What [not shmup] game are you playing now?

Anything from run & guns to modern RPGs, what else do you play?
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hazys wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 4:05 am Dug out my Wii and am currently playing Tatsunoko vs Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars, a high-school favorite of mine. It doesn't seem like a fun game to play on a competitive level, but that's not a concern for me. I love the roster and presentation, and the wacky ideas (like the giant characters). The game is mostly held back by being a Wii exclusive, honestly.
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Arino wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:01 am Just played through "Tainted", an add-on for Quake, it is also part of the official remaster. It was very good.
Those pictures you posted from Bethnet don't do a great job of selling this set's incredible atmosphere. It's not as ornate as something from Arcane Dimensions, nor does it go for the hyper-exaggerated scale of something like the Brutalists Jams, but both the architecture and geometry are definitely a cut above with this one.

And while Quake's combat has never tickled my taint the way Doom's does, the enemy placement here is both intelligent and fiendish (I'd hate to be reductive and say "Plutonia-esque", but there's definitely some Casali DNA in some of the setups lel), and the compact-yet-not-too-cramped layouts allow the author to get the most out of the mobs, rather than allowing the player to bunnyhop and circle-strafe rings around everything.

Not sure how I'd missed it, but thanks for putting me onto it, Kachou!
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Arino wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:09 am
Marc wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:59 am You all need RE4RE in your lives. Might have to give 2 another whirl. Found it mildly enjoyable, but think I'll appreciate it much more second time around.
The Electric Underground says it was very bad. Therefore I won't play it so I can feel like I am part of the elite 8)

Has anybody played RE4 World S? I loved it, this is how you make the player get some sort of survival horror feeling. Ressources are extremely scarce, you really have to make every shot count and use the knife and melee as much as possible:

https://youtu.be/ceamAK4zQWM?si=7VuKuy8o4gXqA61L
Watched it.

Pretentious cunt. He makes assumption after assumption, none of which are correct. Elitism in its worst, most poisonous form. Full of false equivalents and straw man arguments.

As a collector of vinyl, I hear a lot of audiophile bores. This video is the gaming equivalent.

Fuck me, how many videos? He's got a full on chubby for this. And doesn't understand the word 'remake'.

He's the worst Dark Souls 'git gud' cunt.
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There's something I'm TRYING to play in DuckStation, but for some reason it doesn't want to detect any inputs at all. I've had that issue with Pop'n Tanks as well. I feel like it's a regional issue because both games are Japanese, but my other Japanese games work so I don't know what's wrong. Really cool looking game called Panzer Bandits. Just won't accept my controller. :(

EDIT: Ah, you have to set it to digital for some games. This game is immediately sick. God I love the look of games like this.
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Daytime Waitress wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:12 pm
Arino wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:01 am Just played through "Tainted", an add-on for Quake, it is also part of the official remaster. It was very good.
Those pictures you posted from Bethnet don't do a great job of selling this set's incredible atmosphere. It's not as ornate as something from Arcane Dimensions, nor does it go for the hyper-exaggerated scale of something like the Brutalists Jams, but both the architecture and geometry are definitely a cut above with this one.
I agree 100%! I wanted to post some pictures so that was all I could find but I also thought they don't do the maps justice and they could have taken better screenshots than those.
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Coming up on the end of Tomb Raider 1. Fuck me, such a fun game! The mutants are horrifying.

Edit: Finished Tomb Raider 1! An extremely enjoyable experience all-around. I played and completed most levels blind, or largely blind. I only looked up where to go if I'd spent something like 20+ minutes wandering around without finding anything I could use to progress. I know I looked up where to go in Cistern, but I can't remember if I bothered for any other levels. I almost did in Natla's Mine, but eventually did figure out where to go for the spark plugs.

Aside from a couple of dud levels, like Natla's Mines and Cistern, I thought the overall level design was strong. The game only has a couple of timed segments with tight timing, which was my main worry. I'm really terrible at timed challenges. If I have enough time to relax and think, then I can usually figure out how to pass the obstacle. But I get flustered with a time limit.

The remaster visuals are nice, but the original look is much cleaner. It's easier to tell what can be interacted with using the original visuals. The updated visual style has shadows on objects. This is fine, except when the shadows hide something which the original visuals explicitly show you. The original visuals, I assume, are some kind of baked-in lighting. So when there's a big bright spot underwater, that's like a sign from the developers to maybe look there. The new visuals "realistically" apply shadows, and this means they get haphazardly applied. Sometimes the end result is you can't see a switch, lever or shotgun shell in the remastered visuals, where it was super obvious in original graphics. That's one of my two complaints about the remaster's visuals.

