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Bananamatic wrote:
Skykid wrote:The fact remains: imagery and occurrences shape your sexual programming. If you're exposed to it, it can influence the way you define personal sexual attraction.
why not ban everything sexual and illegal then
i'm pretty sure guro is worse than vanilla loli
Who said anything about a ban? I'm just explaining how influences can dictate preferences

Lest it need repeating, some activities are illegal for a very good reason, which is why I'm curious how HenAi will justify his statement.
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for starters 3D females are nothing like 2D
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Bananamatic wrote:for starters 3D females are nothing like 2D
This, a lot.

Lots of things I like exclusively for each. Lots of really gross things I like on the 2D side, lots of silly things I like on 3D side.

Example: I love hime cuts on 3D, hate them on 2D.
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2D must have something in common with 3D if you're experiencing a sexual response to it.
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Mortificator wrote:2D must have something in common with 3D if you're experiencing a sexual response to it.
It's a female, and that's about where the things in common end
Waifu people aren't looking for a real gf to try the "real thing" - why would lolicons do the same? It's also not just the physical attraction but the personality and stuff. And real life 10 year olds are far from the "cute imouto" stereotype. They are probably annoying as shit.

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Bananamatic wrote:They are probably annoying as shit.
No probably about it.
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Well I'm glad I invested so much energy in to this conversation.

Now that we're talking about how sexually attractive an illustrated child's personality is, "and not just the physical stuff", I think I'll call it a day.
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Speaking of changing the law, I just heard rather bewildering stuff on the radio about recent Israeli regulations of the illegal immigrants matter. Little do I know how their legislation works thus I'm not sure how serious it is, but I didn't like the sound of it.
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Obiwanshinobi wrote:Speaking of changing the law, I just heard rather bewildering stuff on the radio about recent Israeli regulations of the illegal immigrants matter. Little do I know how their legislation works thus I'm not sure how serious it is, but I didn't like the sound of it.
India just reinstated a ban on being gay. Sorry Asians, but broad sweeping statements about the region being in the fucking stone ages must be made!
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Obiwanshinobi wrote:Speaking of changing the law, I just heard rather bewildering stuff on the radio about recent Israeli regulations of the illegal immigrants matter. Little do I know how their legislation works thus I'm not sure how serious it is, but I didn't like the sound of it.
India just reinstated a ban on being gay. Sorry Asians, but broad sweeping statements about the region being in the fucking stone ages must be made!
And that's not even mentioning the fascist anti-gay laws in Singapore and Malaysia. Then we also have TV programs in Korea slut-shaming girls for dating white guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B09FXOZVw4g
This actually makes Japan look relatively progressive IMO. Sure there's tons of anti-foreign sentiment but you're not going to see such a blatantly xenophobic piece on a major network over here
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^ Brilliant.

Actually it's fairly rare to see mixed race couples in Korea. I only saw a few in the Hongik University district (where a lot of that footage is filmed.)

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I didn't think Korea would be that bad. In some parts of Seoul women tried to put both of their hands in my pants -- one in the front, and the other going after the wallet! So much more shameful than Hong Kong's contractual hookers (hostesses) who at least have the decency to grab you by the arm and forcefully pull you into their establishment for "just one drink". I will say this, Asia is aggressive when it wants to be.
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Since the thread has been derailed a bit, this and this older article may not be too irrelevant. Didn't even know Japan had death penalty. That at this day and age prisoners are still hanged sounds a bit scary too.
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Yeah, they and the US are the only members of the G8 with the death penalty. For Japan, you have to murder more than one person though to get the death penalty. Maybe one child, but likely not.

There's a few trains of thought on Japan's fucked up system. Japan claims that they "relieve the prisoner of the burden of knowing the day they will die". Amnesty International has been calling shenanigans on them for years though, and I tend to agree that it is psychologically cruel to just one day pop up and say "okay, you're about to hang". Before anyone jumps up and and says "fuck them, they're criminals" take into account Japan's judicial system, and it's 99.7% conviction rate. Sorry, nobody is that accurate.

