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Could it be that where you live there's more people with 360s? I personally see a lot more people with PSPs than DSs in NYC and data shows that the DS is mopping the floor with the PSP.Skykid wrote:That's a matter of opinion. I doubt there's many on these forums that give a rats ass about commercial 'game of the year polls anyway.'Ceph wrote: So from a general gamer's (non shmup fanatic's) point of view, PS3 had a very good year in 2008 and got a higher percentage of great games than the other consoles.
ZipSo skykid has anything that has been said so far made you want to dust off the PS3?
Er, this isn't actually true. At least not from the perspective of someone in the UK, and we have one of the largest gaming markets in Europe.The 360 may be beating the PS3 in America but it's a fierce battle in Europe
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The DS is mopping the floor with the PSP and everything else. The proof is in the profits.UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:Could it be that where you live there's more people with 360s? I personally see a lot more people with PSPs than DSs in NYC and data shows that the DS is mopping the floor with the PSP.skykid wrote:Er, this isn't actually true. At least not from the perspective of someone in the UK, and we have one of the largest gaming markets in Europe.The 360 may be beating the PS3 in America but it's a fierce battle in Europe
As for the 360 thing, I don't know who owns what where I live. I know if I walk into the local game stores or department stores the PS3 shelves are being reduced all the time and the 360 shelves are being extended.
I know that if I want to play with friends online, the 360 is a dead cert for multiplayer, whereas my PS3 is like a graveyard.

Dunno man, I don't think it's as close a thing in Europe as you seem to think. I'd say the UK's market sounds like more of a reflection of the US market at the moment.
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I think the PS3 is just now starting to really kick in. The first wave of games are hitting 'cheap' ($20 or less) and there is a good amount of high quality games coming out and enough already out to keep you busy until more arrive if you bought one recently.
I admit that I use mine to play more PS2 games than true PS3 ones, but I have been renting PS3 games checking out whats good and whats worth buying among the newer titles.
I tried LBP and I'd love to own that game, but at $60 it's still a bit too expensive for me right now. Drop it to $40 and I'd buy it new right now. I plan on checkiing out Soul Calibur sometime soon, and if I could actually find Valkyria Chronicles in a store somewhere I might buy it. Disgaea 3 would be a must buy...I just found Disgaea 1 and love it, but haven't finished it yet! I saw Motorstorm for $17 today, and that may be my next buy though. Folklore was decent from the demo I tried, but price is still kinda high on it.
The only thing I really don't see on the PS3 and would love to see is some shmups! I'd go for DeathSmiles in a heartbeat if it came out on the PS3! (MMP would be another buy for me...DDP, not so much unless it was cheaper.) As it is though the only game scheduled, but not yet out that I plan on buying asap is Brutal Legend.
I admit that I use mine to play more PS2 games than true PS3 ones, but I have been renting PS3 games checking out whats good and whats worth buying among the newer titles.
I tried LBP and I'd love to own that game, but at $60 it's still a bit too expensive for me right now. Drop it to $40 and I'd buy it new right now. I plan on checkiing out Soul Calibur sometime soon, and if I could actually find Valkyria Chronicles in a store somewhere I might buy it. Disgaea 3 would be a must buy...I just found Disgaea 1 and love it, but haven't finished it yet! I saw Motorstorm for $17 today, and that may be my next buy though. Folklore was decent from the demo I tried, but price is still kinda high on it.
The only thing I really don't see on the PS3 and would love to see is some shmups! I'd go for DeathSmiles in a heartbeat if it came out on the PS3! (MMP would be another buy for me...DDP, not so much unless it was cheaper.) As it is though the only game scheduled, but not yet out that I plan on buying asap is Brutal Legend.
Turrican, you is the MGS fan of all fans.Turrican wrote:You already played MGS4, you can resell the thing now.

