BBH wrote:
$15k for Supernova cabinets is a colossal ripoff though, especially since they're somehow of lower quality than the old DDR cabinets that have been making the rounds in arcades.
Lower quality? Don't they run the same hardware as say... Guitarfreaks/Drummania V/V2? Doesn't sound like lower quality.
This thread just got derailed with a Bemani discussion.
I believe that rhythm games are the most expensive as well arcade-wise. Only because they must come with their respective dedicated cabinets [which cost a lot already]; while shooters, you can pretty much stick it in ANY cabinet and it'll work.
does anything compare to the ridiculous price the AES Euro Kizuna Encounter fetches? (the last one sold for $12,500, no typo)
That's...actually disturbing.
The most $$ I ever paid was for Pulstar (AES and CD bundle) - $500.
I thought THAT was outrageous for a console title.
I've often pondered the price of shmups in general. It's funny how they're the most prolific as well as having the largest range in price! From free to $2500+ ?
BBH wrote:
$15k for Supernova cabinets is a colossal ripoff though, especially since they're somehow of lower quality than the old DDR cabinets that have been making the rounds in arcades.
Lower quality? Don't they run the same hardware as say... Guitarfreaks/Drummania V/V2? Doesn't sound like lower quality.
I didn't say lower-quality hardware, I said the cabinets themselves were lower quality. They have horrible sensors in them that drop freezes (and later cause Misses as the machine ages) way too easily, even on brand new machines.
This only applies to the cabinets made in the US by Betson, apparently the Japanese ones were just fine.
does anything compare to the ridiculous price the AES Euro Kizuna Encounter fetches? (the last one sold for $12,500, no typo)
That's...actually disturbing.
The most $$ I ever paid was for Pulstar (AES and CD bundle) - $500.
I thought THAT was outrageous for a console title.
I've often pondered the price of shmups in general. It's funny how they're the most prolific as well as having the largest range in price! From free to $2500+ ?
Although $12,500 for Kizuna was reported, I wouldn't say 100% that the deal went through.. Did anyone verify? It could of been Shawn from NG.com just creating hysteria as he reported only 4 people or so that owned the game. Which to me is ridiculous, i've heard of low product numbers, but 4?
This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
IIRC some french guy bought it from someone in Austria (this was on N-G.com)
And there was another ebay story about a "Euro" Kizuna in Australia i think
But this is crazy if u ask me because the "Euro" version is 100% the same as JPN and the JPN version is only about 300-400€ the only difference is the insert, the manual and the cart sticker, the game is 100% the same
Yeah, I remember Shawn doing the whole "What is the 1st word on line 3 of page 10?" sort of thing.
Just because the manual is in English etc. Even if there was only one copy now, it wouldn't fetch that much. The AES era no longer has its hysteria buzz.
The fact remains, 4 copies worldwide is farcical. If SNK printed 4 copies they would probably have gone to employees or thrown in the bin.
This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
neorichieb1971 wrote:Yeah, I remember Shawn doing the whole "What is the 1st word on line 3 of page 10?" sort of thing.
exact
one theory says that the game did not sell "well" in EU and so they send back the EU carts and they become JPN carts....and so only 4? people bought them before they send back the carts...
The only Store which "could" have them was "maro" in Stuttgart/Germany
BBH wrote:
$15k for Supernova cabinets is a colossal ripoff though, especially since they're somehow of lower quality than the old DDR cabinets that have been making the rounds in arcades.
Lower quality? Don't they run the same hardware as say... Guitarfreaks/Drummania V/V2? Doesn't sound like lower quality.
I didn't say lower-quality hardware, I said the cabinets themselves were lower quality. They have horrible sensors in them that drop freezes (and later cause Misses as the machine ages) way too easily, even on brand new machines.
This only applies to the cabinets made in the US by Betson, apparently the Japanese ones were just fine.
