Now that you've got some stuff on the ships up, I ought to toss in something I've been meaning to bring up...I've wondered whether the speed ratings found on the Batrider instruction card would also apply accurately to the Garegga and Mahou ships in this game as well. According to the copy I'm looking at on the Sheep's/rtw's site, they're rated like this, on a scale of 1 to 12 (only Golden is rated a full 12, and Shorty's the slowest, at 2):
Silver Sword - 5
Grass Hopper - 4
Flying Baron - 7
Wild Snail - 3
Gain - 9
Chitta - 7
Miyamoto - 11
Bornnam - 4
Off the cuff those ratings seem at least fairly accurate (the parallels between Grass Hopper/Bornnam and Flying Baron/Chitta are at least pretty close) but I figured someone else would probably want to test this out more "scientifically" than I have.
ST: Battle Garegga (20.7.14 - edits, record replays list)
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How come when I'm doing a very slow single fire tap on the popcorn enemies before the stage 1 boss, I always end up somehow programming the most massive rapidfire into the software auto-fire memory thing? It's really frustrating having that kind of fire-rate in a game that raises rank for shooting. Especially when I don't MEAN to use the 8-second program thing. And even weirder still, how does it turn
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He has 6 wing propellers, 4 in back and 2 in front. What I do is kill 2 of the 4 rear propellers, then focus on all the junk in his core. The goal is to leave 1 of the big central missile launchers alive, and if you are careful you can hit his core without damaging that missile launcher, thus avoiding the evil bullet spread.
He has 6 wing propellers, 4 in back and 2 in front. What I do is kill 2 of the 4 rear propellers, then focus on all the junk in his core. The goal is to leave 1 of the big central missile launchers alive, and if you are careful you can hit his core without damaging that missile launcher, thus avoiding the evil bullet spread.
Quick question - I have my A button set to Shot 6, is this the default rate, that is, the rate at which Shot is initially set? I do this to prevent myself from accidentally increasing the rank early on in the game. It just seems 'wrong' that shot 1-5 would be Saturn-exclusive. I'm sure we went through this awhile ago, but it's been so long since I played it that I've lost most of my already limited knowledge of the game.
Anyway I'm going for a clear with a decent score by August, maybe not a world-record breaker but something where I understand what needs to be done with each boss coupled with decent execution. The stage 2 flamingoes were always kind of a pain with the Bat, which ship are they easiest with? The Baron? I dunno why they're so problematic while the bosses are not, I just could never get a consistent score out of them.
Anyway I'm going for a clear with a decent score by August, maybe not a world-record breaker but something where I understand what needs to be done with each boss coupled with decent execution. The stage 2 flamingoes were always kind of a pain with the Bat, which ship are they easiest with? The Baron? I dunno why they're so problematic while the bosses are not, I just could never get a consistent score out of them.
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Just wanted to say that Garegga is an awfully complex game, but this guide really makes things easier for everyone. Normally it'd take months to do well at this game, but now even a shmup beginner can be good at it rather quickly, thanks to all the info posted here. Thanks to Icarus and everyone who helped make this ST.
I have one question, though - to select the Mahou ships, I know I need to input the code UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT A B C START after putting in a credit. But no matter how many times I try, the guest ships won't appear. Do I need an specific ROM version or emulator for this to work? Do I need to press the buttons A B C at the same time, rather than in sequence (so far I'm trying in sequence)? I have no idea what I'm doing wrong...
I have one question, though - to select the Mahou ships, I know I need to input the code UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT A B C START after putting in a credit. But no matter how many times I try, the guest ships won't appear. Do I need an specific ROM version or emulator for this to work? Do I need to press the buttons A B C at the same time, rather than in sequence (so far I'm trying in sequence)? I have no idea what I'm doing wrong...
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I don't know about difference between version or emulators ( I have wolfMAME ) but I've always entered the code in sequence and usually as fast as I like. It's not like bakraid where you do 1 input per second. Pretty annoying code though because it has to be done every time you come back to the title screen. Maybe check to see that none of your buttons are assigned to overlapping buttons, remove auto-fire etc...Not much help to you sorry...
