Too close for comfort? the revival?

[RNGmaster]

Did you guys finish solving all of this?

Don't ask me; I've just been trying to post Fawlty Towers episodes.

[jepjepjep]

Did you guys finish solving all of this?

Yes, piracy of new games is bad. Emulation of older games is good. DRM is bad. Buying compelling new games is good. Digital distribution is bad. Second hand sales are good.

[Bananamatic]

can we turn this into a "touhou sucks" thread now then

[Chaos Phoenixma]

Leave Touhou out of this.

Oh, and go 1cc UFO Lunatic. Zengeku and I have done so, now it's your turn.

[Sumez]

[jonny5]

"Que?"

[DrTrouserPlank]

Did you guys finish solving all of this?

No, but some of us got our food orders eventually.

[ChurchOfSolipsism]

Did you guys finish solving all of this?

Doesn't look like it... although personally I feel that the thread would be greatly improved if Elixir stepped up and explained the nonsense he typed earlier...

[BryanM]

So in the end they were left with a only 14 year old system, huge arcade install base, but a basically saturated market.

A truly tragic cycle. "Okay this platform is saturated, let's make a new one so we can make the same kinda game, but slightly more different."

Those SNK bastards never bothered to make a good kaiju game, anyway....

[Elixir]

Did you guys finish solving all of this?

Doesn't look like it... although personally I feel that the thread would be greatly improved if Elixir stepped up and explained the nonsense he typed earlier...

I shouldn't be expected to "step up" and clarify something I wrote which made perfect sense to begin with. Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it "nonsense".

There's nothing saving this thread, but here's a clarification, just for you.

If someone pirates something (game, movie, song, etc) as a medium, regardless of whether they purchase the item in the long run, they've pirated to obtain their conclusion. If they don't end up buying it, they've pirated the game. If they do end up buying it, they've pirated the game. This is not a relevant way to justify acts of piracy. If someone feels so entitled to trial, play, or experience a game before they've purchased the game, there's stores which allow you to hire games, videos online, video reviews, game demos of XBLA, XBLIG, PSN, full retail trials, recorded playthroughs, live streams, text reviews, screenshots, and even other people's opinions that can be used to come to a conclusion. If you still can't come to a conclusion without first pirating the game beforehand, you're a fucking moron.

[neorichieb1971]

I just youtube a game if i want to see what its about. Usually within 20 seconds i've made my decision.

In the movie world though, I do trial before I buy in some cases. Sometimes you've never heard of something before and it falls in your lap through one way or another. Thats a different topic though.

[JJXB]

Did you guys finish solving all of this?

Doesn't look like it... although personally I feel that the thread would be greatly improved if Elixir stepped up and explained the nonsense he typed earlier...

I shouldn't be expected to "step up" and clarify something I wrote which made perfect sense to begin with. Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it "nonsense".

There's nothing saving this thread, but here's a clarification, just for you.

If someone pirates something (game, movie, song, etc) as a medium, regardless of whether they purchase the item in the long run, they've pirated to obtain their conclusion. If they don't end up buying it, they've pirated the game. If they do end up buying it, they've pirated the game. This is not a relevant way to justify acts of piracy. If someone feels so entitled to trial, play, or experience a game before they've purchased the game, there's stores which allow you to hire games, videos online, video reviews, game demos of XBLA, XBLIG, PSN, full retail trials, recorded playthroughs, live streams, text reviews, screenshots, and even other people's opinions that can be used to come to a conclusion. If you still can't come to a conclusion without first pirating the game beforehand, you're a fucking moron.

trying to rely on anything but the full product is foolish.
1. you propose paying to try a game too which defeats the entire point of trying the game before you put any money towards it.
2. Playing Trials usually means dumb restrictions like:
- go through the tutorial levels then the 1st normal level which does nothing to naturally show any features, which is misleading since it wouldn't pique your interest as much.
- give you a super powered up character at a point in the actual game that does not have the super powered character, thuis misleading you.
- The game may be based on a beta. so you might be playing part of an incomplete game, thus being a bad way to gauge what the full game will be like.
you know the last good "trial" i played? DOOM and others of it's type. why? 1 full episode with no gimped features apart from the plasma rifle and BFG. so pure unadulterated gameplay and plenty of content to judge. no "1 level and sweet fuck all to judge" bollocks. the game spoke for itself because it was given the content length to.