Guitarfreaks/Drummania V/V2/V3 run off of a playstation 2. Very high quality, expensive parts there The problem with SuperNova dedicabs is the horrible lag between the time you step on a sensor and the time the machine actually registers it. I've played on several dedicabs, and they all lag, but the upgraded korean 3rd I played on was just fine
does anything compare to the ridiculous price the AES Euro Kizuna Encounter fetches? (the last one sold for $12,500, no typo)
That's...actually disturbing.
The most $$ I ever paid was for Pulstar (AES and CD bundle) - $500.
I thought THAT was outrageous for a console title.
I've often pondered the price of shmups in general. It's funny how they're the most prolific as well as having the largest range in price! From free to $2500+ ?
Although $12,500 for Kizuna was reported, I wouldn't say 100% that the deal went through.. Did anyone verify? It could of been Shawn from NG.com just creating hysteria as he reported only 4 people or so that owned the game. Which to me is ridiculous, i've heard of low product numbers, but 4?
Were in the world did you get that aes cd bundle
the last time i saw pulstar aes up for auction it was going for over thousand dollars!
Ozymandiaz1260 wrote:
Guitarfreaks/Drummania V/V2/V3 run off of a playstation 2. Very high quality, expensive parts there The problem with SuperNova dedicabs is the horrible lag between the time you step on a sensor and the time the machine actually registers it. I've played on several dedicabs, and they all lag, but the upgraded korean 3rd I played on was just fine
Supernova, lag? I can AAA some songs just fine. I'm assuming you've played songs that are off-sync in-game?
Ozymandiaz1260 wrote:
Guitarfreaks/Drummania V/V2/V3 runs off of a playstation 2. Very high quality, expensive parts there The problem with SuperNova dedicabs is the horrible lag between the time you step on a sensor and the time the machine actually registers it. I've played on several dedicabs, and they all lag, but the upgraded korean 3rd I played on was just fine
Supernova, lag? I can AAA some songs just fine. I'm assuming you've played songs that are off-sync in-game?
I play pretty much everyday. At my arcade I can AAA a nine on Extreme, walk right across the room and do the same song on SN, and barely SDG it. There's definitely lag...
Were in the world did you get that aes cd bundle
the last time i saw pulstar aes up for auction it was going for over thousand dollars!
I made that deal in '98 w/ "Adol" in France. Some here may be familiar w/ him. Haven't spoken to him in a few years. I'm sure he's still making deals on ebay. Sold Pulstar CD a couple years ago for $90.
neorichieb1971 wrote:Although $12,500 for Kizuna was reported, I wouldn't say 100% that the deal went through.. Did anyone verify? It could of been Shawn from NG.com just creating hysteria as he reported only 4 people or so that owned the game. Which to me is ridiculous, i've heard of low product numbers, but 4?
the one before that also sold for a crazy price
and even if the stories are "embellished"
I could easily see someone spending a cool 5 grand on it on eBay (Metal Slug US AES goes for 2500)
roker wrote:
I could easily see someone spending a cool 5 grand on it on eBay (Metal Slug US AES goes for 2500)
5grand is more likeley these days for kizuna.
and MS hasent fetched 2500 since the AES glory days.. its more like 1500 these days.
both are impressive prices i think, especially fro MS which isnt even that ridiculously rare...
AES hasent hit rock bottom just yet...
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Shoot them ups are expensive. For fucks sake man! I paid $94.95 for Zanac X Zanac, $100 for Radiant Silvergun, and get this...... I paid $158 for Eliminate Down and $206 for Recca
Pretty stupid aren't I? Like Ken Kutaragi says "work extra hours to afford the shit" - thats what I do I work 50+ hours a week and buy games
Look at prices for Last Hope LE and Border Down! What the F?!?
Based on this thread AES prices had something of a bubble where prices eventually went down a bit. I wonder if that will ever happen to shmups?
In any case, though, with shmups you don't necessarily need that many to play, because it takes a lot of concentrated effort to get good at one. Also, there are some pretty good free / cheap doujins out there, too!
