XRGB-mini Framemeister

airs · Post by **airs** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:10 pm

I'll post pictures and impressions of the DC + Hanzo + Kenzei versus my Hanzo into my plasma's direct VGA input as soon as I receive my order from Beharius. Speaking of that order...do we have a tracking number yet?

Edit: Just saw your post on assembler, awesome! Thanks for the update.

beharius · Post by **beharius** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:15 pm

It's ready and it will be shipped on Monday. I will give its tracking number later.

airs · Post by **airs** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:23 pm

I just fired up Chrono Trigger (SNES) and noticed a problem - when I went to the Millennial Fair at the beginning of the game and talked to someone, the screen shakes up and down a bit and loses audio, then regains audio and stabilizes. Is this due to some resolution switch or is it a sync issue with a cable? I'm using these retro gaming accessories cables:

Super Nintendo stereo RGB SCART lead FULLY SHIELDED+GROUNDED
Micomsoft XRGB Mini Sync booster for Euro SCART to XRGB Mini cable

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:46 pm

I read here that some Square games switch from 240p to 480i for effects, and during this time you're lucky not to use video entirely while it detects the change in the signal.

Custardo · Post by **Custardo** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:24 pm

The remote control of my Framemeister has stopped working.Is there a working configuration for for example the logitech harmomy I can download for the Framemeister? I bought the FM from Solaris Japan, and have sent them a mail, but I'd like to know if there are alternatives that maybe are a bit quicker, and don't involve ordering a new remote control.

AkibaDecker · Post by **AkibaDecker** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:28 pm

I also received the Kenzei recently. The kit looks beautiful! Though I realized I am missing a cable (doh).

I'm missing the middle cable below. Just want to make sure with the rest of you that I'm not doing it wrong...

Kenzei (has SCART female port) -> SCART Male to Male -> SCART (female port) to XRGB 8-pin

I'm based in the United States... would anyone recommend a particular seller for the cable? I see listings on eBay for some from Hong Kong and such, but I am not sure whether to trust the quality or not

Custardo · Post by **Custardo** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:26 am

About the remote control.. The Framemeister actually IS available in the Harmony database, under XRGB-mini. Slly me, for only trying the name Framemeister. Thanks to whoever uploaded it in the first place!

beharius · Post by **beharius** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:08 am

You need this one?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-5m-GOLD-Ful ... 20c44519be

AkibaDecker · Post by **AkibaDecker** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:36 am

beharius wrote:You need this one?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-5m-GOLD-Ful ... 20c44519be

Looks like it. Thanks, beharius

mistahsnart · Post by **mistahsnart** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:58 pm

So on the topic of the Framemeister's component input problems, has anyone tried a Wii VGA cable with the FM? I'm curious to see if it does as good a job as it does with the DC in the front RGB input. Well, as good as the rather awful output of the Wii will allow...

djdavedoc · Post by **djdavedoc** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:47 pm

Hi Guys, No matter what I seem to do with the XRGB Mini Scan B settings, I cannot get decent looking scanlines with my PAL PS2. At 576p of course there are no scanlines at all, So I switch it up to 720p and this enables the Scan B Even & Odd settings. I have tweaked and tweaked but cant get anything to look decent at all. Anyone out there with a PAL PS2 and an XRGB Mini that have managed to get decent looking scanlines out of their setuo?

Thanks in advance guys.
Dave

http://www.youtube.com/user/DaveDoc1984
My YouTube Channel

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:03 pm

mistahsnart wrote:So on the topic of the Framemeister's component input problems, has anyone tried a Wii VGA cable with the FM? I'm curious to see if it does as good a job as it does with the DC in the front RGB input. Well, as good as the rather awful output of the Wii will allow...

Wii cannot output in VGA. So I take it you're thinking of a transcoder of some sort?