To be honest matey, I actually played MGS4 before I owned a PS3, I just borrowed one from someone at the time.
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ChurchOfSolipsism wrote: ALso, this is how SKykid usually posts
I don’t understand why you brought one. You’ve been extremely vocal about your dislike for the platform and apparently were only attracted to two games – one of which you’ve already played?
Anyway, if you actually are looking for some fun with your PS3, I have done so with the following. Some are multiplatform (I'm just going down my shelf and trying to remember my PSN titles), but it’s okay because we’re staying in context: Bionic Commando Rearmed, Crash Commando, Dark Mist, Dead Space, Devil May Cry 4, Disgaea 3, Everyday Shooter, Megaman 9, Metal Gear Solid 4, Pixeljunk: Eden, Pure, Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, Siren: Blood Curse, Soul Calibur IV, Super Stardust HD, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Valkyria Chronicles, Wipeout HD.
Anyway, if you actually are looking for some fun with your PS3, I have done so with the following. Some are multiplatform (I'm just going down my shelf and trying to remember my PSN titles), but it’s okay because we’re staying in context: Bionic Commando Rearmed, Crash Commando, Dark Mist, Dead Space, Devil May Cry 4, Disgaea 3, Everyday Shooter, Megaman 9, Metal Gear Solid 4, Pixeljunk: Eden, Pure, Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, Siren: Blood Curse, Soul Calibur IV, Super Stardust HD, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Valkyria Chronicles, Wipeout HD.
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If your bored you can try these things -
www.ps3iplayer.com - UK only. Allows ps3 to stream BBC radio/TV channels from the net.
www.youtube.com/tv - PS3 interface for youtube. Works pretty well with a joystick.
http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/ - Media streamer specific for the PS3 for many platforms inc linux, OSX and windows platforms. Works better than Tversity or WMP but has a bug or two in it. However the main aspects of it work fine.
www.ps3iplayer.com - UK only. Allows ps3 to stream BBC radio/TV channels from the net.
www.youtube.com/tv - PS3 interface for youtube. Works pretty well with a joystick.
http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/ - Media streamer specific for the PS3 for many platforms inc linux, OSX and windows platforms. Works better than Tversity or WMP but has a bug or two in it. However the main aspects of it work fine.
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It was more of a buy of necessity Taylor, Spadgy can probably explain.Taylor wrote:I don’t understand why you brought one. You’ve been extremely vocal about your dislike for the platform and apparently were only attracted to two games – one of which you’ve already played?

Although it's completely impossible to discuss the merits and shortcomings of any games console without people thinking you're slandering and hate-mongering, I don't, and never have, hated the machine.
It's more important to me to discuss how people think it's done so far and what kind of future they think it has - that's it!

Now I own the machine I was hoping all the other PS3 owners would feel comfortable discussing their disappointment or, on the flip side, what they're enjoying the most about the console.
True!Elixir wrote:Actually I don't think it's possible for a PS3 not to collect dust.

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ChurchOfSolipsism wrote: ALso, this is how SKykid usually posts
My PS3 isn't collecting dust because it's in the box - well, I can say then that its box is collecting dust, can't I!?
The only game I played for a while when I bought it was Marvel Ultimate Alliance, which I didn't beat because it was too long, got boring after a while and had too much going on that options screen.
I only used the PS3 a few more times to watch R1 DVDs.
I can't say enough of how much I was disappointed with this console.
Recently I got an xbox 360 with Raiden IV and Otomedius Gorgeous.
And the rest will be history.

The only game I played for a while when I bought it was Marvel Ultimate Alliance, which I didn't beat because it was too long, got boring after a while and had too much going on that options screen.
I only used the PS3 a few more times to watch R1 DVDs.
I can't say enough of how much I was disappointed with this console.
Recently I got an xbox 360 with Raiden IV and Otomedius Gorgeous.
And the rest will be history.

