Dark Knight

[GaijinPunch]

But he still achieved a consistency in film making not exhibited in the Dark Knight.

How can people use the word 'overrated' in a thread and then counter with Tim Burton? Irony at it's finest.

[D]

Dark Knight isn't overrated, it is highly rated.
"300" is overrated, that movie is all kinds of crap. (waiting for 1 or more shmembers to defend this movie's imdb rating of 7,9 )

[Nuke]

Dark Knight isn't overrated, it is highly rated.
"300" is overrated, that movie is all kinds of crap. (waiting for 1 or more shmembers to defend this movie's imdb rating of 7,9 )

While a rating on the scale of 4.9-6.6 would make a lot more sense, you can't argue that 300 wasn't entertaining, even though it's in that smug "ironic" kind of way.

[Ed Oscuro]

Dark Knight isn't overrated, it is highly rated.
"300" is overrated, that movie is all kinds of crap. (waiting for 1 or more shmembers to defend this movie's imdb rating of 7,9 :? )

it kept ytmd alive for a while longer?

wait that's not a good thing

[Skykid]

But he still achieved a consistency in film making not exhibited in the Dark Knight.

How can people use the word 'overrated' in a thread and then counter with Tim Burton? Irony at it's finest.

Not countering with Tim Burton dude, I'm countering with the differences in accomplished film making.
To make the point of consistency I could use any number of Hollywood films that do it better than the Dark Knight, but why not use the original Batman as an example?
Opinion might say it's campy and dated and it probably wouldn't be wrong. My opinion is, despite those valid criticisms, it hangs together better than the 3 hours of the Dark Knight.

I'm not a Burton fan at all, his newer stuff in particular doesn't interest me.

[Skykid]

Anyway, this saves me the trouble of bothering to explain it myself. A very accurate review from the critic of the UK's very own Daily Mail. He's 100% bang on:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/re ... -plot.html

[GaijinPunch]

but why not use the original Batman as an example?

B/c:

Cristopher Nolan better than Tim Burton
Christian Bale better than Michael Keaton
The young Bruce Wayne better than the old. In Batman Begins we actually see how he becomes Batman.... not just some millionaire that beats the piss out of people.


Of course this is all opinionated, just like your statement that Tim Burton did it better.

I think Nolan is a better director than Tim Burton though... but I don't rate Burton at all.

[DC906270]

1989 Batman is a classic! Jack Nicholson Joker is icon for the 21st century!

[Skykid]

It's over now anyway. This wouldn't be the first and definitely won't be the last time I disagree with people over movies.
For me, there's really no delivery at all anymore with films, as pessimistic as that sounds. I have truly lost faith in Hollywood - it's a shit factory.

And Christian Bale is useless too.

(Worms in a can = open. )

[Specineff]

Anyway, this saves me the trouble of bothering to explain it myself. A very accurate review from the critic of the UK's very own Daily Mail. He's 100% bang on:

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Wow. Spot-on. That's exactly how I felt. A hit, but not without its flaws.

[GaijinPunch]

I like long movies. Dark Knight has more character depth of it's characters (even the non-main characters like Commissioner Gordon & Alfred) than the other Batman series combined. But hey, that's me. I coincidentally hate long games. Go figure.

The article has points... generally ones I don't quite agree with. Movies (action ones like this anyway) are to escape reality, not be an extension of it. And not sure about the whole soundtrack comments. Sound was brilliant where I saw it... and anyone that's familiar w/ Nolan shouldn't have been surprised by the scoring.

[JoshF]

Also, it hilariously failed at dialogue.

"Shoot...to kel...knowutameen?"

"SSSON of A bitCH"

Joker even breaks the fourth wall and makes fun of Palance's delivery. (mmyeahr)

Just stupid smell like a gay performances by the supporting characters (Kim Basinger, Bill Paxton, Jack Palance, MICHAEL KEATON, etc.)

Action. Can't have any in that suit. I think the most he did was spin with a foot in the air. Rest was all shooting strings. Also I think the One-at-a-time Attack Rule was used.

And Eflman. LOL low pitched brass BOM BOM BOM BOM and then a twinkly sound LOL

Prince commercial.