I think there may be a ROM version somewhere that disables the Guest Ships, but if you're using the Japanese set, the code should work fine. Insert a credit, put the code in (in sequence), and then press start, and it should work.Ruldra wrote:I have one question, though - to select the Mahou ships, I know I need to input the code UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT A B C START after putting in a credit. But no matter how many times I try, the guest ships won't appear. Do I need an specific ROM version or emulator for this to work? Do I need to press the buttons A B C at the same time, rather than in sequence (so far I'm trying in sequence)? I have no idea what I'm doing wrong...
Alternatively, you could try to use the IPS patches that zakk posted here, to enable them all the time.
About the section for Mad Ball - the guide says to wait for the "audible chime" signaling the activation of the inner turrets before attacking with a bomb.
This was confusing for me at first, since the center turret's cue seemed to match the description more closely than the inner turrets' squeaky click. (I'm playing in MAME.)
Later I saw your Bornnam replay on Saturn from the score thread, and the inner turret ring made the exact same sound as the center turret.
Are the sounds supposed to differ this way?
This was confusing for me at first, since the center turret's cue seemed to match the description more closely than the inner turrets' squeaky click. (I'm playing in MAME.)
Later I saw your Bornnam replay on Saturn from the score thread, and the inner turret ring made the exact same sound as the center turret.
Are the sounds supposed to differ this way?
Your party has been waylaid by monsters.
MAME doesn't emulate the sounds totally accurately I think, therefore the inner turrets will activate to what sounds like a "click" instead of a chime.
The timing for the attack is the same, however - if you want to make it a bit easier for yourself, count attack patterns: the inner turrets will activate after five separate attack patterns from the outer turrets.
The timing for the attack is the same, however - if you want to make it a bit easier for yourself, count attack patterns: the inner turrets will activate after five separate attack patterns from the outer turrets.
Some observations about playing with Gain:
Mad Ball
Timing is everything.
One small mistake can cost a lot and you have to know exactly when and where to drop the first bomb. With Gain you don't necessarily have to wait five attack cycles in order to drop it. If you're lucky you can use it before his second attack! So when exactly? Watch the boss' movement closely, if Mad Ball is moving slightly downwards, it's your chance. If the boss is at the very top some parts won't be on screen during his attack and can't be hit by your bomb. As if that wouldn't be enough, you're also not able to destroy his parts if they are in the upper 1/10 of the screen (common feature in Raizing games like Batrider, Ibara etc.: enemies in the upper 1/10 of the screen seem to be invincible).
Make sure he’s under the red line when you bomb. You can use the green “Insert Coin” text as a reference.
Now if he's at the right place it's equally important to know when to use the bomb. You actually have to drop it before the outer ring starts to spread out, so that all parts are destroyed at the same time before they shoot their first bullets. Try to press the bomb button right before the outer turrets are completely closed from the last attack cycle! It's essentially important that the bomb covers all parts at once.
The perfect placement for the bomb would be exactly the middle, but since he's moving around, it's quite difficult to know where this is. The best is to drop the bomb right before he’s going to stop for a moment, so that all his parts are destroyed the next time he starts moving again.
Either you have destroyed all inner turrets already (if you had to wait longer for Mad Ball to move down) or you now have to take them out one by one. Set your options to back formation and keep shooting during the attack patterns. Everytime he stops firing, you do the same. Try not to harm the main body too much. Use the same strategy for the central turret aswell.
If done correctly, you roughly get:
outer ring: ~1.000.000
inner ring: ~250.000
central turret: ~50.000
main body: ~100.000
=1.400.000
And since you get another 1,4mill from Mad Ball Mk 2, this is, besides the flamingoes and Black Heart Mk 2, one of the key scoring tricks of the game!
Mad Ball
Timing is everything.