My personal belief is that the state should be bigger than the individual, thus making the death penalty a bit childish (not to mention archaic). As a parent, I do not chastise my child in the exact same way that he fucked up. I also believe no system is perfect, and the risk of executing an innocent is extremely high, and not acceptable. Finally, I don't think it's a deterrent.

So anyway, yeah. If you want some good reading, Google around for Japan's judicial system. Definitely some head scratchers in there.
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humans are being farmed for profit by capitalists and having our freedoms and RIGHTS taken away yet people in this thread are complaining about not being allowed to sexually fetishize pre-pubescents :lol:

newsflash you have no RIGHT to sexually fetishize pre-pubescents.. even if there was no human laws stopping such things any human being that truly knows RIGHT from wrong knows that wanting to have sex with a human who is not ready for sexual reproduction goes against natural law.
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Skykid wrote:
Mostly upbringing, studies have shown...
Citation needed.
Skykid wrote: Your sexual programming is largely determined by your influences during years of sexual development.
Citation needed.
Skykid wrote: Anal sex has become more popular than oral sex in the west, say studies of sexual practices.
Citation needed.
Skykid wrote:Again, Japan is not predominantly youth-fixated because of a genetic strain, it's because they're bombarded with suggestive sexual imagery and material that fixates on youthfulness.
Big citation needed.
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Skykid wrote:Again, Japan is not predominantly youth-fixated because of a genetic strain, it's because they're bombarded with suggestive sexual imagery and material that fixates on youthfulness.
Big citation needed.
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This would be a hard one to cite, but it's pretty apparent. There's an old saying that women are like Christmas Cake. Great, but only until the 25th [birthday]. Women are damaged goods in their 30's. Huge cougar potential that's totally untapped. It's pretty sad, actually.
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Genetics and environment shape sexual orientation

On homosexual orientation:

“Overall, genetics accounted for around 35 per cent of the differences between men in homosexual behavior and other individual-specific environmental factors (that is, not societal attitudes, family or parenting which are shared by twins) accounted for around 64 per cent."

Parents shape their children's sexual preferences(Article on rubber fetishism:)

"This basic developmental system, one in which certain salient childhood events “imprint” our psychosexuality, may not be terribly uncommon. In fact, that early childhood experiences mould our adult sexual preferences—specifically, what turns us on and off, however subtle or even unconscious these particular biases may be—could even be run-of-the-mill. And just like the institutionalized rubber-lover, the more carnally humdrum and vanilla among us might also owe our more secret preferences in the bedroom to our becoming aroused, at some point in the distant past, by our own parents, relatives or childhood friends."

Barry McCarthay from Men's Sexual Health: Fitness Satisfying Sex (it's not an exercise book):

"Fetishes usually develop in childhood or adolescence and are controlled by this combination of high secrecy, high eroticism and high shame," McCarthy said. "It's a poisonous combination.

"There are some men who are extremely erotically charged to full-length boots on women and would not be charged by anything else. Usually, this is due to an experience in childhood that, for whatever reason, gave a powerful sexual charge to that object that the man then masturbated to exclusively."


The Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction (article on fetishism and paraphilias):

"Most scientists of sexuality believe that fetishes usually begin early in life, with some incident leading an individual to associate sexual pleasure with a particular object, material or body part. However, Janet Hyde and John Delamater’s great resource Understanding Human Sexuality explains that fetishes can also start after childhood- one study found that it could condition adult men to associate arousal with boots."

Psychologist Dr. Mark Schwartz on arousal patterns:

"Dr. Mark Schwartz, a practicing psychologist in St. Louis, said patients who develop fetishes have often been victims of sexual trauma earlier in life.

"Usually, when someone has a bizarre arousal pattern, there has been something in their past that has made them susceptible to something deviant, or something unusual occurred," Schwartz said.

Schwartz said that individuals who are molested as children by a predator who used a pillow to keep them from screaming might later develop a fetish for erotic asphyxiation."


GaijinPunch PhD on the Asian brain and eastern sexology:

"Step 1) Go to Japan
Step 2) Open Eyes"


Actually, I have no idea why I said anal sex had become more popular "than oral sex" - I actually had to go back and re-read it to make sure I'd written that. A brainfart, I apologise, the sentence should have just said, "become more popular".

