IOS Is a terrible shmup platform. (Small Rant)

[Gus]

If someone's going to complain about Cave abandoning their true hardcore fans they should be able to prove they're a true hardcore fan themselves.
That's only fair.

Or is elitism only cool when you're looking down on phone players?

Lol. It is pretty funny how I'm the one who gets knocked for being an elitist in a thread where the OP plainly says that arcade cabinet/stick is the only way to play and that Cave shouldn't be releasing their games on iOS. Maybe it's because I actually care about playing these games rather than being one of those idiots who just knocks on mainstream reviewers/iOS players to try to show how cool and tough I am, IDK.

[Marc]

If someone's going to complain about Cave abandoning their true hardcore fans they should be able to prove they're a true hardcore fan themselves.
That's only fair.

Or is elitism only cool when you're looking down on phone players?

And of the day, the word 'hardcore' is ass. It's like kids arguing over who's the biggest fan of underground band X. End of the day, if you gotten off your ass to buy Cave games on whatever platform, you're going to have and be entitled to have an opinion on the current state of affairs and where Cave seem to be headed. I'm pretty rubbish at shooters but it doesn't mean I'm any less enthusiasic to play these games, or any less saddened by the current situation. The entire forum would be a more pleasant place if we all just accepted that people play these game to differing levels for differing reasons, at the end of the day we're still all into the same shit and the place should be more harmonius than it seems to be lately. I actually have no problem at all with Gus pulling marathon sessions and posting his mind-boggling scores, it affects me not one jot - up until that point where he can't seem to control his mouth.

[Tokyo-J]

To be honest with you anything outside of shmups from Cave is terrible. I really dislike Nin2Jump and Mushihimesama Bug Panic is just not fun. I doubt Instant Brain brings anything new to the table as far as Novel games go.

They need to just stick to what got them famous to begin with. Arcade Shmups!

Most people bought Instant Brain so they could play DDP when they were finished.

[trap15]

Nin2-Jump, that's the fucking shit
And if you disagree, suck a couple pimple-covered dicks
Um, CAVE, that's the fucking clique
CAVE kill them all nigga, triple six

[Gus]

Most people bought Instant Brain so they could play DDP when they were finished.

lol

[Tokyo-J]

They had to include a shmup as incentive for people to even buy the game. If the game supported TATE I would grab it in a heart beat.

Now since Dodonpachi is ported already and so is Dangun Feveron according to festival goers how about a Shmups Greatest Hits 2 Pack featuring both on Xbox 360.

Come on Cave it will take you 2 mins to photo shop a cover together with art assets. Now hop to it!

[TrevHead (TVR)]

The way I see it is that been a bit elitist is fine, its a competative genre after all. Just don't a be too much of a dick about it. Most of us here are still challenging ourselves (even Planky), it's just that we are all at different ability levels. Its not as if we are just half assed players who creditfeed 50 times just to see the ending credits.

Maybe If us average players played nothing but 1 shmup we would be at a high level. But that would the death nail for CAVE, Grev etc.

[Gus]

They had to include a shmup as incentive for people to even buy the game. If the game supported TATE I would grab it in a heart beat.

Except the DDP port got very little advertising if any. Also the game bombed and when EOJ checked a few months ago the best score on the in-game leaderboard only got to 2-3 so not even the most hardcore fans gave a fuck about the half-assed DDP port. Honestly man, I think you should probably lurk for a few more months. You're just embarrassing yourself trying to work an "elitist hardcore fan" gimmick.

The way I see it is that been a bit elitist is fine, its a competative genre after all. Just don't a be too much of a dick about it. Most of us here are still challenging ourselves (even Planky), it's just that we are all at different ability levels. Its not as if we are just half assed players who creditfeed 50 times just to see the ending credits.

Again with this "natural ability" bullshit. Listen man, I used to be just like you. I was spending all this time mulling over these "1ccs" of easy games while not giving a fuck about scoring but then one day when I was watching a few Youtube vids and reading a few posts I suddenly realized something. I was absolute bottom of the barrel trash and all that time I was spending trying to rack up as many cheesy, easy 1ccs as I could would be much better spent just getting good at 1 game. So I read Prom's guide and developed a practice routine I'd follow religiously and picked a game I loved to focus on (Futari God mode) and my skills improved dramatically. The fact is I'm not special. The reason shmups forum sucks at shmups isn't a lack of "ability", it's a lack of interest.

Maybe If us average players

Another thing I hate. If you've been playing for 3 years with no notable scores and are still in that "cheesy, easy 1cc" mindset you're below average.

played nothing but 1 shmup we would be at a high level. But that would the death nail for CAVE, Grev etc.

This much makes no sense whatsoever. Cave isn't gonna go out of a business if an overseas suddenly decides to learn to play.

[Vyxx]

still in that "cheesy, easy 1cc" mindset you're below average.

Gus did you ever 2-ALL Daioujou? Cause you know, it's just a 'cheesy easy 1CC'.

