Could you rephase this sentence for me? It is a bit ambiguous.Super Glob wrote: The + is for the fact I feel you can learn to tap dodge to a more accurate level relative to the free flowing movement on a D-Pad.
Neer understood the mindset here. Granted, the PS & PS2 d-pad doesn't have a visible diagonal, but I've found that it's just as easy to pull off diagonals on a PS d-pad as any other standard pad. The one d-pad I have used that makes diagonals (& other fancy movements) more fluent is the NES Max pad. I think the lack of "visible" diagonals is more a jedi mind trick than an actual real issue.Diabollokus wrote:'Sat pad all the way, Lack of ps diagonals puts me off,
Actually, the lack of a "visible" diagonal on the PS/PS2 stock pad does affect movement a bit, but it's more because of comfort - while a Saturn pad is a circular disc and you can "feel" the diagonal point you press, the PS stock pads don't have that point to press on, so it can be easier to miss the diagonal because you have to press two buttons at once - rather than any mindset.FRO wrote:Neer understood the mindset here. Granted, the PS & PS2 d-pad doesn't have a visible diagonal, but I've found that it's just as easy to pull off diagonals on a PS d-pad as any other standard pad.
Hmmm, good job on actually providing a legitimate argument instead of just calling ure argument superior for some unknown reason in the hope that ppl will believe u have a reason for this. I've used joysticks in arcades, and just find them not as responsive as analog sticks because of how you must move your whole hand or arm to move, instead of just a flick of the thumb. I've already addressed d-pads in my last argument, and since you brought up no real responces to any of my points, I'll just let you refer to my last post if you feel like making an actual argument. But I will say that I was so intrigued by all these ppl favoring d-pads, that I started playing through my Battle Garegga rom with the d-pad on my Wingman controller(although its not the best d-pad out there, if analog sticks were really as useless as you ppl say, even this crappy d-pad would better my game), but my game was shot to hell, and I started dying multiple times in the first level, but with my trusty analog stick, I can at least get past the first level untouched. Now maybe its just the case of not "getting used" to the d-pad, or some crap like that. But thats just the thing, I've never remembered a learning curve to the analog stick, and I have used d-pads before, so I think I would be familiar with one.professor ganson wrote:If you prefer analog control for shmups, then you are not in a position to appreciate the quality of the PS2 Logitech dpad. Hence, I will not bother responding to your further comment:zimmy wrote:I still prefer the ease and comfort of an analog stick.
zimmy wrote: Somebody mentioned the logitech cordless as a good option for a ps2 d-pad and I cannot be more horrified, I couldn't stand that thing and would often replace it with a regular controller, despite having considerably less range due to lots of wire tangling behind my uncle's TV.
Note: I am NOT claiming that the Logitech is as good as the Saturn pad for PS2. I haven't yet tried the latter.professor ganson wrote: Not only is it really nice to have cordless, but the dpad is ultra responsive, perfect for tap dodging, a very comfortable location and fit for the thumb, just the right size for the thumb, not overly loose or tight feeling... basically everything I want from a dpad. My only concern is longevity: they are known to break. Even the cost is acceptable if you find one used or on sale. But maybe you are talking about some other Logitech product.
There's love for keyboards?? O_O This is news...infested_ysy wrote:And where's the love for keyboards? :p
Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
Yes, it's cheaper to buy the converter if you only game at home, but it's more difficult to carry a real Saturn pad (6' cable) and the 3in1 converter. The USB pad has a short cable (2') and it fits in my laptop bag with minimal bulk.kidneythief wrote:jeeze thats expensive....... converter is probably the better option there
It's USB so you can use a spare USB extension cable. For desktop I recommend the 3in1 adapter with a real Saturn pad. That's about 7 feet.bigbadboaz wrote:The cable is TWO FEET long??? Are you freaking kidding me? What about people who want to use it on a desktop?
I'm just going to guess about this but... does it involve mounting a sanwa joystick into a X arcade panel? sounds like a pretty cake mod to me, but i dunno exactly whats inside an X arcade either so..Triple Lei wrote:Can anyone tell me about Sanwa mods for my X-Arcade stick? I got a PM about it on the old board and I wasn't smart enough to save the page...
Exactly the same for me. It was so hard switching to a stick after using pads for so many years. But I have far better control over a shmup now than I ever did with a pad.iatneH wrote:I think it will be helpful not only for newbies, but also for anyone thinking of making a change over to another control setup. I remember when I made the switch over to arcade sticks (from D-pad), and I was so horrible at it that I almost gave up.
I kept at it and now I'm better with a stick than I could ever hope to be with a pad. Good luck!
