Is the consensus that DDP DFK is only good if its BLK LBL?

[Skykid]

DFK is a 2-loop game that has to be played for score to get any kind of challenge out of it. You can't turn off auto bomb.

then 2-all it you champ

I haven't even 1alled it playing for score. I don't know whether that's degrading or if everyone who says it's a cakewalk isn't playing it for score properly.

[Zengeku3]

I don't know whether that's degrading or if everyone who says it's a cakewalk isn't playing it for score properly.

Definitely the former. I don't even know how you can say that you are playing the game properly for score since that involves some rather good survival. A game over on the first loop is not something that just accidentally happens. Rather something that happens because... i dunno. Magic.

If you don't chain stage 5, you're not doing it 'properly' and you can't do that and die and bomb at the same time

EDIT: Also, maybe drop the Power style until you are better?

[ratikal]

DFK BL doesn't even feel like a Donpachi game. Some mechanics are cool, and some of the changes in this mode were fixed and made better in SDOJ (1-loop, difficulty select, requirements to see hibachi/zatzusa). But for the most part, the game is just a mess. Only get BL if BL Arrange is on the disk. That only get's messy if you get to the TLB.

[brentsg]

You just have to pick your poison b/c all you're going to get is everyone's opinion. DFK BL is one of my favorites, and I'm finding myself missing my DFK 1.5 kit.

If you're not buying a kit, just grab the Xbox release and have it all to test out.

[Special World]

DFK 1.5 is the only Cave game that I really don't care for at all. Occasionally I'll play it just to see if I still hate it. Arrange A is okay though.

[evil_ash_xero]

You can deactivate autobombing in 1.5 by not getting hit

Replies like this are bullshit. Sorry dude.

[Skykid]

I don't know whether that's degrading or if everyone who says it's a cakewalk isn't playing it for score properly.

Definitely the former. I don't even know how you can say that you are playing the game properly for score since that involves some rather good survival. A game over on the first loop is not something that just accidentally happens. Rather something that happens because... i dunno. Magic.

If you don't chain stage 5, you're not doing it 'properly' and you can't do that and die and bomb at the same time

EDIT: Also, maybe drop the Power style until you are better?

Wha? I've cleared bomb style way too many times. That's not for me.

Thanks for the degrading, I'll get back on it once I'm back East and continue to spit on the screen in anger every time I get to the laser wheelz and get killed trying to time out the stage 2 ura boss.

[ebarrett]

You can deactivate autobombing in 1.5 by not getting hit

Replies like this are bullshit. Sorry dude.

Unlike "DKF 1.0 scoring is more balanced" replies, or pretty much half this thread which is people talking out of their asses since they have no idea how the games work, right? Get lost.

Edit: in case you feel like replying, first think about this: what is worse, some humour into a discussion that has been had a billion times in other threads, or people giving false information as fact yet again?

[Bananamatic]

Wha? I've cleared bomb style way too many times. That's not for me.

Thanks for the degrading, I'll get back on it once I'm back East and continue to spit on the screen in anger every time I get to the laser wheelz and get killed trying to time out the stage 2 ura boss.

go beat Omote loop with Strong

it's not that fucking hard

[Chaos Phoenixma]

I'm also in the 1.5 > BL group. But you definitely need BL, just for the soundtrack. It's just a shame that the second loop isn't very fun, but that applies to BL's strong style that uses the same patterns. But the BL gameplay systems make even the Bomb/Power styles not fun either.

Also, I'm not sure if people still complain about the bullet canceling Hypers in 1.5 even though you're only supposed to do that at the start of stages, then praise BL for the same stuff when you want to be cancelling all the time. Of course, if Hypers were actually like DOJ where you'd constantly be using them to boost hit count, got rid of the canceling with them, and fixed the second loop patterns , 1.5 could be a much better game.

And DFK Power Style is probably harder than DOJ is, and the game being easy comments are really only for 1-All with Bomb/Strong style.

Also, on the 1.0 comment, can't that be counterstopped in loop 1?

[Bananamatic]

It's just a shame that the second loop isn't very fun

the second loop is fun though

more fun than playing the 1st loop every run

[Cagar]

or people giving false information as fact yet again?

Don't even try to explain how it was "false information". That's the way to go.
edit: "people giving false information as a fact -.-" That's it people, don't say anything unless you're 100% sure

[Xeno]

Does the Golden disaster boss appear everytime in Black label or if not what are the requirements for it to appear?
I would like to have 1cc on this game and get over with it but that asshat has ruined my runs so far.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

It's supposed to be 1cc for Golden Disaster while finishing 2 bosses with full red gauge, while bombing 2 or less times, OR while dying 1 time or less.