[Giest118]

Another thing I hate. If you've been playing for 3 years with no notable scores and are still in that "cheesy, easy 1cc" mindset you're below average.

Your entire shitty wall of text and the thing that annoys me is that you have no idea what the word "average" means.

Just thought I'd point that out. Also I'll advise everyone to not care about your post, because we all have that badass power.

[NzzpNzzp]

Gus did you ever 2-ALL Daioujou? Cause you know, it's just a 'cheesy easy 1CC'.

Except it's not.

[Drachenherz]

For the next STGT, someone ought to make a team called "Fucking Casuals".

Haha. I'm totally in team "Fucking Casuals". When is the next STGT anyway?

Welcome, fellow fucking casual!

[Kitoari]

The way I see it is that been a bit elitist is fine, its a competative genre after all. Just don't a be too much of a dick about it. Most of us here are still challenging ourselves (even Planky), it's just that we are all at different ability levels. Its not as if we are just half assed players who creditfeed 50 times just to see the ending credits.

Again with this "natural ability" bullshit. Listen man, I used to be just like you. I was spending all this time mulling over these "1ccs" of easy games while not giving a fuck about scoring but then one day when I was watching a few Youtube vids and reading a few posts I suddenly realized something. I was absolute bottom of the barrel trash and all that time I was spending trying to rack up as many cheesy, easy 1ccs as I could would be much better spent just getting good at 1 game. So I read Prom's guide and developed a practice routine I'd follow religiously and picked a game I loved to focus on (Futari God mode) and my skills improved dramatically. The fact is I'm not special. The reason shmups forum sucks at shmups isn't a lack of "ability", it's a lack of interest.

I seriously doubt that you'll care but I feel like explaining something.

I do a lot of things. I've been part of a lot of communities. They're all very different, of course, but a consistent pattern is the existence of people like you. The FE player who raged at me for not always playing for "low turn count". A chess player I met once who was upset that I hadn't spent hours pouring over openings and the tactics of chess. A fellow philosophy bookworm who was amazed I didn't know who George Ainslie was. And, of course, shmup elitists who get mad when people don't play the way they do.

You know that passion you put into Futari? Maybe other people have other places they put it. Maybe they like playing a variety of games instead of focusing on one. Maybe they enjoy being a "fucking casual", and they're athletes, or landscapers, or photographers or something. Maybe they're even like you and they do enjoy that! All those things are perfectly OK. I'm certainly not going to tell people what they're allowed to do with their leisure time. But if you were taking a picture while you were on vacation and some photographer walked up to you and started screaming about how you were a "fucking casual" photographer, you'd rightly consider him an asshole.

In conclusion, there will be "fucking casuals" in any activity humanity can do. I'd suggest getting used to it before you have a heart attack.

[MR_Soren]

But if you were taking a picture while you were on vacation and some photographer walked up to you and started screaming about how you were a "fucking casual" photographer, you'd rightly consider him an asshole.

That's a poor metaphor. In your example, Gus the amateur photographer isn't ranting at the pros about what's what in photography.

A certain level of experience and skill is required before a person can speak authoritatively on a subject. Gus called somebody out for lacking it. He's not giving anybody shit for how they play.

Of course, this arguing is pointless and does far more damage to the TC's thread than Gus ever could.

[Marc]

Amen to that post. The strange thing is, scores aside, he's the fucking troll that Planky was accused of being. Least Planky got a cool nickname. Gus' would be 'twat'. Someone should start a sticky called 'Gus' Greatest Hits' and sticky it. Ten years from now he can read his collective works and marvel at what a plonker he is. Was.

Amen is aimed at the post two above, not the one directly.

[mesh control]

Again with this "natural ability" bullshit. Listen man, I used to be just like you. I was spending all this time mulling over these "1ccs" of easy games while not giving a fuck about scoring but then one day when I was watching a few Youtube vids and reading a few posts I suddenly realized something. I was absolute bottom of the barrel trash and all that time I was spending trying to rack up as many cheesy, easy 1ccs as I could would be much better spent just getting good at 1 game. So I read Prom's guide and developed a practice routine I'd follow religiously and picked a game I loved to focus on (Futari God mode) and my skills improved dramatically. The fact is I'm not special. The reason shmups forum sucks at shmups isn't a lack of "ability", it's a lack of interest.

But you don't leave your house.


edit: ios is great because i can play on the toilet and no one will interrupt me.

[NzzpNzzp]

Has Gus ever actually said that being bad at games is a bad thing? Everyone acts like he demands perfection, but I'm not sure he's ever actually done that.

[Marc]

Has Gus ever actually said that being bad at games is a bad thing? Everyone acts like he demands perfection, but I'm not sure he's ever actually done that.

Do we have to link to every example of bad manners and repetative phrasing?

You are Gus' sock puppet. Or you can't read.