The second complaint is the remaster camera. It's actually quite a bit worse than OG camera, and the funny part is the camera behavior changes when you switch between graphical styles. So you can very easily compare them yourself. The OG camera tries to stay behind Lara whenever it can. Even if it has to get pretty close to her, it will do its best to keep behind her so you can see the jump in front of you. Remastered camera has an extreme aversion to getting too close to Lara. It will instead frame her in an almost fixed camera angle whenever her back is remotely close to a wall, and will refuse to go behind her. You have to create a very large amount of room behind Lara before the remastered camera will decide it's ok to move behind her and show you the way forward again. There are some strategies to finagle the camera, but they don't always work and sometimes the camera will just snap away and go back to watching Lara from a straight-ahead view. Yes, I know Lara is attractive, but I am trying to look at ancient ruins, game. :roll:

All this to say I initially started out using the Remastered camera and swapped to it occasionally to check out the sick new visuals, bro! But mostly played using the original graphics. Original camera was so much more playable and underwater sections are easier to see in the OG visual style.

Fantastic game, though. Great progression of levels, every weapon was fun to use, puzzles were tricky but not obnoxious (mostly), combat was tolerable (mostly) and Lara can carry 3000 rounds of uzi ammo in her shorts.
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Is it worth it to keep trudging through Nier Automata?

I'm about four hours in, and this game is kinda underwhelming. The biggest issue is that it doesn't respect your time. I had to shut it down when it asked me to walk to the base and then right back to where I just was. All without fast travel or a halfway decent compass, just so I could give the main guy a random gizmo. This is like Red Dead Redemption 2 levels of not respecting the player's time.
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Nier Automata sucks. I remember it had good music (none of which I actually remember, so maybe even that wasn't that good), but the rest of the game was not great. I dropped it at about the 60%~70% point. I've thought about giving it another shot recently, but... nah. It's probably the most pretentious game ever made and mechanically has the depth of a teaspoon, so it's both boring to play and ridiculous to be subjected to.
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Nier Automata is... a thing. The grounded combat's not awful, though once you realize you can infinitely chain dodges to themselves it's not terribly tough. However, there's way too many mediocre shmup and hacking sequences. You can ignore the hacking, but it's generally one of the best ways to attack tougher enemies.

Story spoilers here: viewtopic.php?p=1553067#p1553067

Long and short of it is it's got lovely music and graphics but the plot's a damn mess with no real payoff in the end, with the second half being entirely driven by a lack of communication between the main characters, which is one of the dumbest ways to drive a plot. If the only way you can make your plot dramatic is by deliberately refusing to have characters communicate with each other, your plot's probably bad. The best ending also suddenly throws a shmup sequence that's absurdly hard unless you connect the game online, where the online elements for the rest of the game are even more shallow than in Dark Souls and the game is usually better offline. Good luck getting that ending when the servers eventually shut down.

I've seen footage of the first Nier and while the combat's not necessarily the greatest ever the plot is far better and actually wraps up in a satisfying and coherent way, with the remaster offering an extended ending sequence of sorts. Go play that instead.
All without fast travel or a halfway decent compass
The game does give you fast travel and a full map to refer to, but fast travel takes a bit of time for it to be unlocked, like 6 or 8 hours? I can't remember but you eventually get it. The game world's small enough that running around is decently quick when you dash everywhere, and you can eventually get speed boost chips that speed up travel a lot if you like. Note that the various materials you can find lying around do respawn, and there's some things to explore and find if you go looking along the way, so I didn't find the walking around particularly problematic in Automata.

As for me, I've been messing with Dark Souls online, and I gotta say, it's awful. PvP matchmaking is a mess and invasions tend to interrupt you when you're doing other shit, meaning you either stay hollowed the whole time and deal with bloodstains, troll messages, and naked ghosts everywhere, or you undo hollowing and get invaded by people who have twinked builds when you're just trying to mess around. The game's also not built for cooperative PvE either, with 90% of the online experience being around PvP interactions. Coop is either useless (hi 4Ks) or game breaking (most of the bosses, even offline there's a bunch you can summon NPCs for to trivialize them, there's exactly one boss who's much harder if you summon due to how the fight works). Playing solo is a far better experience for the bosses.