In my view it has no future. The pax romana imposed by the Playstation brand has come to an end. Virtually all of the franchises that made Playstation great in the beginning have lost their raison d'etre. Sure, Wipeout HD is well done and fun - but Wipeout doesn't represent the european development renaissance that it represented in 1995. Tekken is avoided like the plague, Ridge Racer nowadays is just remembered because of a kaz hirai joke speech. Tomb Raider has achieved the ultimate goal of going to Hollywood, and now is the shadow of its former self.Skykid wrote:It's more important to me to discuss how people think it's done so far and what kind of future they think it has - that's it!
Those are pretty much the games which sealed the deal in Europe, the first continent to fully embrace Sony... Japan was on the edge and didn't really choose between PS and SS until FF7.
The "soul" of early Playstation is also hidden in the less commercial gems: Jumping Flash, Motor Toon GP... This alternative soul has not survived either. The only "artistic" developer within Sony is Fumito Ueda's team, they do great things but they are alone. And the quirkiness has spread among all platforms - today every console has a Rez, a Monkey Ball, or a Katamari. In short, creativity has gone third party.
There are only two brands who "jumped" on the original Playstation, but whose success was independent from it: Metal Gear and Final Fantasy. Metal Gear never needed Playstation to succeed: all it needs is the authorial direction of Hideo Kojima. Final Fantasy sold millions on Playstation, and now that Playstation becomes a dead horse, will sell million on other platforms, not unlike its older cousin Dragon Quest (tellingly late to jump on the PS bandwagon).
To recap: Playstation brand has little future - unless it radically reinvents itself (impossible with the bureaucrats actually in charge) it can merely survive on its former glory. SCE is left with some clear duds, like God of War: who's interested in playing a third God of War? I yawn at the idea. It's a kind of colossal production which ultimately means very little. Another would be the Gran Turismo: this one, unlike GoW, is actually good and different from any other in the market: too bad that consumers discovered that simulation is boring, and everyone wants Burnout these days.
Without visionaries like Kutaragi or Harrison, Sony failed on multiple levels: it didn't recognize the importance of third party exclusives. Leaving GTA 4 to Microsoft was a Waterloo.
In these years, Microsoft has remained niche, but nurtured all the possible hardcore fanbases. It is the partner of choice of Valve, Bioware, Bungie, Molyneux, and so on. The better online service lured some small but influential Japanese developer, like Treasure.
Today's era is Nintendo's. Admittedly the wii has not done much to justify its success yet, at least in the eyes of the hardcore gamer. DS, on the other hand, rocks. The real successor of PS2 is the DS.
well thats 6 games you will be playing for at least DEC 09 as i hear they Arc are saying its going to take at the very least a year for the PS3 conversionROBOTRON wrote:Mine doesn't collect dust, but it will soon as I'm getting tired of playing the same 5 games every time.
SF4 and BlazBlue will reawaken my PS3.

besides MGS4 has been confired for 360 so i figure i can wait a while

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Fantastic Turrican, now there's a post that finally puts this discussion on the right track. Some very interesting points mate, and I'm in agreement. You also have a really good understanding and overview of how the market has changed and for what reasons. A lot of those things hadn't really crossed my mind - but I suppose it's true: everything that made the PS brand so powerful has been diluted and lost its impact.Turrican wrote:In my view it has no future. The pax romana imposed by the Playstation brand has come to an end. Virtually all of the franchises that made Playstation great in the beginning have lost their raison d'etre. Sure, Wipeout HD is well done and fun - but Wipeout doesn't represent the european development renaissance that it represented in 1995. Tekken is avoided like the plague, Ridge Racer nowadays is just remembered because of a kaz hirai joke speech. Tomb Raider has achieved the ultimate goal of going to Hollywood, and now is the shadow of its former self.Skykid wrote:It's more important to me to discuss how people think it's done so far and what kind of future they think it has - that's it!
Those are pretty much the games which sealed the deal in Europe, the first continent to fully embrace Sony... Japan was on the edge and didn't really choose between PS and SS until FF7.
The "soul" of early Playstation is also hidden in the less commercial gems: Jumping Flash, Motor Toon GP... This alternative soul has not survived either. The only "artistic" developer within Sony is Fumito Ueda's team, they do great things but they are alone. And the quirkiness has spread among all platforms - today every console has a Rez, a Monkey Ball, or a Katamari. In short, creativity has gone third party.
There are only two brands who "jumped" on the original Playstation, but whose success was independent from it: Metal Gear and Final Fantasy. Metal Gear never needed Playstation to succeed: all it needs is the authorial direction of Hideo Kojima. Final Fantasy sold millions on Playstation, and now that Playstation becomes a dead horse, will sell million on other platforms, not unlike its older cousin Dragon Quest (tellingly late to jump on the PS bandwagon).
To recap: Playstation brand has little future - unless it radically reinvents itself (impossible with the bureaucrats actually in charge) it can merely survive on its former glory. SCE is left with some clear duds, like God of War: who's interested in playing a third God of War? I yawn at the idea. It's a kind of colossal production which ultimately means very little. Another would be the Gran Turismo: this one, unlike GoW, is actually good and different from any other in the market: too bad that consumers discovered that simulation is boring, and everyone wants Burnout these days.
Without visionaries like Kutaragi or Harrison, Sony failed on multiple levels: it didn't recognize the importance of third party exclusives. Leaving GTA 4 to Microsoft was a Waterloo.
In these years, Microsoft has remained niche, but nurtured all the possible hardcore fanbases. It is the partner of choice of Valve, Bioware, Bungie, Molyneux, and so on. The better online service lured some small but influential Japanese developer, like Treasure.
Today's era is Nintendo's. Admittedly the wii has not done much to justify its success yet, at least in the eyes of the hardcore gamer. DS, on the other hand, rocks. The real successor of PS2 is the DS.
The same will probably happen to Nintendo in six years time when another big hitter manages to incorporate 'family' gaming in an even better, more attractive fashion (although I never underestimate Nintendo's R&D dept. to come up with something special.)
And is MGS4 confirmed for 360?!

