide, you'll end up getting scratches on it. It's impossible to own a PSP without a screen protector and keep it in a scratchless condition.

Perhaps you haven't had a good experience w/ one, but I love my 80GB iPod. Now, I wouldn't go for a iPod touch, despite the new interface - I require LOTS of storage for my large CD collection. And it will handle MP3, which is the format I most often use, aside from game music formats, which I generally convert to MP3 for use on the iPod anyway.

Back OT, I've not played a DS (sadly), but I love my new PSP. I already have a stack of great games for it - honestly, Mega Man X: Maverick Hunter, the 2 Capcom collections, Castlevania X, Gradius Collection, Bomberman (WELL DONE and feels classic), Rainbow Islands, and the Taito Legends comp make the PSP a winner for me. As a Syphon Filter fan, I also got Logan's Shadow, though I'm having difficulty adjusting to the new control interface (w/ lack of 2nd set of shoulder buttons). Otherwise, I really think the PSP is a great little system, sans emulation. I also think the battery life isn't as bad as most complain - I got several hours out my first charge, and haven't had to charge a 2nd time yet.

greg · Post by **greg** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:09 pm

I don't get it. Somebody asks whether they should get a PSP or a DS, and more than half of the responses are all about which system plays emulation better. What about those of us who prefer to buy our games? At least several here are talking about the actual game titles available for each system. The PSP has all the shmups, for sure. However I'm very happy with my DS and will probably not buy a PSP. I'd rather run emulators on my Xbox. At first I thought the DS was gimmicky with two screens and a touch screen capability, but it really does make games interactive and allows for plenty of learning and not just gaming. I bought my DS for the kanji dictionary and kanji study software, and it is certainly helping me study kanji. I'm also enjoying Brain Age on my lunch breaks at work.

Elixir wrote:Just get a PSP, it has Prinny, a perfect version of Disgaea, and a few other worthwhile 2D games.

Oh come on. "A few other worthwhile 2D games." Meanwhile, the DS has a ton of worthwhile 2D games. The DS seems to be more of a haven for 2D sprite-based games than the PSP. I'm still in love with the 16-bit era, and the DS seems to be the best for that.

I did get Disgaea for the DS. I never played it on the PS2, and I realize that the cartridge limitations probably make it inferior to the PSP port, but to me the only real drawback is the lack of Japanese voice acting. The hardware for the PSP is probably superior and the MD can store more data than the DS carts, but the DS is just too charming, and I'm not a Nintendo fan at all. [/i]

UnscathedFlyingObject · Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:26 pm

Guy is interested about emulation so we're also talking about emulation.

greg · Post by **greg** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:56 pm

Oh gosh! LOL. Trying to read a thread and juggling a baby at the same time is apparently not a good exercise in multi-tasking.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:03 pm

You have a kid now? Congrats!

Boy or girl?