3. trying to get an honest verdict out of most reviewers is like trying to make a stone bleed since it's all "opinions". example: I like the 3rd birthday and think that it's not that bad a game. most reviews I read and saw said that it was not very good at all. same with too human. if I were one swayed by opinions from everyone else with regards to game selection, then i would never have discovered "you know, these games aren't so bad" because i would never have fucking played them.

4. Non-interactive mediums of showing a game remove one vital element: interactivity. so screenshots, videos, livestreams all miss stuff like how the controls react or how good/bad the controls in general are for example. it's no use watching a video, buying the game and then finding out that the controls make the game unplayable.

piracy is a useful weapon in the good consumer's armoury. if you pirate a game, like it and then at some point buy because you KNOW it's a good game, you are a gained sale, not a lost sale. the only lost sales through piracy come through people playing the full game and saying "this shit isn't worth my money" because of the GAME. with piracy, the only factor to judge is the fucking game. no unlcear and mixed opinions from different reviewers, no restrictions on how long you can play and what you can play of a game and no way to be misled on stuff that can't be shown by videos and other non-interactive forms of experiencing the game.

legally? yes it's still illegal but honestly, I think that there also needs to be an extra way of rewarding the developers: direct donation. that way you can quite easily solve the moral gulf of "oh the developer gets no money when you pirate". if the game is worth you donating money, then you can donate it DIRECT too. so no publishers taking a hefty cut of any money via the donation, just the developers receiving more money than they would for an individual sale.

so yes i do give a damn about the "industry" but i don't give a damn about some of the corrupt practices and nonsensical bullshit some of the industry pulls out of it's ass when it realizes it can't stay purely on it's old business model. the worst part in general is how the devs get screwed by publishers.

sorry for the rant but those "holier than thou" who think piracy is purely wrong don't seem to realize how fucked up the industry is so that even if you do buy a game, the developers see fuck all money from sales.

and as for the "moron" comment? the only moron is someone who thinks all these sources are reliable since they don't realize they are vilifying the one source that cannot mislead you. i am no moron for wanting to make a fully informed decision.

[Elixir]

Gigantic justification of piracy.

How can you claim you give a damn about the industry when your entitlement complex demonstrates your double standards against the industry? The resources aren't reliable standalone, although collectively it's impossible not to have an impression of a game after seeing them.

It's a video game. I don't know how long you've been gaming, but generally you'll start refining your purchases and understand what you will and won't like. Think of it like this; if you can't see yourself getting value for money, don't bother. If in doubt, go without.

Edit: vvvvv Or just go without. Pirating as a medium shouldn't be an option to begin with.

[power UP]

If in doubt, go without.

Or just pirate it because you wouldn't have bought it so there is no difference for the dev.
And hey you might end up buying it.

Also there should be better demos for PC games.

[mjclark]

Pirating as a medium shouldn't be an option to begin with.

Unless your'e a pirate, in which case it would be wrong not to

Or just pirate it because you wouldn't have bought it so there is no difference for the dev.
And hey you might end up buying it.
Also there should be better demos for PC games.

Someone's jumped in without reading the earlier posts havn't they now?

Sell your mother, privatise the air and most of all
ROLL ON DEMUL 0.5.7

[power UP]

Yeah and you shouldn't do drugs because it's illegal.

Edit: vvvvv Or just go without.

Why go without. Is that your silly sense of "justice"? Because you paid for it nobody else is allowed to enjoy it for free?
Because you don't deserve it if you don't pay for it?
If you give someone who under no circumstances whatsoever would've bought the game, you aren't hurting the developer in any way shape of form.
You are helping the devs, because there is a chance that the pirate will tell his friends about the game, or him maybe buying it, or creating a fan page about it etc.

Pirating as a medium shouldn't be an option to begin with.

What does this even mean, and why shouldn't it.

[JJXB]

Gigantic justification of piracy.

How can you claim you give a damn about the industry when your entitlement complex demonstrates your double standards against the industry? The resources aren't reliable standalone, although collectively it's impossible not to have an impression of a game after seeing them.

It's a video game. I don't know how long you've been gaming, but generally you'll start refining your purchases and understand what you will and won't like. Think of it like this; if you can't see yourself getting value for money, don't bother. If in doubt, go without.

Edit: vvvvv Or just go without. Pirating as a medium shouldn't be an option to begin with.