Personally I prefer the blowie unless I want a girl complaining and writhing and being generally uncomfortable during intercourse. Although some guys get off on that.
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GaijinPunch wrote:This would be a hard one to cite, but it's pretty apparent. There's an old saying that women are like Christmas Cake. Great, but only until the 25th [birthday]. Women are damaged goods in their 30's. Huge cougar potential that's totally untapped. It's pretty sad, actually.
Isn't that moreso because after 25 they figure they can't bag a handsome salaryman anymore and decide settling isn't worth it?
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Zerst wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:This would be a hard one to cite, but it's pretty apparent. There's an old saying that women are like Christmas Cake. Great, but only until the 25th [birthday]. Women are damaged goods in their 30's. Huge cougar potential that's totally untapped. It's pretty sad, actually.
Isn't that moreso because after 25 they figure they can't bag a handsome salaryman anymore and decide settling isn't worth it?
That's kind of chicken and the egg though, no? In the west, you can be a successful gold digger well into your early 30's. Maybe later if you really take care of yourself.
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charlie chong wrote:newsflash you have no RIGHT to sexually fetishize [...]
Indeed, how dare they commit thoughtcrimes!?
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Skykid wrote:"Dr. Mark Schwartz, a practicing psychologist in St. Louis, said patients who develop fetishes have often been victims of sexual trauma earlier in life.

"Usually, when someone has a bizarre arousal pattern, there has been something in their past that has made them susceptible to something deviant, or something unusual occurred," Schwartz said.
I have always wondered what kind of trauma can lead people to develop a wool fetish (funniest thing on Earth).
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Skykid wrote:Genetics and environment shape sexual orientation

On homosexual orientation:

“Overall, genetics accounted for around 35 per cent of the differences between men in homosexual behavior and other individual-specific environmental factors (that is, not societal attitudes, family or parenting which are shared by twins) accounted for around 64 per cent."
Shocking headline, but I don't think this is doing the work you want it to. It's quite a leap to go from "environmental factors" to "here's stuff that makes everybody gay," because (surprise) not everybody in that environment turns out gay. If you want to say that you'd at least have to have some evidence that Japan has gotten gayer, or something, and I don't think you will find that.
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Ed Oscuro wrote: Shocking headline, but I don't think this is doing the work you want it to.
You've just misunderstood its purpose. It's referring to the previous point raised by Trap15 that sexual preferences are down to genetics. I argued genetics were a lesser factor than influences when it comes to sexual fixations (fetishism), and that's the only point of the excerpt.

Factors explicitly concerning homosexuality are neither here nor there.
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This thread is getting ridiculous...

Frankly, I think its kinda sad that a thread about Japan automatically derails into a thread about pedophilia, gayness, and other types of stuff. When it comes right down to it, it doesn't matter what types of beliefs you have, or what laws are passed, it will still exist somewhere.
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Ed Oscuro wrote: Shocking headline, but I don't think this is doing the work you want it to.
You've just misunderstood its purpose. It's referring to the previous point raised by Trap15
You mean GaijinPunch, right?
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
Skykid wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote: Shocking headline, but I don't think this is doing the work you want it to.
You've just misunderstood its purpose. It's referring to the previous point raised by Trap15
You mean GaijinPunch, right?
No, Trap15.

You need to go back a page. Like I said, I haven't been discussing homosexuality, you just misunderstood the purpose of the quote.
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Uhh. You need to signpost things better. Your only reference within the post is to GP :/
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Pretty sure I said genetics were part of it and so was the environment they grew up in. Let's go back to my post, shall we?
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Uhh. You need to signpost things better. Your only reference within the post is to GP :/
You just weren't following the thread. The entire post was a response to "citation, citation, citation", GP hasn't been involved in the topic fork at all since HenAi insisted on having the same old discussion.
trap15 wrote:Pretty sure I said genetics were part of it and so was the environment they grew up in. Let's go back to my post, shall we?
trap15 wrote:age preference is a mix of genetics and upbringing, and doesn't really change
You did, I was just clarifying my belief that influence is a stronger force than genetics. Don't worry about it, Ed just misunderstood who's replying to whom and to what.
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