One small mistake can cost a lot and you have to know exactly when and where to drop the first bomb. With Gain you don't necessarily have to wait five attack cycles in order to drop it. If you're lucky you can use it before his second attack! So when exactly? Watch the boss' movement closely, if Mad Ball is moving slightly downwards, it's your chance. If the boss is at the very top some parts won't be on screen during his attack and can't be hit by your bomb. As if that wouldn't be enough, you're also not able to destroy his parts if they are in the upper 1/10 of the screen (common feature in Raizing games like Batrider, Ibara etc.: enemies in the upper 1/10 of the screen seem to be invincible).
Make sure he’s under the red line when you bomb. You can use the green “Insert Coin” text as a reference.
Now if he's at the right place it's equally important to know when to use the bomb. You actually have to drop it before the outer ring starts to spread out, so that all parts are destroyed at the same time before they shoot their first bullets. Try to press the bomb button right before the outer turrets are completely closed from the last attack cycle! It's essentially important that the bomb covers all parts at once.
The perfect placement for the bomb would be exactly the middle, but since he's moving around, it's quite difficult to know where this is. The best is to drop the bomb right before he’s going to stop for a moment, so that all his parts are destroyed the next time he starts moving again.
Either you have destroyed all inner turrets already (if you had to wait longer for Mad Ball to move down) or you now have to take them out one by one. Set your options to back formation and keep shooting during the attack patterns. Everytime he stops firing, you do the same. Try not to harm the main body too much. Use the same strategy for the central turret aswell.
If done correctly, you roughly get:
outer ring: ~1.000.000
inner ring: ~250.000
central turret: ~50.000
main body: ~100.000
=1.400.000
And since you get another 1,4mill from Mad Ball Mk 2, this is, besides the flamingoes and Black Heart Mk 2, one of the key scoring tricks of the game!
Yes, you are correct. It is best to wait until the boss is low down on the screen before you attack, otherwise you have a few turrets in the buffer and you lose those points. This is also why you see many players stalling the boss in replays, because they are waiting for the right time to attack.
Ibara features two side deadzones as well, about 1/20th of the screen on the left and right side are buffers where enemies are often invincible. This is most noticeable when doing the hadou scoring trick at Kasumi and Teresa.
Ibara features two side deadzones as well, about 1/20th of the screen on the left and right side are buffers where enemies are often invincible. This is most noticeable when doing the hadou scoring trick at Kasumi and Teresa.
Can I maybe force you another time to come out of retirement, please? 
A Bornnam ALL and a Flying Baron ALL are still waiting for you and there's always some time for good ol' Garegga.
A Bornnam ALL and a Flying Baron ALL are still waiting for you and there's always some time for good ol' Garegga.
This is not quite correct. You only want to kill the green enemies on the right side with a well placed bomb to get a 20k bonus (10*2000). The red enemies on the left side don't give you any points, whether you use Shot or Bomb doesn't matter.Icarus wrote:STATIONARY FLYING ENEMIES:
Just after the 1UP location you will see a large group of stationary "flying" enemies. If you use Weapon on all of these, then you'll get around 1,000pts per enemy destroyed. These drones also follow the item drop sequence as well, and every enemy here will drop an item at their location, so be careful how you go about destroying the enemies and picking up the spoils.
Stage 5 - Flying platforms
Each flying platform has 4 propellers which can only be destroyed with Weapon and give you 5.000 points each. Before you can hit the main body, you first destroy the cockpit, that shoots an aimed three-way shot at you. (the main body shoots a 5-way one) It’s worth 5.000 if destroyed with Weapon or penetrative bullets and 10.000 if destroyed with non penetrative Shot. Finally the main body is worth 10.000 if destroyed with Weapon or penetrative bullets and 20.000 if destroyed with non penetrative Shot.
@Twiddle
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Each flying platform has 4 propellers which can only be destroyed with Weapon and give you 5.000 points each. Before you can hit the main body, you first destroy the cockpit, that shoots an aimed three-way shot at you. (the main body shoots a 5-way one) It’s worth 5.000 if destroyed with Weapon or penetrative bullets and 10.000 if destroyed with non penetrative Shot. Finally the main body is worth 10.000 if destroyed with Weapon or penetrative bullets and 20.000 if destroyed with non penetrative Shot.
