Dumbass kid on xbox live caught in action!

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:00 pm

What really pisses me off about spanking and all that BS is that my mother would hit me for the EXACT same shit she'd do to my father. %$#@! (Sorry, I'll go brood in the corner again.)

Going back to the topic at hand, I doubt that kids naturally turn into little jerks. If they see one of their parents being manipulative or abusive, well big surprise, they'll try to be manipulative and abusive to get what they want from others.

It's too sad when a child grows up wanting to be the exact opposite of their parents because they learned from them how NOT to behave.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:08 pm

dave4shmups wrote:What's even more sad is the fact that most child psychologists in America today say that spanking makes kids more aggressive.

Horseshit. It's kids that DON'T get disciplined that end up being more aggressive.

Look... believe it or not, you don't *have* to use violence against children to teach them to 'treat others as they themselves wish to be treated', etc. etc. Unfortunately some parents have never learned how to patiently teach their children about natural consequences of actions, social conscience, leading by example, etc, because the parents themselves may only superficially be aware of such things. And if a child instead learns about ideals of the world through commercial television and MTV, his mind is toast.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:31 pm

Thunder Force wrote:Look... believe it or not, you don't *have* to use violence against children to teach them to 'treat others as they themselves wish to be treated', etc. etc. Unfortunately some parents have never learned how to patiently teach their children about natural consequences of actions, social conscience, leading by example, etc, because the parents themselves may only superficially be aware of such things. And if a child instead learns about ideals of the world through commercial television and MTV, his mind is toast.

But what you say is a form of discipline is it not?
It can be done by fear of punishment for doing something bad, or hope of a reward for doing something good. We're talking about kids that get no form of discipline whatsoever.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:09 pm

Violence is necessary. For example, I keep telling my kid cousin (3 1/2 yrs old) that hurting other people is bad, but he tried to chop my hand off with a book and jumped on my chest while I was sleeping a couple of days ago. He knows he can get away with it 'cause I won't hit the crap outta him. If his mom is around, he'll behave because he knows she WILL kick his little behind.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:10 pm

This reminds, me about 5 years ago my little brother was chatting like mad on the net one night and just would not shut down the computer. He got mouthy with my dad (NOTHING like this kid, my bro is really a good guy) and my dad responded by turning off the power in the basement. lol He did that on at least one other occasion too. Good old dad.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:36 pm

Thunder Force wrote:
dave4shmups wrote:What's even more sad is the fact that most child psychologists in America today say that spanking makes kids more aggressive.

Horseshit. It's kids that DON'T get disciplined that end up being more aggressive.
Look... believe it or not, you don't *have* to use violence against children to teach them to 'treat others as they themselves wish to be treated', etc. etc. Unfortunately some parents have never learned how to patiently teach their children about natural consequences of actions, social conscience, leading by example, etc, because the parents themselves may only superficially be aware of such things. And if a child instead learns about ideals of the world through commercial television and MTV, his mind is toast.

I would hardly call spanking "violence"-unless the parent is going overboard, and causing physical harm/damgage. And depending on how old a kid is, you're not going to be able to "reason" with a 2 or 3 year-old. You can spank your kids and still teach them about the social consequences of their actions; in fact, I would argue that both types of discipline are necessary. My parents spanked me, but they also taught my brother and I "do unto others", and alot of other good social advice. Neither MTV nor any other TV channel or program can replace that. (Although I did watch MTV back when I was in first grade-but in 1984 you could watch it as a kid and not be permanently scarred for life!)

And spanking needs to be followed up by letting your kid(s) know that you forgive and still love them, IMO. It's parents you see at Wal-Mart, and other such public places that verbally snap at and hit their kids for reaching out for a friggin' pack of gum or candy that are going overboard, and giving pysical discipline a bad name.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:52 pm

I also think there is a big difference between discipline and violence. For instance, when young people understand that their privilidges dissapear as soon as they forget how to be courteous, they learn how to follow the rules very quickly. The issue is with parents who cave in to the wining etc. No one said parenting was easy--clearly one has to be ever-resiliant (for instance, turning the x-box off immediately once that kid started getting whiny.) No violence involved, but the parent has been firm in making clear what is and is not acceptable behavior. The difference between civilized human beings and cannablistic savages is after all only a small difference in upbringing.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:13 pm

What CMoon says reminds me of the episode where Bart keeps getting into trouble and Homer keeps letting it slide. They finally send him to bed without dinner one night and Bart keeps moaning "I'm soooo hungryyyyy" and Homer sneaks him in a pizza later. Bart acts all sweet then as soon as Homer shuts the door, Bart chuckles under his breath: "heh heh heh Sucker!" Ouch. The truth hurts.

