Man this guy really opened up shop

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:54 pm

What about reporting him to the freaking IDSA or Sony itself? With evidence in hand?

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:07 pm

Oh, Kron already did that Spec. He's lookin out for the kids.

Pa

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:15 pm

Hehe i once saw an ebay seller selling CD cases which included "free" DC games with them

there is nothing illegal about "giving" away bootlegs with cd cases is there?
or is it illegal to distribute for free pirate material?

i dont mind if people buy these

it would hardly take up a large % of the market anyways - most of these games are well old now

Post by **system11** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:37 pm

DC906270 wrote:there is nothing illegal about "giving" away bootlegs with cd cases is there? or is it illegal to distribute for free pirate material?

Yes, it's still illegal.

DC906270 wrote:i dont mind if people buy these

You should. We're all on this forum because we like shmups. It's a niche genre, unit sales are low. Take Mushihimesama as an example. Every copy that scumbag POS sells is potentially one less copy that Taito sell. In a niche genre, even small volumes matter. Take Triangle Service for another example - if 500 sales of their game went to a pirate, that would be a serious problem.

We need shmups to continue to be financially viable. You think Cave would keep making them if they started to make a loss on them? Not on your life. Ditto Taito with the porting efforts.

I hope someone shuts him down. I've done my part, hopefully ebay will do theirs.

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:49 pm

bloodflowers wrote:I've done my part, hopefully ebay will do theirs.

Now that's what I wanna hear! Fuck interweb complaints to sites not related. ACTION!!!

Respect.

Pa

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:37 pm

bloodflowers wrote:I've done my part, hopefully ebay will do theirs.

Did you buy one of his games? What does he say in his auctions? Does he flat out say they are illegal backups, and you need a mod chip to play them? I wouldn't mind spending $15 if it would prevent him from selling them on Ebay.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:48 pm

Just the fact that he says "HK distribution copy" should be enough to tip the Copyright Nazis on ebay. They are the first ones to warn people against CDs pressed in Hong Kong, you know all that with the Berne convention and all that.

Mind you, I've downloaded PCE ISOs in the past, so I probably cannot cast the first stone against this guy. The difference is that Nec is no longer benefiting from their games, (and after I get bored of it I erase the CDRW I play with on ME), and this bastard is robbing Cave and others of their hard earned money. People who buy those HK silvers have their PS2s modded anyway, so there's no excuse not to go the legal way and buy an official import. Which can be found at good prices if you know where to look.

Post by **system11** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:53 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
bloodflowers wrote:I've done my part, hopefully ebay will do theirs.
Did you buy one of his games? What does he say in his auctions? Does he flat out say they are illegal backups, and you need a mod chip to play them? I wouldn't mind spending $15 if it would prevent him from selling them on Ebay.

I reported a selection of his items to ebay - picking particularly the shmups and then other PS2 stuff to fill the maximum 10.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:19 pm

On a related note, I'm curious as to whether they'll let this one stay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Make-your-Own-PS2-G ... dZViewItem

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:10 pm

Looks like the 8th Man is down to about four items nowadays. That Sex and the City set does look delicious. Well played bloodflowers.

Pa

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:20 pm

His tagline:

"Awh yeah! the8th_man, has a store. "Its all good" and "keepin it real" for your fun and entertainment."

Word.

Koa Zo · Post by **Koa Zo** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:44 am

bloodflowers wrote: ...We're all on this forum because we like shmups. It's a niche genre, unit sales are low. Take Mushihimesama as an example. Every copy that scumbag POS sells is potentially one less copy that Taito sell...

Just to be Devil’s advocate: the same thing applies for selling and trading used copies of games. It clearly states on most Japanese games “Not For Export” and “Not For Re-Sale”, yet many of us have no regard for this.
I don’t buy bootlegs because of the inferior packaging. But I really have no problem with bootlegs of out-of-print merchandise – fuck-it, the publishers aren’t benefiting from all the used game sales that take place on eBay – in fact they are ultimately hurt because that is less money that gamers have available to spend on new product.
And while import game sales are less likely to have a negative impact on the market, they still diminish sales of any particular game if it is eventually localized.

dial911 · Post by **dial911** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:54 am

Respect, Good job bloodflowers!

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:50 am

Nice going bloodflowers, you're a hero to us all. I would have done it after getting home from work but looks like everything's working out after all!

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:59 am

Heh, serves the guy right.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:23 am

PaCrappa wrote: I am able to tell that people who import Japanese games are nerds.

I'm sure you'll make lots of friends around here with such ignorant generalizations dancing in your head.

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:45 am

Oh my goodness... The pain. Cry me a river.

I import Japanese videogames. Alot. Do the math, wise one.

Pa

Post by **system11** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:24 pm

Koa Zo wrote:
bloodflowers wrote: ...We're all on this forum because we like shmups. It's a niche genre, unit sales are low. Take Mushihimesama as an example. Every copy that scumbag POS sells is potentially one less copy that Taito sell...
Just to be Devil’s advocate: the same thing applies for selling and trading used copies of games. It clearly states on most Japanese games “Not For Export” and “Not For Re-Sale”, yet many of us have no regard for this.
I don’t buy bootlegs because of the inferior packaging. But I really have no problem with bootlegs of out-of-print merchandise – fuck-it, the publishers aren’t benefiting from all the used game sales that take place on eBay – in fact they are ultimately hurt because that is less money that gamers have available to spend on new product.
And while import game sales are less likely to have a negative impact on the market, they still diminish sales of any particular game if it is eventually localized.

Yes - they're not for export, but us importing them does not hurt the genre. As for re-sale, well it'd be nice for the companies if all players bought them individually - but let's face it, that's not realistic or just. The no resale clause is just as unfair to consumers (and I suspect, legally unenforceable) as pirating is to producers.

As for bootlegging stuff that's out of print - it's still illegal, but if no money is being made and the game was reasonably past re-run date, personally I wouldn't shed too many tears. I actually believe copyright should expire much more quickly than it does, unless the owner puts said item back into production. Companies buy laws though, not voters.

The localisation thing is an interesting point, with regards to importing - but hey, what's the best way for a genre fan to be fair and realistic? That's right - buy from the main market, keeping it stronger - we all know what is going to happen to local ports anyway - they're doomed before the pressings even happen. Bargain bins and mail-order only, and there's not enough of us to change that by buying locally.