If I want online PvP I'll play something more balanced like a fighting game, thanks. For PvE coop, the EDF games are far better, I've been playing the Switch ports which have some active Japanese players who've been fun to play with.
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BareKnuckleRoo wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:45 amAs for me, I've been messing with Dark Souls online, and I gotta say, it's awful. PvP matchmaking is a mess and invasions tend to interrupt you when you're doing other shit, meaning you either stay hollowed the whole time and deal with bloodstains, troll messages, and naked ghosts everywhere, or you undo hollowing and get invaded by people who have twinked builds when you're just trying to mess around. The game's also not built for cooperative PvE either, with 90% of the online experience being around PvP interactions. Coop is either useless (hi 4Ks) or game breaking (most of the bosses, even offline there's a bunch you can summon NPCs for to trivialize them, there's exactly one boss who's much harder if you summon due to how the fight works). Playing solo is a far better experience for the bosses.

If I want online PvP I'll play something more balanced like a fighting game, thanks. For PvE coop, the EDF games are far better, I've been playing the Switch ports which have some active Japanese players who've been fun to play with.
Had never been into FromSoft stuff, but rode with a couple of buddies on Elden Ring for quite a while and just had to drop it precisely because of the online. With three players wailing on stuff it rarely felt like it was balanced, but I was genuinely enjoying dunking on enemies and just exploring with the lads... and then you'd inevitably get interrupted by, as you said, some twink fuck who's sole purpose was griefing. For people that like that sort of thing, that's the sort of thing those people like. But fucking miss me with it when I'm vibing out here on the blood lake, cuz.
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In DS1 you can set the settings to offline mode and have a 3rd person open world King's Field style exploration delight, but I'm not sure if Elden Ring lets you do this. Staying in hollowed form avoids invasions and lets you still offer coop help though, but you have to deal with messages and crap everywhere killing the immersion a bit.
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BareKnuckleRoo wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 12:10 pm In DS1 you can set the settings to offline mode and have a 3rd person open world King's Field style exploration delight, but I'm not sure if Elden Ring lets you do this. Staying in hollowed form avoids invasions and lets you still offer coop help though, but you have to deal with messages and crap everywhere killing the immersion a bit.
Souls games are always best with online features disabled. Especially Demon's Souls because of how world tendency works, although I think they changed that for the PS5 version.
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BareKnuckleRoo wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 12:10 pm In DS1 you can set the settings to offline mode and have a 3rd person open world King's Field style exploration delight, but I'm not sure if Elden Ring lets you do this....
Elden Ring online features are locked behind PS Plus subscription. Just dont pay and you are forced to play offline in the biggest open world ever.
Hopefully you can still disable online if you're subscribed though.
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Not paying for online has always been the best console gaming life hack for fromsoft games. You will still see dev messages but the game world isn't covered with a thousand "sticky white stuff," "amazing chest ahead," and "try finger, but hole" scrawls.

No co-op is also a good thing in fromsoft games, because it forces you to use the npc summons. A few of them are excellent (Big Bro Tarkus), but most are pretty derpy. Combined with boss hp inflation for more players, it can lead to a situation like Gaping Dragon, where adding 2 more derpy npcs dramatically increases the amount of completely random shit the boss will do. Making the fight a lot less predictable.

Being ganked is a part of the fromsoft dna though, so I do think it's good to experience that at least once in your life. If you haven't been Scraping Spear'd by a ganker in Tower of Latria 3-1, have you even lived?
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Had a couple of losses right at the end of Slay the Spire A20 with Silent.

Both decks seemed like ones that shouldn't work. I had a poison deck without a catalyst and a Shiv deck that couldn't do much in the way of blocking.

I will get this one eventually.
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To Far Away Times wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:53 pm Had a couple of losses right at the end of Slay the Spire A20 with Silent.

Both decks seemed like ones that shouldn't work. I had a poison deck without a catalyst and a Shiv deck that couldn't do much in the way of blocking.

I will get this one eventually.
I still did not get the aim of this game, and am too lazy to look up for it on the internet, also dont want to be spoiled.

So maybe you can help me ? Best I could do is get to what looked like the end of a run, then got to fight a seemingly very impossible opponent which had like 10x more HP than what I thought was the last boss, got killed in 2 turns, game over.