Then there's the biggest boy in my bag, remember, it was a big-budget hollywood movie tooooth.

[Neon]

Anyway, this saves me the trouble of bothering to explain it myself. A very accurate review from the critic of the UK's very own Daily Mail. He's 100% bang on:

I like how he says the plot is impossible to follow, pretentious, etc. etc. without ever explaining why

Pretentious has to be the most overused word nowadays, what does it even mean anymore? HAY GUYS THIS THING IS BAD THEREFORE IT IS PRETENTIOUS

edit:

This may make him good box-office - especially among males who feel ineffectual, impoverished and lacking in even one personality - but it doesn't give him the depth of Hamlet.

WARNING: IF YOU DISAGREES WITH ME YOU IS DUMB

I think this review was written by icycalm

[Ed Oscuro]

Also, it hilariously failed at dialogue.

"Shoot...to kel...knowutameen?"

"SSSON of A bitCH"

Prince mixing these into BAT DANCE was the crowning touch

p.s. wasn't Spider-Man (2001) filled with lots of emo and rubbish for the dialogue? It's been years since I saw it, as I said, but I don't remember anything on par with a number of memorable scenes from Dark Knight

[Skykid]

It's clear you all loved it guys, and that's great.

For me it was all a bit...


-Christian Bale is wooden

-Hong Kong was tacked on and out of place

-The Joker was well acted, but the character was two dimensional

-Aaron Eckharts performance as Dent and Two-Face were identical (range-less), he just snarled a bit with his silly CG mask

-The best part of the film were the opening five minutes. Oh dear.

-3 hours?! Is that all they managed to do in 3 hours?! Feels like the pacing of a Sunday afternoon TV special

-Plot holes...rrrr... What happens after Brucey puts Dent in a sleeper hold and puts him behind a door which he locks with an 'iron bar' from the OUTSIDE. Then he goes crashing through the window to land a hundred feet below unscathed, unharmed. Gyllenhall says 'where's Dent'. he says 'Don't worry, he's safe.'

Like fuck he is. Joker is still upstairs with seven gun-toting madmen. He was only looking for Dent in the first place. What happened then, don't we get to find out? Or did the Joker just see the 'iron-bar-locking-a-door' (red flag) and think "hrm, where did that Dent GET TO?"

Holes.

-Hey check me out, I've rigged this hospit-al to explode. Nice set piece. Any chance we could get a ten second cut of some henchmen rigging the place?
Maybe the nurses didn't notice the bombs under the patients beds when they were serving them soup.
Let's face it, Joker managed to rig the hospital with bombs strategically placed in every room, in every wing, on every floor on his own, in zero seconds flat, and it came down like a controlled demolition. Not bad.

Holes.

-Morgan Freeman: "If you don't promise to destroy this thing that let's you see all the crime happening in Gotham, I'll quit."

Translation: "How do we work in this cool, totally impossible, totally pointless feature which, if Batman had, he would NEVER destroy because its far too useful. But oh wait, then he's basically TOO powerful.
Nolan starts crying "but I want it at the end of the film! Please!"

"I know, we can create a COP OUT, so he can never use it again in future and make his job and his life easier."

This stuff has been 1st and last drafted on the back of a beer mat.

"Sir, the boat hold is filled with explosives."

And not any old explosives - about two hundred oil drums. How the holy fuck did the Joker, aka David Copperfield first rig the hospital, and now not one, but TWO passenger carrying ships with explosive oil drums?!

Are we seeing a pattern yet?

It's called laziness. Lazy, unforgivable script writing in which you write a movie to have all the punch, but grant the audience zero intelligence. It's called being in a hurry to get to the next big scene, but don't give a shit about the gaping, childlike holes you're leaving behind for everyone to see. Because you don't care, there's no patience.

The list goes on:

Gyllenhall - horrible. Looks horrible, acts horrible, sounds horrible.

Two Face - criminally underused. Then kill him off in the most underwhelming death ever. That was so poor, the end of Spiderman 1 was actually more dramatic.
What a waste of a fantastic Batman villain.