[Bananamatic]

But you don't leave your house.

neither do I

[chum]

Again with this "natural ability" bullshit. Listen man, I used to be just like you. I was spending all this time mulling over these "1ccs" of easy games while not giving a fuck about scoring but then one day when I was watching a few Youtube vids and reading a few posts I suddenly realized something. I was absolute bottom of the barrel trash and all that time I was spending trying to rack up as many cheesy, easy 1ccs as I could would be much better spent just getting good at 1 game. So I read Prom's guide and developed a practice routine I'd follow religiously and picked a game I loved to focus on (Futari God mode) and my skills improved dramatically. The fact is I'm not special. The reason shmups forum sucks at shmups isn't a lack of "ability", it's a lack of interest.

If you had a real interest in the genre you would be playing a variety of different games.

[NzzpNzzp]

Do we have to link to every example of bad manners and repetative phrasing?

You are Gus' sock puppet. Or you can't read.

I just think it's funny that everyone gets in fights with him over him saying that getting good at these games is hard and takes a lot of practice. I don't think anyone's going to argue with that, but you're still getting mad at him.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

I just think it's funny that everyone gets in fights with him over him saying that getting good at these games is hard and takes a lot of practice. I don't think anyone's going to argue with that, but you're still getting mad at him.

No theres nothing wrong about encouraging improvement, but he is been a cunt about it.

Another thing I hate. If you've been playing for 3 years with no notable scores and are still in that "cheesy, easy 1cc" mindset you're below average

And why should you care how good i'm am in the grand scale of things. I dont. My first shmup I 1CCed was Blue Wish Resurrection it took me 2 or 3 months to beat it, while others beat it their first play. I still enjoyed getting it however

But honestly Gus you need to understand just what average is. Futari is one of CAVE's most popular 360 games with it been a region free game. My original 1.5 scoreattack highscore is 179 (mill?) which places me at appox 1100 on the 360 leaderboard. Its a shitty casual scoreplayers score where most ppl who play the game worldwide are casual scoreplayers. Last time I looked on DFK 1.5 PALs leaderboard they were much much worse in the number of half decent scores.

[Vyxx]

Touch screen for any type of Shmup is terrible imo. Controls are key and with a touchscreen it's just not even mediocre, it's terrible.

[trap15]

The way I see it is that been a bit elitist is fine, its a competative genre after all. Just don't a be too much of a dick about it. Most of us here are still challenging ourselves (even Planky), it's just that we are all at different ability levels. Its not as if we are just half assed players who creditfeed 50 times just to see the ending credits.

Again with this "natural ability" bullshit. Listen man, I used to be just like you. I was spending all this time mulling over these "1ccs" of easy games while not giving a fuck about scoring but then one day when I was watching a few Youtube vids and reading a few posts I suddenly realized something. I was absolute bottom of the barrel trash and all that time I was spending trying to rack up as many cheesy, easy 1ccs as I could would be much better spent just getting good at 1 game. So I read Prom's guide and developed a practice routine I'd follow religiously and picked a game I loved to focus on (Futari God mode) and my skills improved dramatically. The fact is I'm not special. The reason shmups forum sucks at shmups isn't a lack of "ability", it's a lack of interest.

Maybe If us average players

Another thing I hate. If you've been playing for 3 years with no notable scores and are still in that "cheesy, easy 1cc" mindset you're below average.

played nothing but 1 shmup we would be at a high level. But that would the death nail for CAVE, Grev etc.

This much makes no sense whatsoever. Cave isn't gonna go out of a business if an overseas suddenly decides to learn to play.

This is a good post. I'm not kidding either; Gus knows what's up.

[JOW]

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This is a good post. I'm not kidding either; Gus knows what's up.

...agreed.

Which is what makes it such a shame that he can't string a fucking convincing argument together. Honestly man, he's been posting here for almost a year, 100s of fucking posts and they're all fucking cheesy easy troll bullshit.

You don't need natural fucking ability to string an argument together and interact with other human beings effectlvely - all it takes is fucking practice and time.

With all those fucking posts over all that fucking time and no obvious fucking improvement, maybe it's either time drop the fucking casual attempts at social interaction or fuck off and troll up 4chan some other fucking casuals forum.

Jeez, if he'd spent at least some of the last fucking 12 months actually getting good at social interaction, instead of making the same fucking provocative bullshit comments over and over, this forum would be a much fucking better place. He may have even convinced some of the fucking casuals on this trainwreck of a forum that he is fucking right.

[Udderdude]

Touchscreen phones suck for most types of games, period. D:

[mesh control]

[AntiFritz]

You all don't think all this gus bashing is getting a bit old? Why don't you all move on and play shmups for once.

[Aliquantic]

You all don't think all this gus bashing is getting a bit old? Why don't you all move on and play shmups for once.

Playing shmups only leads to sadness and disappointment, just talking about them is safer, and more fun to boot! Or just riling up the forum on a near daily basis with little tact or subtlety.

[xbl0x180]

For the next STGT, someone ought to make a team called "Fucking Casuals".

I'd join in a heartbeat

Dude, it just dawned on me we need posting rank titles and "F****** Casual" should be first