XRGB-mini Framemeister

[Thomago]

Care to share the settings you're using when you see this? Also, I'm curious as to what model and region your PS2 is, in case this may be a factor (as with some of the differences we've seen here between revisions in other consoles)

Settings: Default settings apart from H_SCALE, V_SCALE, BRIGHTNESS and MANUAL_AD (and no, changing these to their defaults doesn't help with the banding)
I tested this with a PAL and a NTSC-US SCPH-9000x.

[fAbZ]

Someone know if the scart switch from solaris japan is euro compatible ?
http://www.solarisjapan.com/products/Se ... ctor-.html

[akumajo]

it is japanese scart

check here http://www.retrogamingcables.com/video-converters.html

[fAbZ]

it is japanese scart

check here http://www.retrogamingcables.com/video-converters.html

It's that i hope it does not ...Thomago tell me to take this : for PS2 and PS1 both PAL
http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_inf ... mized.html
So' i have a problem

[akumajo]

what do you want to do ? I dont see where is the problem.

[fAbZ]

what do you want to do ? I dont see where is the problem.

Sorry i have edited my post, is both for pal system' PSONE and PSTwo

[kamiboy]

Seems like it is a passive device, so assuming all it does is route input pins to output then it should work for Euro as well as JP21 SCARTs.

You just can't mix and match. If you stick Euro in you get Euro out, same for JP21.

[Fudoh]

You just can't mix and match. If you stick Euro in you get Euro out, same for JP21.

are you refering to the Micomsoft 3:1 JP21 switch linked above ? If yes, then you're mistaken, you certainly cannot use EU Scart cables on that.

[kamiboy]

Really, why is that? I guess it does not just route input signals to output then?

How exactly does it work then?

[akumajo]

easy method is to buy an euro switch + euro to jpn scart cable

euro inputs > euro switch output > euro to jpn scart cable > xrgb-mini

I stopped to use switchs because of number of consoles, I just plug when I need.

[Fudoh]

Really, why is that?

because a) not all 21 pins are connected and b) even if they were the cross connections (video in to video out, audio etc) are different in european and japanese layouts. If you connect a european Scart cable to japanese switch you get a "deadly" output signal which carries 5-12V (depending on the source) on the video lines - which usually means exitus for your processor or display.

[kamiboy]

But if you put Euro in you get Euro out, right? That is assuming that the switch routes all pins. The fellow wanted to connect some Euro SCARTs to the switch and connect the switch directly to his no doubt European television via a simple SCART lead.

That should work provided, of course, that the device routes all 21 pins.

Or do you mean that SCART specs have different pin configs for signals coming in and signals going out?

[Fudoh]

It MIGHT theoretically work on fully wired switches which have a fixed output CABLE. But on any switch with a Scart port as an output, it won't work, because of the different cross connections.

[fAbZ]

Son the question is ' Why does the RGB 21 cost son much instead of a common one?'
Like it's not be region free

[MMJuno]

Settings: Default settings apart from H_SCALE, V_SCALE, BRIGHTNESS and MANUAL_AD (and no, changing these to their defaults doesn't help with the banding)
I tested this with a PAL and a NTSC-US SCPH-9000x.

For comparison's sake, if any of this should matter:

* I'm running my PS2 to a TV instead of a PC monitor
* My PS2 is an earlier "fat" model NTSC-US 39001
* I'm using the "official" Sony PS2 component cable
* Also, running it through a component switch box. Haven't tried it directly, but I'd expect (if anything) to have worse video with the switch than better.

I tried both settings for Deep Color, both the Auto and RGB color output selections, and various screen mode settings, so far. I can't seem to replicate what I'm seeing in your shot on the memory card screen, at all.

I don't have the Shadow Hearts game I think you mentioned, but I do have FFX I can possibly try out for comparison.

[Thomago]

I'm using the official Sony PS3 component cable without a switch; adding a switch makes no difference here however.
I changed every damn setting the Framemeister has to offer to get rid of the color banding, but nothing helped. Weird stuff.

