Arcade Stick for SHMUP

[Stevens]

I personally prefer playing shmups with a dpad, while I prefer an arcade stick for fighting games.

You're not alone. Arcade stick with a square gate all day for Claw/Chun Li.

[amdiggywhut]

caught this on a fg thread on neogaf, thought it might be of interest

Could you link this post so I can read more? It's appreciated. These numbers are pretty surprising to me.

[sojtrash]

Could you link this post so I can read more? It's appreciated. These numbers are pretty surprising to me.

here you go

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... tcount=348

[Lordgalvar-II]

Could you link this post so I can read more? It's appreciated. These numbers are pretty surprising to me.

here you go

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... tcount=348

Why would the Qanba Q4 sticks have different lag times? Would it be that the PCBs are from different production runs, somebfirmware thing, or is it more of a flaw in the study? I know the overall difference is probably neglegable but it is still weird.

It is good to know that there is somewhat different performance on the systems with the dual system sticks.

[sojtrash]

i would lean towards different production runs myself. I'm still surprised input lag for wired controllers even exists ^^;

[shmuppyLove]

i would lean towards different production runs myself. I'm still surprised input lag for wired controllers even exists ^^;

It's because the PCB has to encode the input into whatever signal format the system requires, then the system has to decode it on the other side. Assuming the decoding process is always the same on the system side, the only variable would be how fast the joystick PCB is at encoding, which will depend on board and IC design as well as firmware. Lots of room for variation.

I actually have very little idea what I'm talking about, but in my mind this makes sense.

[nosorrow]

How's the Hori Real Arcade VF stick for playing Saturn and Dreamcast shooters (the latter via a controller adapter)?

Here's an example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Saturn-HOR ... 461a061b03

[sojtrash]

It's because the PCB has to encode the input into whatever signal format the system requires, then the system has to decode it on the other side. Assuming the decoding process is always the same on the system side, the only variable would be how fast the joystick PCB is at encoding, which will depend on board and IC design as well as firmware. Lots of room for variation.

I actually have very little idea what I'm talking about, but in my mind this makes sense.

I think I kinda get it, kind of like setting up one of those universal remote controls

How's the Hori Real Arcade VF stick for playing Saturn and Dreamcast shooters (the latter via a controller adapter)?

Hori usually makes pretty high quality stuff, should be good

[Lordgalvar-II]

i would lean towards different production runs myself. I'm still surprised input lag for wired controllers even exists ^^;

It's because the PCB has to encode the input into whatever signal format the system requires, then the system has to decode it on the other side. Assuming the decoding process is always the same on the system side, the only variable would be how fast the joystick PCB is at encoding, which will depend on board and IC design as well as firmware. Lots of room for variation.

I actually have very little idea what I'm talking about, but in my mind this makes sense.

I guess I missed the spot in the "study" that mentioned that the black Qanba has a different PCB than the other 3 ( I just reread the thing).

I think that much of the lag differences is with how each system handles USB itself. USB is dependent on the system's processor and bandwidth and is shared amongst devices. I would think that using two sticks on the same bus would create lag in the one that has less priority at that moment. Probably a better way to isolate stick speed would be to create a dedicated program (using xna or whatever) on the system to rule out the USB variable. Also, if the hard drive is accessed via USB wouldn't that contribute to stick input lag?

With the PS3's cell setup, I assume that the main processor is running the USB instead of pushing it to run off of one of the co-processors. Which could be one reason that sticks perform a bit better on the 360.

I know that with my old USB audio and midi/USB interfaces, latency was always a problem. Its probably gotten better since computers are more powerful but FireWire and standalone devices were, and probably, are superior.

FireWire might have been better for input especially on a PC. Or DIN/MIDI or direct input controller.

On the other hand, most of this input lag is pretty insignificant for video game play (might be more prominent on a PC).

That Qanba Q4 black seems decent though.