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propellers: 4*5.000 = 20.000
cockpit: 10.000
main body: 20.000
=50.000
No u
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Stage 4 - Pipes, watertanks and tank hangars
The watertanks on the left give you 4*10.000 = 40.000 if destroyed with Weapon. The small pipes give you 1.000 and can only be destroyed with Weapon. After it’s destruction, the small tanks will fire at you. Later on you will encounter another set of these small pipes.
The big pipe on the left can only be destroyed with Weapon and gives you, besides an Option power up, a 10.000 bonus. There are 3 big pipes found troughout the stage. The small pipes on the right can only be destroyed with Weapon and give you 5*10.000 = 50.000. On top of that, every pipe will uncover two medals. If your medal value is maxed out, this makes (5*10.000) + (5*2*10.000) = 150.000!
These tank hangars can only be destroyed with Weapon. While their destruction won’t give you any points at all, they will uncover 4 medals each. There are plenty of them to be found during the stage, so keep an eye on them.
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Of course a large map would've been much better, but for the time being, I guess this is sufficient.
The watertanks on the left give you 4*10.000 = 40.000 if destroyed with Weapon. The small pipes give you 1.000 and can only be destroyed with Weapon. After it’s destruction, the small tanks will fire at you. Later on you will encounter another set of these small pipes.
The big pipe on the left can only be destroyed with Weapon and gives you, besides an Option power up, a 10.000 bonus. There are 3 big pipes found troughout the stage. The small pipes on the right can only be destroyed with Weapon and give you 5*10.000 = 50.000. On top of that, every pipe will uncover two medals. If your medal value is maxed out, this makes (5*10.000) + (5*2*10.000) = 150.000!
These tank hangars can only be destroyed with Weapon. While their destruction won’t give you any points at all, they will uncover 4 medals each. There are plenty of them to be found during the stage, so keep an eye on them.
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Of course a large map would've been much better, but for the time being, I guess this is sufficient.
Stage 6 - Opening
Right at the start of stage 6 you’ll encounter the most difficult section to hold your medalchain. Consistently getting through this part without losing a medal is quite a good challenge, I still break my chain there over 50%. There are 4 phases of midsize enemies and while the third and fourth phase are really easy, the first two and especially the second is really hard. Without a proper strategy you’ll be lost here, no luck can help you.
Let’s take a closer look at the second phase, where you encounter 3 gunblimps at once. Each gunblimp consists of 3 main parts, the main body and two wings, whereas each wing has 4 small turrets and 1 propeller.
Know your enemy!
The first thing to do, is to set you options to spread, or even better, front formation and shoot the right part of the right gunblimp to destroy its 4 turrets on that side.
However, if you were too slow with the first phase of enemies or you don’t feel safe collecting these first four medals, you can also set you options to back formation and shoot the mainbody to destroy the right gunblimp early on.
Stay underneath the turrets between the red lines, so you can collect the 4 falling medals without too much risk. Only make vertical dodges for the bullets.
The situation should look like on the following pic:
Next is to fly over to the left side of the screen and position yourself to the left of the gunblimp. It’s important that you not just crash into the gunblimp to suicide, because this way, your shrapnel won’t hit the turrets on the side you’ve crashed into. Just stay on the side and wait for one of the bullets to hit you.
After your revival it rains medals! But don’t panic, it’s easy to pick them all up if you do it right. Since you’re invincible for the next 2-3 seconds you don’t have to care about any bullets and can concentrate on getting all the medals. The best is to collect them in the order that is shown on the screenshot. You don’t necessarily have to collect the medals in the red square, if you get all from the fourth column you won’t break your chain. While collecting the medals, you should also shoot the remaining gunblimps to destroy them, they won’t spew any more medals, so you can concentrate on getting the falling ones.
If you have somehow missed a line of medals, STOP shooting to wait for another medal to maybe fall down from the popcorn enemies of the next section. There’s a high chance you can get lucky here.