Overkill · Post by **Overkill** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:38 pm

I think he is talking about this Wii/PS3 VGA cable http://www.amazon.com/Wii-PS3-VGA-HDTV- ... B0015MISAG but everyone who buyed it says its a piece of crap on Wii and on PS3

pyrotek85 · Post by **pyrotek85** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:09 pm

mistahsnart wrote:So on the topic of the Framemeister's component input problems, has anyone tried a Wii VGA cable with the FM? I'm curious to see if it does as good a job as it does with the DC in the front RGB input. Well, as good as the rather awful output of the Wii will allow...

This might not be of help if you don't have or plan on getting one, but I personally found the Wii U to upscale Wii games very nicely, far better than anything I could ever manage to get out of the Wii system itself. It doesn't magically make them better like what you'd see with the Dolphin emulator of course, but the video is very clean (though you'd lack the option of scanlines if you wanted them).

But I got tired of dealing with it so I just don't even use the Wii at all now, I play all it's games on the Wii U and Gamecube games on my Gamecube. I don't know what they did but you're right, the output is just awful.

airs · Post by **airs** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:42 pm

I have the Wii D-Terminal cable (Nintendo brand) and think it looks great with the FM.

austin532 · Post by **austin532** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:08 pm

djdavedoc wrote:Hi Guys, No matter what I seem to do with the XRGB Mini Scan B settings, I cannot get decent looking scanlines with my PAL PS2. At 576p of course there are no scanlines at all, So I switch it up to 720p and this enables the Scan B Even & Odd settings. I have tweaked and tweaked but cant get anything to look decent at all. Anyone out there with a PAL PS2 and an XRGB Mini that have managed to get decent looking scanlines out of their setuo?

Thanks in advance guys.
Dave

http://www.youtube.com/user/DaveDoc1984
My YouTube Channel

There is no way to get good looking Scan B scanlines due to a bug. I prefer lighter scanlines so I have mine set at 112 Even and 119 Odd. It looks closer to Scan A scanlines when you do this in my opinion.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:37 pm

There is no way to get good looking Scan B scanlines due to a bug

that's not exactly right. Whenever you use a ED (480p and 576p) source, the B scanlines are enabled instead of the A ones (that's a bug). Still they can look fine. You just set either the odd or even ones to invisible. As long as you set the output to 720p, B scanlines for 480p material look just fine. I have to admit that I never tried this on 576p signals, so this might be the problem here.

austin532 · Post by **austin532** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:30 am

I believe you can also get Scanlines A for PS2 by setting the Screen_Set to Smart_X 2 while outputting in HDMI 1080p. They are very faint but they are definitely there.

Also, Fudoh's method is better then mine about setting one of the B scanlines to invisible while outputting in 720p and having the screen set to Normal.

airs · Post by **airs** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:15 am

Got my NESRGB modded NES hooked up today and it looks GLORIOUS through the mini.

CkRtech · Post by **CkRtech** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:41 am

Jumping in - Any of you guys running the Dreamcast to a VGA input on a Panasonic Plasma? I have a VGA input as well as an xrgb, and all of this talk lately has me wondering how I should hook up the old DC. Lots of interesting devices appear to be available now to help with that.

beharius · Post by **beharius** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:02 pm

You need a Hanzo for the VGA goodness on your plasma, for the XRGB either Hanzo + Kenzei or Kuro+Kenzei will be the best solution...

mistahsnart · Post by **mistahsnart** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:34 pm

Overkill wrote:I think he is talking about this Wii/PS3 VGA cable http://www.amazon.com/Wii-PS3-VGA-HDTV- ... B0015MISAG but everyone who buyed it says its a piece of crap on Wii and on PS3

Yes, that's what I'm referring to. I was just curious if any of the more... discerning?... eyes from this forum have tried it with the FM.

pyrotek85 wrote:This might not be of help if you don't have or plan on getting one, but I personally found the Wii U to upscale Wii games very nicely

This is true, and I do play Wii games on the WiiU that's in our home theater room. It does a tremendously better job than the Wii>FM option. However, my wife and I have a few Wii units in the house on various TVs that get used for WiiWare and various emulators. I was just checking if those VGA cables I see floating around do a decent job of it. Sounds like the answer is no.