Anyways, our dad spanked us but he always explained what we had done wrong first and why he was about to. Dr. Spock's permissive parenting idiocy is the worst thing to come out of the 20th century. Dr. Spock himself even apoligized for the permissive/no spanking doctrine he pushed a year or two before his death.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:33 pm

Dylan1CC wrote:What CMoon says reminds me of the episode where Bart keeps getting into trouble and Homer keeps letting it slide. They finally send him to bed without dinner one night and Bart keeps moaning "I'm soooo hungryyyyy" and Homer sneaks him in a pizza later. Bart acts all sweet then as soon as Homer shuts the door, Bart chuckles under his breath: "heh heh heh Sucker!" Ouch. The truth hurts.

Anyways, our dad spanked us but he always explained what we had done wrong first and why he was about to. Dr. Spock's permissive parenting idiocy is the worst thing to come out of the 20th century. Dr. Spock himself even apoligized for the permissive/no spanking doctrine he pushed a year or two before his death.

My dad or mom explained afterwards, but yeah, I agree with you 100% about Dr. Spock.

BAD · Post by **BAD** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:52 pm

dave4shmups wrote:What's even more sad is the fact that most child psychologists in America today say that spanking makes kids more aggressive.

Horseshit. It's kids that DON'T get disciplined that end up being more aggressive.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Most of these unruly little bastards you see on TV that are doing shit like hitting teachers weren't hit when they needed to be. Children need to fear their parents in order to learn how respect adults. That is the problem with kids these days; they don't respect adults.

"I also think there is a big difference between discipline and violence."

This is also true.

Post by **system11** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:36 pm

Thunder Force wrote: Look... believe it or not, you don't *have* to use violence against children

This here, almost epitomises a core problem with the world today.

A smack on the backside is not "violence". It's just punishment. Punching, would be violence. Kicking, would be violence. Spanking is not violence, it's the only thing /some/ children can be trained with, unless you want to teach them that they should be rewarded all the time simply for behaving.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:56 pm

A smack on the backside is not "violence". It's just punishment. Punching, would be violence. Kicking, would be violence. Spanking is not violence, it's the only thing /some/ children can be trained with, unless you want to teach them that they should be rewarded all the time simply for behaving.

The problem is not with the spanking itself, it's that there is a fine line between punishment and abuse. Most people, including parents, do not know when they cross it... happened with mine on one occasion, and took them 10 years to realize/apologize for it. If you spank a child out of anger, it is physical abuse. Remember the old days, "I'm doing this b/c I love you". Well, that's the logic behind spanking, but it doesn't hold up all the time, unfortunately.

I wish the humans were big enough people to impartially give spankings, but they're not. Face it. The average person is not very clever. It's the ugly truth. If you think you're man enough to differentiate the two, by all means, spank your kid. I can tell you now that I'm not. My temper always gets the best of me, so I won't put myself (or any child I might have) in jeoprody.

That being said, this kid is text-book example of "needs discipline". He's beyond spankings though. Military school is all that's left for him.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:08 pm

bloodflowers wrote:
Thunder Force wrote: Look... believe it or not, you don't *have* to use violence against children
This here, almost epitomises a core problem with the world today.

A smack on the backside is not "violence". It's just punishment. Punching, would be violence. Kicking, would be violence. Spanking is not violence, it's the only thing /some/ children can be trained with, unless you want to teach them that they should be rewarded all the time simply for behaving.

You're entitled to your thoughts that teaching kids without spanking is hopeless, but there are many successful examples to the contrary being practiced in the world. The "core problems" with the world are that the percentage of ineffective and potentially damaging techniques (including Dr. Spock) far outweigh them, and the successful techniques are not widely practiced.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:58 pm

I agree with JP. 2 or 3 years old kids can understand you if you are patient to explain things to them. Spanking teaches children to respect anything just because they are bigger or stronger. This is not respect, this is fear. This lead to adults who, for example, may accept shit salaries or to accept certain kind of bad situations. It teaches the "low your head" philosophy.