So just finish 0 or 1 bosses with full red gauge, bomb more than 2 times, and die at least twice.

For Hibachi, you'll need to meet all those requirements, but you need full red gauge on all 5 bosses. For Zatsuza, you must be on Strong Style, do all the Hibachi stuff, and no death the entire game.

[ratikal]

or people giving false information as fact yet again?

Don't even try to explain how it was "false information". That's the way to go.

1.0 is counterstoppable in stage 5 and I'm sure pretty much has the same mechanics as far as chaining goes.

[Bananamatic]

Wasn't 1.0 ridiculously broken?
bomb icons giving you a full bomb stock
cancels being ridiculously powerful
TLB having a touhou safespot at the final

it looks like a complete mess, if you think these things are ok just because muh autobomb then i dont know

[Cagar]

or people giving false information as fact yet again?

Don't even try to explain how it was "false information". That's the way to go.

1.0 is counterstoppable in stage 5 and I'm sure pretty much has the same mechanics as far as chaining goes.

Wow never heard of a counterstop in dfk before.
Sorry for "giving false information as fact"
EDIT: Any videos or anything? Google, youtube or shmups forum search gave me nothing
I've only seen one 2-ALL video by toarcade on youtube, and it looks different in terms of scoring..
in short: ebarrett, you're being an ass.

[brentsg]

Wow never heard of a counterstop in dfk before.
Sorry for "giving false information as fact"
EDIT: Any videos or anything? Google, youtube or shmups forum search gave me nothing
I've only seen one 2-ALL video by toarcade on youtube, and it looks different in terms of scoring..
in short: ebarrett, you're being an ass.

There's plenty of info just in this forum.

[ratikal]

One of the changes in 1.5 were to add 2 digits to the score counter to a total of 13. If you look at the high scores here, you can see there are many scores that have 12 digits. The other documented changes were just addition to Strong mode and Type B from the start, and the removal of all bombs being refilled from one bomb item. I don't believe there were any changes to the scoring system.

You can check this forum or Wikipedia for sources.

[Zengeku3]

Thanks for the degrading, I'll get back on it once I'm back East and continue to spit on the screen in anger every time I get to the laser wheelz and get killed trying to time out the stage 2 ura boss.

No problem.

[Cagar]

One of the changes in 1.5 were to add 2 digits to the score counter to a total of 13.

2 extra digits on the score counter.

Nothing about "a total of 13."
Whatever.

[Skykid]

Wha? I've cleared bomb style way too many times. That's not for me.

Thanks for the degrading, I'll get back on it once I'm back East and continue to spit on the screen in anger every time I get to the laser wheelz and get killed trying to time out the stage 2 ura boss.

go beat Omote loop with Strong

it's not that fucking hard

Didn't even realise fucking was involved, but I did have a feeling the boss death strip was opportune for liberating sperm. I only play ura, don't like/never attempted the other.

[Bananamatic]

wait are we talking about the ura loop or ura routes

[Skykid]

Route, with all the original bosses. The normal one isn't as good for score right?

[Bananamatic]

I meant the omote loop, as in 2-ALL the game with a Strong style ship

the autobomb really doesn't make it that hard, it's only slightly worse than futari maniac for example

[Zengeku3]

Seconding this. I got to the 2-5 cannon at the end of the stage on my first credit after learning bee locations with a shitty 360 pad.

Anyone should be able to do 2-all of DFK.

[system11]

BL turned a mediocre game into an amazing one.

[Aleksei]

DFK is the game that really got me into coming to shumps forum more because it was the first shmup I bought and spent lots of time on, now a days I just play Ver. L.

[NTSC-J]

One of the changes in 1.5 were to add 2 digits to the score counter to a total of 13.

2 extra digits on the score counter.

Nothing about "a total of 13."
Whatever.

Video of the counter-stop here.

I count 11 digits.

Here's DFK 1.5:


How many digits can you find?

[Cagar]

One of the changes in 1.5 were to add 2 digits to the score counter to a total of 13.

2 extra digits on the score counter.

Nothing about "a total of 13."
Whatever.

Video of the counter-stop here.

I count 11 digits.

Here's DFK 1.5:


How many digits can you find?

Polite, thanks.
Just quit that childish digit-bitching please, the point was that i've never heard/seen a dfk counterstop.
I just don't like fighting on the internet, sorry