CAVE Shooting Collection X360

[CID]

Looks like the Play-Asia orders went pretty fast.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Looks like the Play-Asia orders went pretty fast.

So it's only a very limited release then, shame I was secretly hoping it would be a larger print run and I could pick one up in 2-3 months when I'm abit richer.

If those super-plays were just stock clearence as someone suggests then it explains the small print run. I wouldn't put it passed CAVE doing a cheaper release minus the super play DVDs (which would be great for me)

Who's double-dipping here?

"someone" is already pretty disgusted with the very notion that people might do that at all....

Not disgusted, disbelieving. It's your cash folks, buy the same shit five times over if it suits you you.

Well I guess whoever does will make a killing off resales

[Skykid]

Well I guess whoever does will make a killing off resales

100% dependent on DLC tethering. If it's independent DLC, this box could be a very profitable investment. If it's tied to the XBLA account, then you bought a cheaply produced repro box with some clearance DVD's thrown in, I don't see it climbing much.

As soon as someone gets the first one in, we'll know, but it's just so weird that it's taken this long and Cave still haven't bothered to mention if the DLC is independent - I would have assumed that would have been a critical point of sale.

[Blue_Ray]

Yeah, the DLC being independent would make this a buy for me. So it's probably not, and by the time people find out, this will have been sold out. Sneaky CAVE.

[monouchi]

Yeah, the DLC being independent would make this a buy for me. So it's probably not, and by the time people find out, this will have been sold out. Sneaky CAVE.

+1

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Well I guess whoever does will make a killing off resales

100% dependent on DLC tethering. If it's independent DLC, this box could be a very profitable investment. If it's tied to the XBLA account, then you bought a cheaply produced repro box with some clearance DVD's thrown in, I don't see it climbing much.

As soon as someone gets the first one in, we'll know, but it's just so weird that it's taken this long and Cave still haven't bothered to mention if the DLC is independent - I would have assumed that would have been a critical point of sale.

I see, I just assumed that the DLC would be independent. I would hazard a guess if it's tied to an account they would have to include codes to enable the DLC on the account, kinda like a pre order DLC with everything on disk.

Whatever the case I would bet money on these been collectors items in the future so long as CAVE doesn't devalue them by releasing more in the future. (which they might very well do)

[Skykid]

Well I guess whoever does will make a killing off resales

100% dependent on DLC tethering. If it's independent DLC, this box could be a very profitable investment. If it's tied to the XBLA account, then you bought a cheaply produced repro box with some clearance DVD's thrown in, I don't see it climbing much.

As soon as someone gets the first one in, we'll know, but it's just so weird that it's taken this long and Cave still haven't bothered to mention if the DLC is independent - I would have assumed that would have been a critical point of sale.

I see, I just assumed that the DLC would be independent. I would hazard a guess if it's tied to an account they would have to include codes to enable the DLC on the account, kinda like a pre order DLC with everything on disk.

Whatever the case I would bet money on these been collectors items in the future so long as CAVE doesn't devalue them by releasing more in the future. (which they might very well do)

I believe that if the DLC isn't independent, stand alone LE's will retain better overall value in future. If there's one thing I've learned over the years, people will pay anything for printed paper and cardboard.

[Rupert H]

I'm 99% sure it will be independent. Cave said it will include every bit of DLC they have ever made -- including all the Gamerpics and themes. Plucking a number out of thin air that going to be some 50+ DLC items? There's no way they would give you 50 16-digit codes to input.

Not to mention the fact they already stated that there is a DLC disc in the package. If the disc contains the data there's no way they could even tie this to redeemable codes. You put the disc in, it copies it all (DRM-free) to your hard disk. That's the way it worked with the Fallout/Elder Scrolls series.

There are some GotY editions of games that come with all of the DLC as redeemable codes, but they are just pieces of paper with numbers on -- not a disc loaded with data.

[Stevas]

You know, as much as I love Cave games, the way they run their "business" is making it real easy for me to feel okay about pirating the very fuck out them.

[Aleksei]

I'm tired of people bitching about "the way CAVE does business", I'm going to write and article explaining their general business based on consumer observations and what I've learned in a couple of business and accounting classes.

[Stevas]

I look forward to reading what you haphazardly and clumsily regurgitate.

[Skykid]

Not to mention the fact they already stated that there is a DLC disc in the package. If the disc contains the data there's no way they could even tie this to redeemable codes. You put the disc in, it copies it all (DRM-free) to your hard disk.