I might add that setting the PS2's output to component while using a RGB cable (--> green tint then) doesn't result in color banding.
Furthermore I might add (again) that the Gamecube's Component signal doesn't show color color banding; however occasionally there's heavy flickering.

[Artemio]

is there a Dreamcast game that you can "easily" switch between 15/31 Khz on the fly ?

Not a game, but my 240p Suite does it on the fly.

[kamiboy]

Son the question is ' Why does the RGB 21 cost son much instead of a common one?'
Like it's not be region free

That device is made for the Japanese market and was never meant to be sold outside of the country, so of course Euro SCART compatibility was never a concern in its design.

It costs a lot, no doubt because it is a quality piece of kit, as Micomsoft products are known to be. Also the reseller prolly added a hefty premium on the retail price. As one of the few sources of such a device outside of Japan, doing so is their prerogative

[akumajo]

is there a Dreamcast game that you can "easily" switch between 15/31 Khz on the fly ?

Not a game, but my 240p Suite does it on the fly.

cool ! just missing UMSA now

[fAbZ]

still searching for a scart switch for eu users, does a passive one will be okay ?

Hama AV Selector 100S is ready for this job ? Can't find the info in technical details ....

[fAbZ]

Son the question is ' Why does the RGB 21 cost son much instead of a common one?'
Like it's not be region free

That device is made for the Japanese market and was never meant to be sold outside of the country, so of course Euro SCART compatibility was never a concern in its design.

It costs a lot, no doubt because it is a quality piece of kit, as Micomsoft products are known to be. Also the reseller prolly added a hefty premium on the retail price. As one of the few sources of such a device outside of Japan, doing so is their prerogative

thanks, is that i was thinking after my post about it

[Thomago]

still searching for a scart switch for eu users, does a passive one will be okay ?

Hama AV Selector 100S is ready for this job ? Can't find the info in technical details ....

Erm ... you know that all your questions have already been answered in this thread?
I strongly suggest that you read it!
Furthermore I strongy suggest the Bandridge Premium 5-way Scart Selector.

[fAbZ]

still searching for a scart switch for eu users, does a passive one will be okay ?

Hama AV Selector 100S is ready for this job ? Can't find the info in technical details ....

Erm ... you know that all your questions have already been answered in this thread?
I strongly suggest that you read it!
Furthermore I strongy suggest the Bandridge Premium 5-way Scart Selector.

ya i know that my questions are borring, but i can't find answers with the search fonction of this website .... Really, a thousand of results that dosen't really respond to me ....
maybe a topic for beginners ?might be helpfull
PS: how to search in this topic only ?

[Thomago]

Afaik there is no option for searching inside a thread, but you could just use click through the pages and use your web browser's search function.
But better than just searching for for keywords ist actually reading the thread. There's absolutely no need to read every single page, but I'd suggest reading it from page 70.

You know, the Framemeister is no simple device that generally works perfectly from the get-go, so reading into the matter can be really helpful.

[Smashbro29]

So wait, why is it that me as an American with my all American systems (go America) am using something from (I'm guessing) the UK as a SCART switch? Finding one of these things just got a whole lot harder.

[Konsolkongen]

Because you don't have SCART switches or anything SCART related in America?

[Smashbro29]

Because you don't have SCART switches or anything SCART related in America?

So, that means right now I'm using European cables on my American system?

[Konsolkongen]

As far as I know RGB was never available on TVs in America. So you'll have to use either European SCART cables with an adaptor for the XRGB. Or Japanese RGB21 cables which are different and probably harder to obtain, but doesn't need an adapter for the XRGB.

[masqdgamer]

Because you don't have SCART switches or anything SCART related in America?

So, that means right now I'm using European cables on my American system?

get the Japanese RGB JP21 cables.
Thats what I did and have not looked back.

[Artemio]

get the Japanese RGB JP21 cables.
Thats what I did and have not looked back.

Same here, all systems with Japanese RGB21, no worries ever.