...what entitlement complex are you onabout? are you referring to the fact I want to form a opinion of a game that's reliable? and you say collectively the sources are reliable. there has been many a time where all the opinions thrown around in multiple reviews and by people who play the let's plays/livestreams conflict. if i wanted to try and form a reliable view on a game from conflicting opinions, i'd ask 4chan's /v/ board, not professional reviewers that have extra vested interest by way of the fact they are paid to review it.
and you really think that developers don't change stuff between trials and full games?

and FYI, i've been gaming for most of my life. but i have a wide interest. so yes, while i like CoD4 for example, i also tend to like many other genres. so that inherently implies and does indeed mean I like to experiment and take interest in many niche genres. by your "if in doubt, go without" philosophy, I would be limiting myself from possibly enriching my gaming knowledge even further than i already do enrich it. so piracy to me is a tool of discovery and quality testing, not a way to get free games.

think about it this way: if i hadn't have pirated and emulated dodonpachi dai ou jou, I might not have even been interested enough in the SHMUP genre to consider buying DDPR when it comes out here. the fact i have pirated and emulated DOJ means i have had the opportunity to get exposure to this and as a result, have more of a general interest in the SHMUP genre AND also guarantee my first day purchase of DDPR when it gets released here in october. and it has also meant that I will support any other CAVE shooter RSG bring out over here in the future. It was the reason i was even close to hyped about deathsmiles and the reason i pre-ordered deathsmiles.

you say piracy HARMS the games industry? at least in cases like mine that is far from true. Piracy can act as many a thing. to some people it is free games unfortunately but to me it's exposure and quality assurance before i buy. I reiterate: By your philosophy, i would not have bought deathsmiles and i would not be planning to buy DDPR on release. me not pirating in DOJ in any way whatsoever would have LOST cave and RSG my money, not gained them my money.

this doesn't just apply to games. I could probably link a couple of artists who thrive because their work was pirated and good enough that people bought it after. but that wouldn't change your mind from thinking all people who pirate are "dirty scum of the earth" so there is no point.

[Elixir]

If you give someone who under no circumstances whatsoever would've bought the game,

Yes, if an unobtainable percentage of imaginary persons x are caught under your delusionary situation created entirely for this counter-argument at hand, they're absolutely not hurting the developer in any way shape of form.

You are helping the devs, because there is a chance that the pirate will tell his friends about the game, or him maybe buying it, or creating a fan page about it etc.

If everyone took the attitude of "oh well, I'll just pirate it first!", nothing would get sold. Maybe after you get around that "because I want to and because I can, o btw also some beneficial stuff could happen!" scenario you'll start to see the bigger picture.

Please think before posting, this is an incredibly stupid way to go about it. To your other sniding chid paragraphs, they can be basically all replied with "correct".

...what entitlement complex are you onabout? are you referring to the fact I want to form a opinion of a game that's reliable? and you say collectively the sources are reliable. there has been many a time where all the opinions thrown around in multiple reviews and by people who play the let's plays/livestreams conflict. if i wanted to try and form a reliable view on a game from conflicting opinions, i'd ask 4chan's /v/ board, not professional reviewers that have extra vested interest by way of the fact they are paid to review it.
and you really think that developers don't change stuff between trials and full games?

The entitlement complex which compels you into creating a page-long justification of piracy, discrediting all possible alternatives because they're slightly maybe perhaps not reliable enough. 4chan? I see you're setting your sights high. You want to be told "it's shit" by 200 pasty white Americans who haven't even heard about the game and rave on about things like Phoenix Wright and Elite Beat Agents? Sounds like a reliable source. Or you could just ask people here, who actually know what they're talking about.

and FYI, i've been gaming for most of my life. but i have a wide interest. so yes, while i like CoD4 for example, i also tend to like many other genres. so that inherently implies and does indeed mean I like to experiment and take interest in many niche genres. by your "if in doubt, go without" philosophy, I would be limiting myself from possibly enriching my gaming knowledge even further than i already do enrich it. so piracy to me is a tool of discovery and quality testing, not a way to get free games.

You might be involved in this genre at present, but you really are the most mainstream kind of gamer. You're claiming that reputable, "AAA" popular titles like CoD4 are perfectly fine to blindly purchase yet niche game genres (you know, that you're skeptical of) deserve to be pirated (or, degraded to less than that of your current interests) in order to "enrich your gaming knowledge". You are not entitled to "quality test" anything, if you were, circumventions to prevent you in doing so wouldn't exist. If you're so unhappy with companies/game developers and their methods of exposure before purchase, why would you still go to the effort of pirating before giving them money? It accomplishes nothing.

think about it this way: if i hadn't have pirated and emulated dodonpachi dai ou jou, I might not have even been interested enough in the SHMUP genre to consider buying DDPR when it comes out here. the fact i have pirated and emulated DOJ means i have had the opportunity to get exposure to this and as a result, have more of a general interest in the SHMUP genre AND also guarantee my first day purchase of DDPR when it gets released here in october. and it has also meant that I will support any other CAVE shooter RSG bring out over here in the future. It was the reason i was even close to hyped about deathsmiles and the reason i pre-ordered deathsmiles.