The shaping of Two Face: that retarded scene where they're in (wait for it) two warehouses filled with 'oil drums' and he's saying "oh I love you" over and over and over.
WTF?! Best part about that scene was Gyllenhall buying it. About time. I was unconvinced of any chemistry between her and anyone else anyway.

Then he blames Gordon for her death! Lol! Why?

Oh that's right, we need some dramatic effect somewhere.

And that's the end of the rant. Best thing about the film: Heath Ledger as the Joker.

Worst thing: It's overrated as hell.

It was...okay. 7.5.

Next time boys, lets have a script drafted more than once. Lets not expect the audience to be idiots. Lets take some time to tell the story properly and try to iron out the holes so everything is a bit more believable.
And if we're going to do another 3 hours, for fucks sake, lets do some more with the time.

[Stormwatch]

Anyway, this saves me the trouble of bothering to explain it myself. A very accurate review from the critic of the UK's very own Daily Mail. He's 100% bang on:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/re ... -plot.html

O RLY? Let me cut the bang on rate by at least 80%.

Nolan and his co-writer brother Jonathan evidently think Batman is a figure whose tragic qualities have Shakespearean depth. But he isn't - mainly because his problems aren't universal enough.

How many of us face the problem of having a split personality, or unlimited wealth, or the responsibility of being solely able to fight the worst kinds of crime?

You can take a character out of a comic-strip, but you can't take the comic-strip out of the character. Batman is not a tragic hero at all, but an adolescent action-figure with the kind of problems most of us can only dream of having.

This may make him good box-office - especially among males who feel ineffectual, impoverished and lacking in even one personality - but it doesn't give him the depth of Hamlet.

Oh, sure, Hamlet is universal, isn't it? If it came out today, this same critic would probably say something like...

Hamlet's problems aren't universal enough. How many of us face the problem of seeing our father's ghost, or being a prince, or the responsibility of avenging his murder by his brother?

[JoshF]

Christian Bale is wooden

I'm Batman.

-The Joker was well acted, but the character was two dimensional

Most sociopaths are.

Gyllenhall - horrible. Looks horrible, acts horrible, sounds horrible.

You are correct sir.

Any chance we could get a ten second cut of some henchmen rigging the place?

Does something not seen by audience = holes 2 ya? Does something not seen by audience = holes 2 ya?

Something they got right with this movie was not showing Jokers origins. This is a big reason why most super hero movies are stupid cause half the plot is taken up by backstory everyone should know. When they make a new comic series they don't have to reinvent every character cause they know it's a given the character exists in that world. Plus it feels shallow and windy-uppy instead of full speed, kono yarou. Who cares if the stupid audienQWEERS don't get to feel like they're handed every peice of the puzzle and get to detective. They got right into it with Dark Knight and didn't waste any time explaining how Chuckles Chamster fell from grace.

shit about the gaping, childlike holes

-Morgan Freeman: "If you don't promise to destroy this thing that let's you see all the crime happening in Gotham, I'll quit."

He wasn't playing Donald Rumsfeld.

This stuff has been 1st and last drafted on the back of a bum funk.

"Sir, the boat hold is filled with explosives."

And not any old explosives - about two hundred oil drums. How the holy fuck did the Joker, aka David Copperfield first rig the hospital, and now not one, but TWO passenger carrying ships with explosive oil drums?!

well, he apparently had every criminal in Gotham as well as insiders in the the police and government as henchman, that leaves enough room for my imagination.

Holes.

Gaping andn Childlike?

Then he blames Gordon for her death! Lol! Why?

buttcause he GF died and needed someone to project his anger towards, Gordon was the easiest target to convince himself of that that that.

And that's the end of the rant. Best thing about the film: Heath Ledger as the Joker.

hubba hubba hubby money money money who loves ya who loves ya

It's overrated as hell.

yut

Holes.

Gaping andn Childlike./

Next time boys, lets have a script drafted more than once. Lets not expect the audience to be idiots. Lets take some time to tell the story properly and try to iron out the gaping childlike holes so everything is a bit more believable.
And if we're going to do another 3 hours, for fucks sake, lets do some more with the time.

I hope they don't make the plot nice and packaged for idiots, lets not except the audence to be idioms. The narrower perspective is more personal or something. I probably don't believe any of this post.