Sweet, you won't mind if I borrow your DLC disk to copy everything to my HD then? (Assuming you're buying one, because I'm definitely not.)

[Rupert H]

And what makes you think I'm buying one?

Okay, busted, of course I'm buying it. I hadn't planned to but I got offered it for Japan RRP and didn't have the self-control to say no.

Sure, I'll happily be the official UK provider of all free Cave DLC.

[Paradigm]

You know, as much as I love Cave games, the way they run their "business" is making it real easy for me to feel okay about pirating the very fuck out them.

Get the fuck out.

Nobody's forcing you to buy this collection, it's there for people who want it - and evidently some do. If people want to support Cave and put some (desperately needed) money in their pocket, how on earth is that a bad thing? All of these games have SE versions available, not to mention the additional PAL and Platinum/Best releases all at very reasonable prices. There's really no excuse to "pirate the fuck out of them" and you'd have to be an absolute cunt to boast about it.

[Stevas]

Aside from the (not irrelevant) fact that I reside in EU, this appears to be a limited print run (seemingly) designed to either gouge as much cash out of fans as they can, or subsidise the ebay hoarding scum who plague this genre.

I actually do want to support Cave. Evidently, they don't want my support.

Not boasting about anything. It actually pisses me off that I sometimes feel driven to pirate. Still: way to completely miss the point. Not that I expected better of the average fanboy, mind.

Oh, and I am an absolute cunt. And proud of it. You have absolutely no idea on what level, or in what way I am a cunt. Still, amusing that you feel moved enough to both call me that, or believe for a second I should give even half a flying shit that you think that of me.

Edit: I should add, I've bought everything they have actually made it possible for me to. All PAL releases. Anything that is region free. Not that that should make a difference to the foam you're doubtless still wiping from your mouth.

[ancestral-knowledge]

You know, as much as I love Cave games, the way they run their "business" is making it real easy for me to feel okay about pirating the very fuck out them.

then fucking buy a copy and then play your retarded mame bullshit version

[Skykid]

And what makes you think I'm buying one?

Okay, busted, of course I'm buying it. I hadn't planned to but I got offered it for Japan RRP and didn't have the self-control to say no.

Ha ha, sucker! This makes up for not blowing all your hard earned money on Cave pcbs (almost.)

Official Japan RRP sounds like a Gary special to me - there's got to be some profit in there somewhere.

Anyway, I'll be ready to leech all your non-tethered, completely independent and transferable DLC for free to my hard drive at a later date. Thanking you kindly for your charity and investment.

[Thjodbjorn]

Edit: I should add, I've bought everything they have actually made it possible for me to. All PAL releases. Anything that is region free. Not that that should make a difference to the foam you're doubtless still wiping from your mouth.

You have a really strange sense of the word "possible".

[NTSC-J]

I gotta say, while this forum isn't always sunshine and sugar, news of this collection has really brought out the worst in people around here.

[Stevas]

Edit: I should add, I've bought everything they have actually made it possible for me to. All PAL releases. Anything that is region free. Not that that should make a difference to the foam you're doubtless still wiping from your mouth.

You have a really strange sense of the word "possible".

Possibly.

I gotta say, while this forum isn't always sunshine and sugar, news of this collection has really brought out the worst in people around here.

If this is directed at me, then: wrong. I've always been this much of a cunt.

[Jack Burton]

Not to mention the fact they already stated that there is a DLC disc in the package. If the disc contains the data there's no way they could even tie this to redeemable codes. You put the disc in, it copies it all (DRM-free) to your hard disk.

Sweet, you won't mind if I borrow your DLC disk to copy everything to my HD then? (Assuming you're buying one, because I'm definitely not.)

This is why I think the dlc disk is going to be tied to one user profile somehow. I can't see Cave letting that situation happen.

[Rupert H]

Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been a single game on 360 that has ever employed that kind of control over disc-based DLC. Do we really think Cave will have developed some bespoke solution? As I said, Bethesda have done this with Fallout/Elder Scrolls and I have acquired all of this DLC for free through disc sharing.

Realistically I can't believe Cave would even care about sharing at this late stage. They've sold those games once already, and anybody serious about them has purchased the DLC already. This is purely for posterity's sake, and clearing out super play overstocks. I doubt they have any grand profit forecasts for their Xbox DLC sales.