Right at the start of stage 6 you’ll encounter the most difficult section to hold your medalchain. Consistently getting through this part without losing a medal is quite a good challenge, I still break my chain there over 50%. There are 4 phases of midsize enemies and while the third and fourth phase are really easy, the first two and especially the second is really hard. Without a proper strategy you’ll be lost here, no luck can help you.
Let’s take a closer look at the second phase, where you encounter 3 gunblimps at once. Each gunblimp consists of 3 main parts, the main body and two wings, whereas each wing has 4 small turrets and 1 propeller.
Know your enemy!
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main body: 1,000
propeller: 5,000*2 = 10,000
turret: 1,000*8 = 8,000
= 19,000However, if you were too slow with the first phase of enemies or you don’t feel safe collecting these first four medals, you can also set you options to back formation and shoot the mainbody to destroy the right gunblimp early on.
Stay underneath the turrets between the red lines, so you can collect the 4 falling medals without too much risk. Only make vertical dodges for the bullets.
The situation should look like on the following pic:
Next is to fly over to the left side of the screen and position yourself to the left of the gunblimp. It’s important that you not just crash into the gunblimp to suicide, because this way, your shrapnel won’t hit the turrets on the side you’ve crashed into. Just stay on the side and wait for one of the bullets to hit you.
After your revival it rains medals! But don’t panic, it’s easy to pick them all up if you do it right. Since you’re invincible for the next 2-3 seconds you don’t have to care about any bullets and can concentrate on getting all the medals. The best is to collect them in the order that is shown on the screenshot. You don’t necessarily have to collect the medals in the red square, if you get all from the fourth column you won’t break your chain. While collecting the medals, you should also shoot the remaining gunblimps to destroy them, they won’t spew any more medals, so you can concentrate on getting the falling ones.
If you have somehow missed a line of medals, STOP shooting to wait for another medal to maybe fall down from the popcorn enemies of the next section. There’s a high chance you can get lucky here.
Wow, someone's been busy. ^_-
I'll add this stuff to the guide in a sec. Keep it coming Plasmo, and grats on your current scores.
As for a complete pic of the st5 giant bomber, the only image I have is taken from the Handbook, and is kind of small.
You can find other items in the st5 segment of one of the links you sent me, however.
I'll add this stuff to the guide in a sec. Keep it coming Plasmo, and grats on your current scores.
As for a complete pic of the st5 giant bomber, the only image I have is taken from the Handbook, and is kind of small.
You can find other items in the st5 segment of one of the links you sent me, however.
Red homing enemy
Not an important scoring trick, but since it’s easy and I couldn’t find any information elsewhere, I think it’s worth mentioning here.
This enemy is worth 2,000 points if destroyed with bomb.
You’ll encounter a wave of 16 of these enemies in stage 2, right after the section, where the tanks roll over the little houses. There are enough small bomb segments from the ground turrets. Make sure you use one bomb segment to destroy at least two red homing enemies. The other red popcorn enemy isn’t worth anything, so you don’t have to worry about them.
=32,000 points
In stage 4, a wave of 32 of these small enemies starts to appear when you arrive at the five small pipes, that give you two medals each. It’s a tad more difficult to kill them all with bomb, but still manageable.
=64,000 points
Not an important scoring trick, but since it’s easy and I couldn’t find any information elsewhere, I think it’s worth mentioning here.
This enemy is worth 2,000 points if destroyed with bomb.
You’ll encounter a wave of 16 of these enemies in stage 2, right after the section, where the tanks roll over the little houses. There are enough small bomb segments from the ground turrets. Make sure you use one bomb segment to destroy at least two red homing enemies. The other red popcorn enemy isn’t worth anything, so you don’t have to worry about them.
=32,000 points
In stage 4, a wave of 32 of these small enemies starts to appear when you arrive at the five small pipes, that give you two medals each. It’s a tad more difficult to kill them all with bomb, but still manageable.
=64,000 points