That entitlement complex. What gives you the right to trial something that others have paid for? RSG and Cave aren't losing anything because your allocation of money didn't exist until pirating DOJ. So what, do you expect companies to just GIVE their older games away in hopes that consumers will buy their newer material?

Actually, to over 90% of people who pirate games, it's for free games. I'm glad you feel so defined. What I'm hearing is that you've pirated DOJ, yet you haven't bought it. RSG and Cave aren't losing anything because your allocation of money didn't exist until pirating DOJ. So what, do you expect companies to just GIVE their older games away in hopes that consumers will buy their newer material?

I don't really want to point out your underlying reason for piracy, after all I'm not here to degrade you, but it's obvious now. I wasn't sure, but things like the hiring fee making the full purchase irrelevant and future purchases because of piracy really tipped it off. Oh well.

[power UP]

That entitlement complex. What gives you the right to trial something that others have paid for?

You are such a baby lol.
Whats next, free sex is bad because others pay for prostitutes? WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT... I PAYED FOR THESE SLUTS.

You might be involved in this genre at present, but you really are the most mainstream kind of gamer. You're claiming that reputable, "AAA" popular titles like CoD4 are perfectly fine to blindly purchase yet niche game genres deserve to be pirated.

He never said he "blindly" purchases mainstream games. Also what kinda snobby attitude is that.
And he never said that some genres "deserve" to be pirated. It was about testing a genre he doesn't know anything about.

So what, do you expect companies to just GIVE their older games away in hopes that consumers will buy their newer material?

Some developers are actually doing this, Rockstar for example. Are you seriously proposing that every kind of piracy is bad? Tell me then how all the people on this forum whould've gotten into the genre. You know that most of them got into it with MAME.
Also tell me how YOU got into the genre.

[JJXB]

The entitlement complex which compels you into creating a page-long justification of piracy, discrediting all possible alternatives because they're slightly maybe perhaps not reliable enough. 4chan? I see you're setting your sights high. You want to be told "it's shit" by 200 pasty white Americans who haven't even heard about the game and rave on about things like Phoenix Wright and Elite Beat Agents? Sounds like a reliable source. Or you could just ask people here, who actually know what they're talking about.

I was making a point with 4chan. you really think i want to form an opinion with the assistance of material from a group of people (reviewers) who half the time contradict each other because their trade is trying to word their opinions in a professional manner? if you're asking me to trust reviewers then you might as well say "go to 4chan for game advice" since there's just as many contradictions in different reviewer's opinions and different 4chan posters opinions.
and nothing against anyone on here but it's still opinions. and due to human nature, you will always get contradiction between opinions.

hell, i could go as far as to say that THIS whole argument in itself is proof. your opinion is that no matter what piracy is wrong. mine is that piracy while a morally grey area isn't always a bad thing. a difference/contradiction of opinion. that in itself is why i want to form the opinion of the game myself, not rely on the opinions of others who are because of human nature, likely to possibly disagree with another given opinion to form my opinion.

You might be involved in this genre at present, but you really are the most mainstream kind of gamer. You're claiming that reputable, "AAA" popular titles like CoD4 are perfectly fine to blindly purchase yet niche game genres (you know, that you're skeptical of) deserve to be pirated (or, degraded to less than that of your current interests) in order to "enrich your gaming knowledge". You are not entitled to "quality test" anything, if you were, circumventions to prevent you in doing so wouldn't exist. If you're so unhappy with companies/game developers and their methods of exposure before purchase, why would you still go to the effort of pirating before giving them money? It accomplishes nothing.

Actually, I never implied "niche genres" deserve to be pirated. I simply stated that piracy allowed me to expand my horizons into the genres. infact, i am far less skeptical of said "niche genres" because of my experience with "mainstream genres". and while yes i pirate SHMUP's, i don't pirate them because they are a "niche genre". I pirate those because I am not willing to have a hefty import tax put on my fucking purchase just because they don't release it here. the fact that DDPR is coming out here means I will buy it. no import tax shit is even possible when it's available without import. Will I buy ESPGaluda for example? If it gets no local release? Nope. If it gets a localized release? HELL FUCKING YES. so stop misreading why I have pirated DOJ for example.