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ChurchOfSolipsism wrote: ALso, this is how SKykid usually posts
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I bought my PS3 in November and have picked up and played a bunch of games. I went to the UK over the new year and... holy crap... games there are much cheaper than in the US. I picked up Soulcalibur IV, Resistance, Pro Evo Soccer 2008 and Uncharted for a combined total of £40. Uncharted still costs $60 new in the US last time I looked.
I have a dozen or so PSN games as well, Super Stardust, Everyday Shooter, Soldner-X, Crash Commando, Pixel Junk Eden/Monsters, Wipeout, Echochrome etc...
So yeah, I'm pretty happy with the PS3 so far.
I have a dozen or so PSN games as well, Super Stardust, Everyday Shooter, Soldner-X, Crash Commando, Pixel Junk Eden/Monsters, Wipeout, Echochrome etc...
So yeah, I'm pretty happy with the PS3 so far.
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And anyway, hasn't the PS3 sold at roughly the same pace, if not slightly better, than the 360 since their respective launches? The 360 just had a year head-start, so obviously it's going to have a healthy lead in terms of total units sold. And this is despite the PS3 costing more and the 360 having no next-gen competition for the first year of its release.
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To say something in Sony's defense, PS3 is very well built. Strictly speaking in terms of hardware, I think it's a great system. Unfortunately things are shaping in such a direction that PS3 might never build momentum on the software side, and an impressive hardware isn't worth much without games. I used to think that FF13 might have been Sony's ace in the sleeve, producing massive sales in Japan and an healthy benefit in other territories.
But the other territories will undoubtedly receive the game also in its X360 incarnation. And Japanese sales aren't anymore a crucial factor, as this chart demonstrates:
http://kotaku.com/5135987/only-one-xbox ... rs-of-2008
http://www.kyoto.zaq.ne.jp/dkbkq103/yso/top100/2008.htm
Microsoft can't budge Sony in Japan - that's so far the only real battle won by Sony: It has kept its territory. However, if PS3 has eroded PS2 success instead of building upon it, it's pretty clear that "PS4" (whatever that may be - maybe not even a physical hardware anymore) needs to change the negative trend.
But the other territories will undoubtedly receive the game also in its X360 incarnation. And Japanese sales aren't anymore a crucial factor, as this chart demonstrates:
http://kotaku.com/5135987/only-one-xbox ... rs-of-2008
http://www.kyoto.zaq.ne.jp/dkbkq103/yso/top100/2008.htm
Microsoft can't budge Sony in Japan - that's so far the only real battle won by Sony: It has kept its territory. However, if PS3 has eroded PS2 success instead of building upon it, it's pretty clear that "PS4" (whatever that may be - maybe not even a physical hardware anymore) needs to change the negative trend.
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Ah yes, the warm and fuzzy memories of playing linked-up gaming sessions of Motor Toon Gran Prix 2 on the ye olde PSX...brings a smile to my face. Keep in mind that it was developed internally within SCEI (the pre-cursor to the original Gran Turismo game). ^_~
If and whenever Digital Polyphony does release it's long awaited Gran Turismo 5, it'll be worth it in the end. Playing GT-5 in 1080p format at 60 frames per second framerate = pure racing simulation at it's best (until GT-6 finally shows up). ^_~
Suppose if Squaresoft had put more time and development into it's Driving Emotion PS2 based racing game, would it have won/converted over some hard-core Gran Turismo fans? We'll never know the real answer to that question since Driving Emotion failed quite spectacularly despite all the pre-hype going for it before it's intial debut. Same thing could be said with Capcom's cel-shaded Auto Modellista game for the PS2 -- lackluster racing game. What went wrong with Auto Modellista?
