James Bond - Quantum of Solace is Great!

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I've just forced myself to finish watching it.

1up was on the money:
But Quantum of Solace? It didn't feel like a Bond movie to me. The villain was a crap, the plot was crap. At one point in the movie with the fast edited action scenes I was thinking to myself, "Am I watching a Bourne movie?". The whole plot with him being all alone against everyone is pure Bourne and the fast edited action scenes are also pure Bourne.

Bourne of Solace, wtf

zlk was also right to back this up.

The whole first half of the movie was fast edited action scenes a la Bourne. A type of filming/editing that really pisses me off.

The Characters were hardly any better developed than in AVP 1 :x

Films tend to reflect the mood of the time they are made. If this is so, and I think it is, then we're living in a depressing time.

No offence Ceph, I'm glad you liked it, but I can see why most people didn't.
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Lordstar wrote:I find it really hard to belive you have never seen a bond flick in your life. You do have a TV right?
Spike TV ought to do it, they show a Bond marathon...what, every two or three weeks? :P Though truth be told, despite having glimpsed bits and pieces of a bunch of the Bond movies (mostly via the aforementioned marathons), I'm having trouble recalling ever watching one all the way through. Then again, from what I've seen I've never been particularly interested in seeking out more of it, but I'm definitely in the minority.
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I agree regarding the editing; certain camera switches were a bit fast and required equally fast mental reactions by the viewers in order to keep up. (But hey, we like shoot 'em ups that require lightning fast reactions, don't we?). Be that as it may, with a little more time in the cutting room, Quantum of Solace could have been made easier to view.

Anyway, if you think Quantum of Solace was bad, then what's your opinion regarding such "masterpieces" as Octopussy, Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, A View to a Kill, Licence to Kill, The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day? Is there really anyone who can watch those without cringing?
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The thing is that Bourne stuff belongs in Bourne movies. Not in Bond's. (But didn't people from the Bourne series work in QoS?)
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*CONTAINS SOME LITTLE SPOILERS* (Doesn't change much though, you shouldn't waste a single minute watching it.)
Ceph wrote:
zlk wrote:I liked the movie
You are wrong to like it, of course. Some random internet user said it's garbage.
Who said that - they were bang on in their assessment! :D

Let's not bullshit, it's insulting when someone with poor taste in films calls people who criticise a useless film 'stupid'.
If anything, the entire notion of this thread points to just the opposite.

Quantum of Solace isn't just a bad Bond film, it's a bad film full stop.
Without stealing 1up's thunder, he states the obvious. The action sequences, which the director clearly understood to be the only significant thing tying the film together, were cut to within an inch of their life. It was beyond a serious case of Bourne-envy, it was just downright poorly done.
At certain points I was sitting in the theater thinking "right, WTF is actually happening now - I have no idea," and that's unforgivable for an action sequence. It loses all sense of urgency and purpose when it leaves the audience behind.

All this crap about the portrayal of Bond being new, fresh and edgy is seriously misunderstood - not least by the producers. Casino Royale, for the first time in about thirty years, rebooted Bond because they actually had an Ian Fleming novel to work with. Despite being updated, it hearkened back to the classic elements of the Bond audiences love. It was a well paced, well directed film.
Quantum of Solace had none of those sensibilities.
The plot is horrific. It was convoluted to the point where you don't actually understand exactly how it's all falling together - which is purposeful, because if you actually realised that the bad guy is draining small impoverished villages of their water supplies by creating underground reservoirs, you might laugh yourself out of your seat.

Ultimately, it WAS crap - no doubt about that. I was bored watching a mechanical Bond run through an even more mechanical routine in an almost routinely bad blockbuster movie. To boot, he was stripped of any kind of character, and the dialogue was...well, can you remember any decent one-liners? (It's a Bond film after all.)

Why we all accept, put up with, and pay for this crap (see Die Hard 4, Transformers, and yes, even the overrated Dark Knight) I don't know.

I do take offense to this thread promoting the worth of this movie. I'm not all Stanley Kubrick, I understand that action movie's have an important place in Cinema, and those that have come before (Die Hard, Robocop, Total Recall, Predator) have deserved the status they've achieved.
But Quantum is seriously sub-standard fare.