You may even say that you spank and then you tell why are you doing , but when I was a children, I'd always remember much more that I WAS HIT than anything else. You don't behave because it's the right thing to do, you behave because if you don't, you are screwed.

It's better to let the children think for themselves. Children, even 2 or 3 years, can think. I've a couple of friends who have 3 children, and they raise their children wonderfuly, without the need to hit them... and they are overactive children, but they behave when they have to, but even better, they are MUCH MORE intelligent than most kids of their ages, and it's clear that's because their parents teached them to THINK, not to be AFRAID.

Stormowl · Post by **Stormowl** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:19 am

if i was still his age, my ass would have been red around the "but mom!!!" part at the beginning. crazy what parents let their kids get away with these days.

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:57 am

GaijinPunch wrote: The problem is not with the spanking itself, it's that there is a fine line between punishment and abuse.

No... no there is not. There is a very distinct line between punishment and abuse. Smacking a kid on the ass because he's being a little bastard is one thing. Repeatedly smacking him in the face is another.

I'd really like to get into one of my tangents about how the industrial revolution spawned these satan-children, but I won't do that since it's way fucking boring and will probably get me banned out of general principle.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:00 am

There are obviously both, but there are cases of abuse that many Johnny taxpayers would consider punishment.

roushimsx · Post by **roushimsx** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:47 am

If there is one thing that this video shows, it's that sometimea extreme physical abuse (such as being caged and left in the basement for a few days and being forced to survive by eating the cockroaches that crawl around at night) is justified.

...but just make sure you get him that chocolate milk first. He needs the chocolate milk.

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:00 am

dave4shmups wrote:...Neither MTV nor any other TV channel or program can replace that. (Although I did watch MTV back when I was in first grade-but in 1984 you could watch it as a kid and not be permanently scarred for life!)

Oh I beg to differ...
when I was about 6...I saw a music Video for Tom Petty's 'Don't Come Around Here No More'
I knew about the chastized Disney version of Alice in Wonderland...but....damn, THEY'RE EATING HER

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

In any case, My parents used different forms of disipline on me. Just about every kind. Such as no food, standing in the corner, No TV, Eat Vegetables, Forced Boredom, and in one extreme case where I smashed a brass hand mirror. . .my mom spanked me with the mirror.

My parents were great at balancing disipline and forgivness.
I only wish they taught me to deal with Bullies in a Non-victorian manner...not growing a backbone untill HighSchool really sucks.

ANYWAY
I now dirrect you to a CLASSIC page on child disipline...
try not to take it too serriously though
http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:09 am

Boo hoo, the kid can't be bothered to get off his ass and get himself a drink. Seriously, it's a rare thing to even have chocolate milk(usually it's all gone; chocolate milk is for drinking) in my house.

If his mother lied, and the kid can't get himself a drink, I guess he's screwed then. I wonder if the kid ever lies.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:34 pm

How do you train a dog? with discipline, same principle aplies to children, you never try to train an old dog because its too late you've gotta get kids at a young age.

I agree with the aggresiveness though, I had a very strict father who was into smacking alot as a result I'm quite a disciplined person but I'm not a happy person like my friends. I was a very bad kid though, probably deserved it.

I see this shit too often these days even with my nephew hes an only child but my sister coming from our military esq father has spoiled him, hes soft and is bullied at school.

I do a bit of coaching working with younger kids in hockey if any piss me off like that I say '' Give me a lap of the pitch or don't come back next week'' sorts em out, means the ones who want to be trained can learn in peace.

If I ever have kids they will be treated fairly but be very disciplined, I think martial arts will be the answer.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:03 am

yeah if this is real it sucks that he is talking to his mom that way, but that kid is comedy gold!

by the way, i hate it when people get preachy but hitting children in any fashion doesn't equal instant discipline. my mom spanked my brother once, saw it didn't work and instituted time-out which kept us both well together.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:33 am

I don't know why these children exist.

I mean, it's not a respect thing whatsoever. It's more of the fact that some spoiled xbox live player would even bother saying such crap. The chocolate milk part feels as if it was camera-made material, but who knows.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:01 am

I still feel there's too many coincidences stacking up here for this to be legit. Yeah, there's a chance... but I think it's rigged. Who knows, it's funny anyways.

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:53 pm

God, this kid sucks!