How many of us face the problem of having a split personality, or unlimited wealth, or the responsibility of being solely able to fight the worst kinds of crime?

This is actually pretty close to the character Hamlet.

Nolan and his co-writer brother Jonathan evidently think Batman is a figure whose tragic qualities have Shakespearean depth. But he isn't - mainly because his problems aren't universal enough.

Hiding behind orthodoxy exampalamantalidad (scuse me while I build some cred for my critique by naming that thing everyone likes SAKEPEAR SAKEPEAR hr hr hr hr now I have moat) Swimming upsteam makes my arms too tired. Hey want an example? Freddy Got Fingered is the best comdedy since Sleeper.

[Skykid]

I hope they don't make the plot nice and packaged for idiots.

What plot?

[Zebra Airforce]

he GF died

That's even more powerful than EX dying, hai~~~~!

[GaijinPunch]

Bill Paxton was in the original?

[Specineff]

buttcause he GF died and needed someone to project his anger towards, Gordon was the easiest target to convince himself of that that that.

Instead of the fucking Joker who actually caught her, restrained her, surrounded her with explosives, rigging the system to blow up, and actually setting up the scene in motion? Holy serious, well-thought, not-impossible, totally coherent and logical screen-writing, Batman.

[jp]

-Plot holes...rrrr... What happens after Brucey puts Dent in a sleeper hold and puts him behind a door which he locks with an 'iron bar' from the OUTSIDE. Then he goes crashing through the window to land a hundred feet below unscathed, unharmed. Gyllenhall says 'where's Dent'. he says 'Don't worry, he's safe.'

Like fuck he is. Joker is still upstairs with seven gun-toting madmen. He was only looking for Dent in the first place. What happened then, don't we get to find out? Or did the Joker just see the 'iron-bar-locking-a-door' (red flag) and think "hrm, where did that Dent GET TO?"

Holes.

-Hey check me out, I've rigged this hospit-al to explode. Nice set piece. Any chance we could get a ten second cut of some henchmen rigging the place?
Maybe the nurses didn't notice the bombs under the patients beds when they were serving them soup.
Let's face it, Joker managed to rig the hospital with bombs strategically placed in every room, in every wing, on every floor on his own, in zero seconds flat, and it came down like a controlled demolition. Not bad.

Holes.

-Morgan Freeman: "If you don't promise to destroy this thing that let's you see all the crime happening in Gotham, I'll quit."

Translation: "How do we work in this cool, totally impossible, totally pointless feature which, if Batman had, he would NEVER destroy because its far too useful. But oh wait, then he's basically TOO powerful.
Nolan starts crying "but I want it at the end of the film! Please!"

"I know, we can create a COP OUT, so he can never use it again in future and make his job and his life easier."

This stuff has been 1st and last drafted on the back of a beer mat.

"Sir, the boat hold is filled with explosives."

And not any old explosives - about two hundred oil drums. How the holy fuck did the Joker, aka David Copperfield first rig the hospital, and now not one, but TWO passenger carrying ships with explosive oil drums?!

Are we seeing a pattern yet?

It's called laziness. Lazy, unforgivable script writing in which you write a movie to have all the punch, but grant the audience zero intelligence. It's called being in a hurry to get to the next big scene, but don't give a shit about the gaping, childlike holes you're leaving behind for everyone to see. Because you don't care, there's no patience.

Never attempt to read a Grant Morrison comic. Especially not Batman R.I.P. or Final Crisis. That shit is HIS MO, and it would not surprise me in the least if it was his influence that did it (I've seen so many Morrison fanboys comparing Dark Knight to his shitty excuses of comics).

The only difference is Dark Knight left out small unimportant details. Morrison's writing... pretty much reads like he's schizophrenic or something.
"NOW Batman is hooked on heroin, and NOW Robin sees a guy, NOW Batman is homeless, NOW Nightwing is talking on the phone, NOW Robin is on the moon, NOW Batman is talking to Stan Lee, NOW Nightwing is in an insane asylum, NOW Batman has an imaginary friend, NOW Robin is really a clone of the original Bruce Wayne, NOW Batman is no longer Bruce Wayne..."