LordHypnos wrote:Based on this thread AES prices had something of a bubble where prices eventually went down a bit. I wonder if that will ever happen to shmups?
In any case, though, with shmups you don't necessarily need that many to play, because it takes a lot of concentrated effort to get good at one. Also, there are some pretty good free / cheap doujins out there, too!
Many RPGs have taken a nosedive over the years, price wise (Final Fantasy 7 anyone?). For me, it's games like Ibara* (PS2) that are a mystery: it is easy to find, yet the price stays put at or about $150. That to me is artificial value. There a few other examples of this also.
So basically if you collect the inexpensive games it's... affordable
In all seriousness, the only thing that truly bother's me with how shmup popularity and prices have blown up is the fact that devs like CAVE still fail despite their growing (and obsessed) fanbase. I'm also a little facepalmy about how I started buying PCBs after the major price skyrocketing. My sig speaks volumes, a $50 game back when I first started reading shmups reviews now goes for +$500.
"I've had quite a few pcbs of Fire Shark over time, and none of them cost me over £30 - so it won't break the bank by any standards." ~Malc
Nintendo Saturn wrote:For me, it's games like Ibara* (PS2) that are a mystery: it is easy to find, yet the price stays put at or about $150. That to me is artificial value. There a few other examples of this also.
I think one of the reasons shmups are getting so expensive is the increased availability of the hardware to play them on.
In the UK owning your own cab is still a fairly uncommon sight due to the cost of importing them, however, the proliferation of superguns has increased and the cost of buying one has become almost negligible. Now that people can get a Supergun set up for less than a £100 it opens up more demand for the pcbs. I dare say this example can be expanded across most Western markets, and Eastern ones as well.
Heh, I remember the days when Supergun's were rare as hens teeth, and were not particularly cheap either.
Well it's definitely been the most expensive genre for me, but I don't tend to buy any modern day games anymore. For arcade stuff the only other genre I really like is puzzle games and those are usually dirt cheap ^_^
Tarma wrote:
In the UK owning your own cab is still a fairly uncommon sight due to the cost of importing them
Don't forget that there are several candy cab resellers (and by that I mean companies/shops) across Europe (especially France and the Netherlands) that import cabs from Japan and sell them for "reasonable" prices. So buying and owning a cab nowadays is much easier and cheaper than 10 years ago, thus making available hardware to play on even more available.
Tarma wrote:
In the UK owning your own cab is still a fairly uncommon sight due to the cost of importing them
Don't forget that there are several candy cab resellers (and by that I mean companies/shops) across Europe (especially France and the Netherlands) that import cabs from Japan and sell them for "reasonable" prices. So buying and owning a cab nowadays is much easier and cheaper than 10 years ago, thus making available hardware to play on even more available.
This is true, but you need to know where to look and whom to ask. If you initially develop an interest in getting into pcbs then a quick google search will bring up many supergun related links... plus supergun's are generally space friendly!
But, definitely, far more straight forward to get a cab than it was a decade ago
There's probably more people now getting into pcb gaming than ever before, and there will never be enough pcbs to go around... it's not as if any of the shmups we love were ever manufactured on the scale of any home console title (generally speaking), so it's going to be an on-going battle of supply & demand.
Nintendo Saturn wrote:For me, it's games like Ibara* (PS2) that are a mystery: it is easy to find, yet the price stays put at or about $150. That to me is artificial value. There a few other examples of this also.
*I am looking for a copy of Ibara btw... haha.
I remember the day where I basically traded the Ibara PS2 port for the PCB. Long since, the port has fallen in price while the PCB got quite expensive.
The problem with SuperNova dedicabs is the horrible lag between the time you step on a sensor and the time the machine actually registers it. I've played on several dedicabs, and they all lag, but the upgraded korean 3rd I played on was just fine 
and $206 for Recca 