The arcade racing property of Namco's Wangun Midnight: Maximum Tune series still hasn't seen the light of day on a video game console. The said arcade PCB setup is powered by a Sega Chichiro one...surely a PS3 version of WM:MT series could easily be done, right? As of right now, it is regarded as an arcade racing experience exclusive. ^_~
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If and whenever Digital Polyphony does release it's long awaited Gran Turismo 5, it'll be worth it in the end. Playing GT-5 in 1080p format at 60 frames per second framerate = pure racing simulation at it's best (until GT-6 finally shows up). ^_~
Suppose if Squaresoft had put more time and development into it's Driving Emotion PS2 based racing game, would it have won/converted over some hard-core Gran Turismo fans? We'll never know the real answer to that question since Driving Emotion failed quite spectacularly despite all the pre-hype going for it before it's intial debut. Same thing could be said with Capcom's cel-shaded Auto Modellista game for the PS2 -- lackluster racing game. What went wrong with Auto Modellista?
The arcade racing property of Namco's Wangun Midnight: Maximum Tune series still hasn't seen the light of day on a video game console. The said arcade PCB setup is powered by a Sega Chichiro one...surely a PS3 version of WM:MT series could easily be done, right? As of right now, it is regarded as an arcade racing experience exclusive. ^_~
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I think what we're witnessing is the chronicling of the importance of a new online gaming age. Interestingly, I don't think Japan is as interested in console networking as the West is, which is another reason why the Wii is popular regardless of it's very basic online functionality.
But the western market is larger now than any other. 360 wins because of Xbox Live, it's execution and it's rapid growth.
But the western market is larger now than any other. 360 wins because of Xbox Live, it's execution and it's rapid growth.
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ChurchOfSolipsism wrote: ALso, this is how SKykid usually posts
Quite right. None whatsoever. Obviously that list is falsificaire.Turrican wrote:without games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pl ... on_3_games
I can come up with such quantities for PSP or whatever other hardware out there, save maybe the Bandai Playdia and the NeoGeo Pocket. What's your point? If you're saying that software isn't a problem, but rather is price - it's an entirely valid point. I'd tend to disagree, when the others have Mass Effect and Sony has Lair, I think one can lament about PS3 lineups and exclusives. That's what skykid has done by starting this thread - his PS3 is getting dust, it probably means that the list above failed to impress him.Ceph wrote:Quite right. None whatsoever. Obviously that list is falsificaire.Turrican wrote:without games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pl ... on_3_games
Elaborate your stance, please.
it's more like they both lose to Nintendo because they both are trying to cannibalize the same small niche of market - the harcore gamers, if you want.skykid wrote:360 wins because of live
You claim that there are no games for PS3. There quite obviously are. In addition, most of last year's most popular console games are available for PS3.
Considering that PS3 has been out for only ~2 years (while it's been ~3 for 360), how much more do you expect? For the short period it's been on the market, that list is quite long already.
Considering that PS3 has been out for only ~2 years (while it's been ~3 for 360), how much more do you expect? For the short period it's been on the market, that list is quite long already.