The critics who panned it are far from the idiots - they are informed and educated, and we should respect the fact they've saved a lot of people £7 for for a night of derivative movie boredom.
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Ceph wrote:Anyway, if you think Quantum of Solace was bad, then what's your opinion regarding such "masterpieces" as Octopussy, Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, A View to a Kill, Licence to Kill, The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day? Is there really anyone who can watch those without cringing?
The plane boss, the plane, GOD!! I hate that movie. Im not a timothy dalton fan so I dont like License to Kill either. The plot in The World is Not Enough was also redicilous (sp?)

No, not all Bond movies are epic, and QoS fall in the not epic by a long shot category
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TMoJRLStD9c

It could be better with this theme song attached to it.
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Ceph wrote: Anyway, if you think Quantum of Solace was bad, then what's your opinion regarding such "masterpieces" as Octopussy, Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, A View to a Kill, Licence to Kill, The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day? Is there really anyone who can watch those without cringing?
I've never heard anybody refer to any of those films as masterpieces. Even Bond fans gnerally accept that most of those are amongst the worst in the franchise.
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E. Randy Dupre wrote:
Ceph wrote: Anyway, if you think Quantum of Solace was bad, then what's your opinion regarding such "masterpieces" as Octopussy, Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, A View to a Kill, Licence to Kill, The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day? Is there really anyone who can watch those without cringing?
I've never heard anybody refer to any of those films as masterpieces. Even Bond fans gnerally accept that most of those are amongst the worst in the franchise.
Agreed.

The entire Roger Moore canon is farce anyway, and bear little resemblance to the novels. In fact, the producers of Moonraker said that they decided to throw out 95% of the original book when they made the film.
Explains a lot.

They're great for kids though, I thought they were wonderful when I was 8 yrs old.

Just wanted to go back to an earlier comment about Craig's portrayal of Bond by Randy Dupre:
It's funny, the complaint about how they should go back to how the series was "originally", because by all accounts Casino Royale *is* how Bond was supposed to be originally - that is, how he was in the books. A bit of rough, a bruiser, handy with his fists and something of a tosser. So Craig's Bond is closer to the source material than the others - Connery had it down to begin with, but it soon fell apart.
This isn't entirely accurate. The character of Bond was meant to be a Naval Commander during the war, after which he joins British intelligence.
He was meant to be fit and strong, and be able to handle himself in a fistfight (so Craig does get that right). But he was never a 'bruiser', and unfortunately Craig does look a bit like a thug. The character was suave and sophisticated, while being able to handle himself.

It's not a big deal, Craig was still excellent in Casino Royale, but Connery is still the most accurate portrayal, and for my money, From Russia With Love is still the best of the films.
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Ceph wrote;
Anyway, if you think Quantum of Solace was bad, then what's your opinion regarding such "masterpieces" as Octopussy, Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, A View to a Kill, Licence to Kill, The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day? Is there really anyone who can watch those without cringing?
Agreed on those EXCEPT for Live and Let Die and Licence to Kill - I love those films.
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I loved casino royale, because it felt very much like the books - and I've always loved the original books.

Quantum felt rushed, bit too underdeveloped and ADHD for my tastes, but it was an OK film.

I wish they would film more flemings books than making new, inferior stories, since they now got the style and tone right.
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MJR wrote:I loved casino royale, because it felt very much like the books - and I've always loved the original books.

Quantum felt rushed, bit too underdeveloped and ADHD for my tastes, but it was an OK film.

I wish they would film more flemings books than making new, inferior stories, since they now got the style and tone right.
I always say because of the nature of the Moore films (that they bare such little resemblance to the novels) they could easily remake every one. It'd be fantastic as they'd be like whole new movies. :D
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Well, this beats Casino Royale. Great flick! I didn't know what to expect: bad, average or good.
Well it's pretty darn good actually.
All you people need to stop comparing it to previous bond films and bourne films. It's a new film! Be happy. Could it be that you had certain expectations that didn't come true in qos?
My rating: 8.1
The only people who are allowed to dislike this movie are the ones who did not like Dark Night. :lol:
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D wrote: The only people who are allowed to dislike this movie are the ones who did not like Dark Night. :lol:
Count me in then.
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