CkRtech wrote:Jumping in - Any of you guys running the Dreamcast to a VGA input on a Panasonic Plasma? I have a VGA input as well as an xrgb, and all of this talk lately has me wondering how I should hook up the old DC. Lots of interesting devices appear to be available now to help with that.

Yes, and it looks very decent. If you're looking to just hookup the DC, get yourself a simple VGA scanline generator and have at it. No real need to involve the XRGB. Unless of course you're looking to play the handful of 240p DC titles that don't support VGA (KOF 98, Plasma Sword, Bangai-O, and I think Psychic Force 2012).

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:51 pm

Hi Guys, No matter what I seem to do with the XRGB Mini Scan B settings, I cannot get decent looking scanlines with my PAL PS2. At 576p of course there are no scanlines at all, So I switch it up to 720p and this enables the Scan B Even & Odd settings. I have tweaked and tweaked but cant get anything to look decent at all. Anyone out there with a PAL PS2 and an XRGB Mini that have managed to get decent looking scanlines out of their setuo?

What do you mean by "At 576p of course there are no scanlines at all" ?, scanlines should work perfectly with this setting and indeed this is the only setting that does give perfect scanlines for PAL material.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:02 pm

480p input -> 480p output with scanlines does NOT work.

Which output resolution should give you perfect scanlines on 576p content ? As said, I never tried this.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:34 pm

Sorry I assumed he was trying to add scanlines to 288p content, which you can do by going 288p in 576p out.

Not sure why you'd want to scanline 576i/p content from a PS2 generally, with the exception of those titles that are badly converted 240p perhaps?

austin532 · Post by **austin532** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:38 pm

CkRtech wrote:Jumping in - Any of you guys running the Dreamcast to a VGA input on a Panasonic Plasma? I have a VGA input as well as an xrgb, and all of this talk lately has me wondering how I should hook up the old DC. Lots of interesting devices appear to be available now to help with that.

I was thinking about running the DC through the Mini as well with VGA but can't figure out an easy way for it that doesn't involve modding or syncing. From what I've read you are better off just using VGA plus a scanline generator.

From my experience there is really no need to upscale VGA as it already looks amazing on a HDTV at 480p (your TV may vary). Way better than Component. The only downside are the jaggies but that's where the scanline generator comes in handy.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:31 am

In general I would agree, BUT a) 2014 TVs don't have VGA anymore, b) trancoding to component with a SLG device in line is difficult and c) you get the VESA vs. SMTPE resolution problem (DC outputs at 720x480, display samples at 640x480, so you loose 80 columns of resolutions). And all you need to run a DC on a FM is a matching adapter cable with a passive sync combiner - not exactly rocket science.

pyrotek85 · Post by **pyrotek85** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:39 am

Fudoh wrote:In general I would agree, BUT a) 2014 TVs don't have VGA anymore

Oh really? I didn't know that, but I guess it makes sense if they're trying to phase out analog inputs. Good to know.

airs · Post by **airs** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:16 am

Hori D-Terminal switch arrived today (HAV-16). Purchased from http://www.shopncsx.com/avselector.aspx

The body is plastic and as such, feels a bit cheaply made but here's hoping it functions well. I'll post impressions when I get the male-male D-Terminal cable.

mistahsnart · Post by **mistahsnart** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:49 pm

Fudoh wrote:In general I would agree, BUT a) 2014 TVs don't have VGA anymore

True that. It's a pity. However, in relation to the original question, their TV does: I'm 99.9% certain every plasma Panasonic made up until they quit has a DSub port.

airs wrote:Hori D-Terminal switch arrived today (HAV-16)

That makes me sad that D-Terminal never caught on here in the US. When I think back to the component cable nightmare that lived behind my AV setups for years.... *shudder*

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