That entitlement complex. What gives you the right to trial something that others have paid for? RSG and Cave aren't losing anything because your allocation of money didn't exist until pirating DOJ. So what, do you expect companies to just GIVE their older games away in hopes that consumers will buy their newer material?

Actually, to over 90% of people who pirate games, it's for free games. I'm glad you feel so defined. What I'm hearing is that you've pirated DOJ, yet you haven't bought it. RSG and Cave aren't losing anything because your allocation of money didn't exist until pirating DOJ. So what, do you expect companies to just GIVE their older games away in hopes that consumers will buy their newer material?

I don't really want to point out your underlying reason for piracy, after all I'm not here to degrade you, but it's obvious now. I wasn't sure, but things like the hiring fee making the full purchase irrelevant and future purchases because of piracy really tipped it off. Oh well.

...I see no "entitlement" in the part of my post you quoted. I was stating that Piracy led to awareness and interest. awareness and interest led to purchase potential. what would detract from purchase potential? how about lack of availability. what would contribute to that? taxes on imports.
so say I did go ahead and import Mushihimesama Futari 1.5 for £21.58. now that is reasonable. then British customs finds when it enters the country and says "Oh look, an import... TAXED". suddenly I have to pay through the nose, possibly putting it out of my current price range thus making it unavailable which removes purchase potential.

So, It's not that i don't want to buy it. It's that If i do go to buy it in the current state it is (namely import only) then I get penalized for trying to legitimately obtain it and that just makes me think "what's the point?". and that isn't taking into account region locking on most games that would only be circumvented by way of modding or buying a foreign console. which means a much bigger penalty for trying to legitimately obtain something that isn't available in the UK.

If CAVE started releasing their 360 backlog here in the UK (DOJBLEX, KEX, ESPGalII etc) I would legitimately buy them. but if they remain import only then I will not buy because I am not willing to be penalized for trying to obtain a legitimate copy of the game.
And don't give me this bollocks of "but gifts don't get import taxed" because from what I gather, even things marked as "Gifts" are taxed if reason is found.

So in no way do I say that I want CAVE to give their older games away for nothing. I say that I do want to buy them but the factors above prevent me from doing so. remove those factors and I will buy. The fact that DFK is having those factors removed means I will buy. the fact that Deathsmiles had those factors removed meant I bought it. and yes while a pirated copy of DOJ did help spark extra interest, I would have bought it if the factors above had not been an issue. so cave would have made some money off of me from a pirated copy's existence in my possession. does that mean it takes 1 person to make cave realize this? nope. it takes a dedicated fanbase. and this forum is evidence in itself that some of this stuff would have demand. so I lay no claim that my money would make a big impact.

but you know what? your attitude of "all pirates are scum and are wrong" needs a serious fucking readjustment to see that some of it is a symptom of laws and a company's lack of action, some of it is because someone wants a non-biased opinion on a game without having to sift through possibly biased sources that contradict each other. sure some people want free games but lumping every pirate into the "lol he wants free games" category is just fucking wrong. piracy will always be a grey area. the difference is if you are ignorant and if you are at least informed. and you are just being totally fucking ignorant towards the many factors that contribute to why piracy exists. I can see that yes you think piracy is wrong. but it's like religion: If someone has a different belief you can react 2 ways: either say "i disagree but I respect that you might have some valid points" or you can say "YOU ARE WRONG. WRONG WRONG WRONG. I AM RIGHT".

I am trying to at least respect that you think piracy is wrong. but it's a little difficult when you are interpreting understandable reasons for piracy as "I want free games" and reacting in the second way I listed. so yes I can see that you think that piracy is wrong and that these are all excuses. but when you have been burned even when you did once trust reviews and all of that other shit or refuse to be punished for importing a legitimate game, you see it from the point of "want to buy but can't or unsure". stop being so ignorant to multiple points of view. I am at least willing to see that you want to maintain that moral perspective as a whole but please be less fucking dense about the fact that other people have different perspectives and while you don't have to like their points of view, you you could at least understand that point of view without being a dick.

[Bananamatic]

You might be involved in this genre at present, but you really are the most mainstream kind of gamer.