I swear to God reading Morrison's crap makes me want to stab myself in the eye.


And in so far as Final Crisis, its REALLY bad when the main story arc is the SHITTIEST comic out of the event (main comic + tie-in series). Marvel is doing a MUCH better job with Secret Invasion.

[Ed Oscuro]

buttcause he GF died and needed someone to project his anger towards, Gordon was the easiest target to convince himself of that that that.

Instead of the fucking Joker who actually caught her, restrained her, surrounded her with explosives, rigging the system to blow up, and actually setting up the scene in motion? Holy serious, well-thought, not-impossible, totally coherent and logical screen-writing, Batman.

Because people who have had their face half burned off are prone to make logical, calm decisions

[Specineff]

Face, not brain.

[JoshF]

That was messed up before the accident.

[Neon]

-Hey check me out, I've rigged this hospit-al to explode. Nice set piece. Any chance we could get a ten second cut of some henchmen rigging the place?
Maybe the nurses didn't notice the bombs under the patients beds when they were serving them soup.
Let's face it, Joker managed to rig the hospital with bombs strategically placed in every room, in every wing, on every floor on his own, in zero seconds flat, and it came down like a controlled demolition. Not bad.

THIS SUPERHERO MOVIE WAS COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC, WTF

I wonder what people would say about Heath Ledger's performance were he still alive. Pretentious?

[Ed Oscuro]

Face, not brain.

I'm sure everybody makes rational choices when they were in great pain[/this is no sarcasms]

Add in his already-evident fascist policing tendencies and you see where it comes from

(also, the Joker-esque "give somebody a really bad day and they'll go insane" trick is straight out of the comics anyway, he tried it on Commissioner Gordon once)

-Hey check me out, I've rigged this hospit-al to explode. Nice set piece. Any chance we could get a ten second cut of some henchmen rigging the place?
Maybe the nurses didn't notice the bombs under the patients beds when they were serving them soup.
Let's face it, Joker managed to rig the hospital with bombs strategically placed in every room, in every wing, on every floor on his own, in zero seconds flat, and it came down like a controlled demolition. Not bad.

THIS SUPERHERO MOVIE WAS COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC, WTF

Yeah it looked like a controlled demo...probably because IT WUZ ONE

I wonder what people would say about Heath Ledger's performance were he still alive. Pretentious?

[Chi_Ryu]

Worst thing: It's overrated as hell.

I think a film being "overrated" or "not overrated" is a totally useless thing to comment on. Why should the opinions of other people influence how good/bad a film is to you, especially a totally relative one like this? "Spartacus" is an overrated film, but it is still pretty good in my books. "Plan 9 from Outer Space" is rather underrated but still blows chunks.

For me the worst thing was the h4x0ring into the phone network and turning it all into a sonar net, despite the fact that they were just "normal" phones... I just coudn't suspend my disbelief enough for that one (managed just fine with all the other stuff - and for the record I would be bored stupid seeing goons loading a hospital with explosives - I really don't care how and when they got there).

The film also felt a bit dragged out (and this isn't LOL ATTENTION SPAN as I like long films - one of my faves is Das Boot, f'rinstance).

It was...okay. 7.5.

If it was ok, why have you not given it a 5/10?

I thought it was a good popcorn flick (I like films that are clever, but I also like films that ar just entertaining superficially). Wouldn't want to watch it on anything other than a cinema screen, and wouldn't try to think of it as an intellectual film. I think I'd give it a 7.5/10 (in my book that means "pretty good, considering")

[charlie chong]

"Plan 9 from Outer Space" is rather underrated but still blows chunks.

never that son!!!

robin hood prince of thieves>dark knight

[Skykid]

buttcause he GF died and needed someone to project his anger towards, Gordon was the easiest target to convince himself of that that that.

Instead of the fucking Joker who actually caught her, restrained her, surrounded her with explosives, rigging the system to blow up, and actually setting up the scene in motion? Holy serious, well-thought, not-impossible, totally coherent and logical screen-writing, Batman.

Because people who have had their face half burned off are prone to make logical, calm decisions

Specifneff wins this big time. Not even worth arguing.