[Skykid]

Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been a single game on 360 that has ever employed that kind of control over disc-based DLC. Do we really think Cave will have developed some bespoke solution? As I said, Bethesda have done this with Fallout/Elder Scrolls and I have acquired all of this DLC for free through disc sharing.

Realistically I can't believe Cave would even care about sharing at this late stage. They've sold those games once already, and anybody serious about them has purchased the DLC already. This is purely for posterity's sake, and clearing out super play overstocks. I doubt they have any grand profit forecasts for their Xbox DLC sales.

Makes sense to me. The limited number of these wouldn't really affect the online DLC sales much anyway.

If this is directed at me, then: wrong. I've always been this much of a cunt.

Bit self-deprecating Stevie, you didn't say anything that hasn't been said already. Cave's practices have been completely shit for years, ever since the reprint mania of everything collectors held dear on YHJ. As a business needing to survive, however, we ultimately forgive them the milking and lack of new products, and in some cases buy all their stuff multiple times over. As sheep to the shmups, we'll miss them when they're gone.

Re: PAL releases, it's not really Cave you should have a bone of contention with, it's not like their games are really popular in the west. Poor old Rising Star bit the bullet and found this out the hard way.

[VixyNyan]

I still wish I could buy that DLC disc, or at least buy any redeem codes for the very rare full voice DLCs for some of these games.

[Jack Burton]

Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been a single game on 360 that has ever employed that kind of control over disc-based DLC. Do we really think Cave will have developed some bespoke solution? As I said, Bethesda have done this with Fallout/Elder Scrolls and I have acquired all of this DLC for free through disc sharing.

Realistically I can't believe Cave would even care about sharing at this late stage. They've sold those games once already, and anybody serious about them has purchased the DLC already. This is purely for posterity's sake, and clearing out super play overstocks. I doubt they have any grand profit forecasts for their Xbox DLC sales.

Good points.

I haven't gotten any disc based dlc before. Interesting. If this is the case, I'm sure people will have no problem getting their hands on the disc (either borrow the disc, or temporarily buy the collection). (For those of you who were just interested in the dlc disc)

[Stevas]

If this is directed at me, then: wrong. I've always been this much of a cunt.

Bit self-deprecating Stevie, you didn't say anything that hasn't been said already. Cave's practices have been completely shit for years, ever since the reprint mania of everything collectors held dear on YHJ. As a business needing to survive, however, we ultimately forgive them the milking and lack of new products, and in some cases buy all their stuff multiple times over. As sheep to the shmups, we'll miss them when they're gone.

Re: PAL releases, it's not really Cave you should have a bone of contention with, it's not like their games are really popular in the west. Poor old Rising Star bit the bullet and found this out the hard way.

Regarding the self-deprecation, that rather depends on a) how much of a cunt I am, and b) how bothered I am about it. As far as I'm concerned: I'm exactly the correct level of cunt, I'll have you know.

As for the PAL comment... yeah, okay, you got me. It still feels, however, like they could do something - anything - to meet me halfway, rather than just "hey, we're Cave! You love us! GIVE US YOUR MONEY ALREADY." Not region locking SDOJ, for example.

[emphatic]

Couldn't they just include ONE code that applies too all the available DLCs on the disc though? That would really hurt the resale value of this collection for people who plays the thing.

[Rupert H]

I've never seen it done. If you have a redeemable code (Gears of War 2 GotY's All Fronts DLC for example), it downloads the DLC in its entirety from Microsoft's servers. If the data's on a disc it's just a matter of putting it in your 360 once and copying it. There's never been a disc with DLC data on it that requires an activation code before you can copy/access it.

[Fudoh]

Maybe they changed the disc IDs of the actual games, so the on-disc DLC will only work with the games FROM THE BOXSET and not with the versions sold earlier.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Considering just how limited this collection is I can't see that many ppl willing to pass them around friends even if it's possible to do so.

I gotta say, while this forum isn't always sunshine and sugar, news of this collection has really brought out the worst in people around here.

I agree, I'm not sure how ppl can be angry at CAVE for this, You get just about everything but SOJ and the kitchen sink for a price cheaper than the individual parts it's hardly gouging imo.
Infact I wish it wasn't a limited thing and there was enough copies to keep import stores stocked for years, as I'm still missing Mushi and the rest of the region locked games. Since CAVE took the effort to print up and change to the game disks I would hope they wouldn't just waste the time and effort on a few limited Ed copies, especially If they are in financial dire straits like we think they are.

I think I'm gonna hold off buying DS2X and the other locked games for a while and see if they do so.