[Elixir]

Some developers are actually doing this, Rockstar for example. Are you seriously proposing that every kind of piracy is bad?

Also tell me how YOU got into the genre.

It's perfectly fine if the original creators allow so, I never said otherwise.

My first experience with shmups? Sub Terrania for Megadrive, I remember buying it from a used furniture shop.. $25 NZ, 95... 96?, not sure which year. I also remember the location.

Ugh, did you really have to assume the mass majority of the forum entered the genre through MAME, or some piracy medium? I see through this, but it's really fit for an entirely different matter. I know this isn't the response that you wanted, you wanted me to think "oh shit, I entered through MAME, now how will I respond", but it isn't so.

I was making a point with 4chan. you really think i want to form an opinion with the assistance of material from a group of people (reviewers) who half the time contradict each other because their trade is trying to word their opinions in a professional manner? if you're asking me to trust reviewers then you might as well say "go to 4chan for game advice" since there's just as many contradictions in different reviewer's opinions and different 4chan posters opinions.
and nothing against anyone on here but it's still opinions. and due to human nature, you will always get contradiction between opinions.

Or you could just ignore reviews and opt for the live streams, videos, screenshots, game trials, hiring and screenshots to form your own opinion of the game before purchasing. You know, those things that you've been discrediting? You seem to think that all reviews are paid for, which is not true. I mean, a lot of them are, but you're bound to get more out of them than "it's shit" from someone on 4chan. And it's not like you're forced to take either method.

hell, i could go as far as to say that THIS whole argument in itself is proof. your opinion is that no matter what piracy is wrong. mine is that piracy while a morally grey area isn't always a bad thing. a difference/contradiction of opinion. that in itself is why i want to form the opinion of the game myself, not rely on the opinions of others who are because of human nature, likely to possibly disagree with another given opinion to form my opinion.

OK, few problems with this. First of all, you couldn't use this argument as proof, because there are no contradictions here. Secondly, you're now restricting yourself to reviews, as if no other medium exists. There are no opinions vs. opinions, because my "opinion" is a fact: piracy is illegal and unjustifiable. My opinion can be disregarded, but the fact still remains. Your opinion is otherwise, and just like I said in my original post: sugarcoating.

See how far your "isn't always a bad thing" gets you in court.

Import tax sucks, but it's not at all the developer's fault, so why they should be punished for something out of their control? I'm not a corporate mouth and I'm not trying to suck up to any corporation out there, but seriously. Things like "living in a PAL region", import tax, and any other reasons ("it's not in my language/it's region-locked/it's not being localized") are only reasons that would fuel an entitlement complex. The thing is though, you're not out of options, and it's not like the previous generation where you're forced to mod your console to play overseas material. PS3's region-free, a JP 360 is an excellent investment, and the PSP and DS are also both regionless.

Maybe the previous generations and restrictions like these are what drew you into pirating to begin with? After all, you did say it was DOJ.

[BIL]

I owe Edge Magazine for their excellent DDP DOJ and Psyvariar 2: The WTF reviews getting me into shooters.

[Zorator]

So has this thread changed anyone's mind about the merits of piracy or emulation? Didn't think so...

Seriously though, naysayers are never going to convince piraters to stop. Likewise you aren't going to convince someone who wants everyone to pay out the ass for PCB's and imports that it's okay for you to pirate or emulate a game that's available.

Since I'm not going to waste my time reading through this mess, can someone clarify what we can and cannot discuss here about Demul 0.5.7? Am I correct to assume that it's a no-no until the public version gets released?

[Bananamatic]

I owe zun for letting me pirate his crappy work so I could eventually move onto ACTUAL SHMUPS I'M GOING TO BUY

see piracy isn't bad

[Udderdude]

Wait there are people that actually pay for Touhou games?

[Bananamatic]

I almost paid with my soul until Cave set me free

[Udderdude]

Amen brotha.

[captpain]

I almost paid with my soul until Cave set me free

[mjclark]

Since I'm not going to waste my time reading through this mess, can someone clarify what we can and cannot discuss here about Demul 0.5.7? Am I correct to assume that it's a no-no until the public version gets released?

We can discuss all that's presently known about it, the YouTube previews, the politics of the devs, the legitimacy of emulating recent releases as well as the technicalities of the drivers etc but we can't link to anything no way no how.
We should also discuss what we will all do the day it is released.
Personally, I will sing "Amazing Grace" or possibly "Morning has Broken" through a toilet roll tube out of my bathroom window facing the direction of Tokyo