I think this happened to me twice, then dropped the game. What the heck am I supposed to do at the end ?
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guigui wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:09 pm So maybe you can help me ? Best I could do is get to what looked like the end of a run, then got to fight a seemingly very impossible opponent which had like 10x more HP than what I thought was the last boss, got killed in 2 turns, game over.

I think this happened to me twice, then dropped the game. What the heck am I supposed to do at the end ?
You gotta build an engine, the more efficient the better. If you've never played a real card game like Magic or Dominion or something before it might take a while to click, but some general rules of thumb:

Figure out what you want your deck to do and laser focus on it. Trying to do a jack of all trades strategy will get you stomped.

Always remove cards from your deck when given the option. A smaller deck means you see your best cards more often. Only add things if you're sure it's good enough to dilute your current card pool.

Consider your relic choices carefully. Some are almost useless, others are totally game-changing. This can vary by character.

Combining card draw effects and 0 energy cards or cards that refund energy can allow you to go infinite. RNG doesn't always bless you with the right cards, but when it does you can basically just sleepwalk through even the final boss. Ironclad is probably the easiest, but I think they all can do it.

Slay the Spire is rewarding if you stick with it; It's a pretty solid engine-builder for a video game. Fairly basic compared to MTG or Dominion or real crazy tabletop shit like Netrunner, but really well done. Took a solid 70-80 hours before it felt too easy.
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Slay the Spire is a game that rewards you the more you play it. Better game knowledge leads to better decision making. I have 250 hours sunk in into it, and I find my self re-evaluating how good cards are.

The secret final boss is indeed ridiculously difficult (think TLB in a shmup), but a lot of people don't bother with grabbing the keys to unlock him. That boss was also not in the earlier editions of the game. I beat the TLB once with each character, but I don't plan on doing that past A0.
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I have always loved Alex Kidd in Miracle World! (minus the rock paper scissors) ... They should make a new one, just like the first one, in 2D, 4k resolution, everything hand drawn, with the budget of a triple A game!

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Thanks for help on Slay the Spire. I did play a lot of MTG so I guess I know how to handle the deckbuilding part in it.
I was just wondering about that True Last Boss and got my answer : way too hard for common people !
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Arino wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:42 am I have always loved Alex Kidd in Miracle World! (minus the rock paper scissors) ... They should make a new one, just like the first one, in 2D, 4k resolution, everything hand drawn, with the budget of a triple A game!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-lwoMDdzwI

I assume you already know about the DX version with the new visuals. It's the same thing as that Dragon's Trap remaster. The gameplay is unchanged but new hd graphics were layered over the top of the old sprites.

Big budget Alex Kidd you will probably never get, but hand-drawn graphics are indeed a thing available to you now.
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Sima Tuna wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:05 pm
Arino wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:42 am I have always loved Alex Kidd in Miracle World! (minus the rock paper scissors) ... They should make a new one, just like the first one, in 2D, 4k resolution, everything hand drawn, with the budget of a triple A game!
Spoiler
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-lwoMDdzwI

I assume you already know about the DX version with the new visuals. It's the same thing as that Dragon's Trap remaster. The gameplay is unchanged but new hd graphics were layered over the top of the old sprites.

Big budget Alex Kidd you will probably never get, but hand-drawn graphics are indeed a thing available to you now.
There's also Aggelos, which is basically a love letter to Wonder Boy and not too far off the mark from Alex Kidd.
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Sima Tuna wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:05 pm
Arino wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:42 am I have always loved Alex Kidd in Miracle World! (minus the rock paper scissors) ... They should make a new one, just like the first one, in 2D, 4k resolution, everything hand drawn, with the budget of a triple A game!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-lwoMDdzwI

I assume you already know about the DX version with the new visuals. It's the same thing as that Dragon's Trap remaster. The gameplay is unchanged but new hd graphics were layered over the top of the old sprites.

Big budget Alex Kidd you will probably never get, but hand-drawn graphics are indeed a thing available to you now.
Thank you, I am aware of this :)
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I’m playing Ultimate NES Remix on 3DS instead of the new game that released. It’s fun but wow this dpad is horrible on the OG 3DS.
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vol.2 wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:40 pm
There's also Aggelos, which is basically a love letter to Wonder Boy and not too far off the mark from Alex Kidd.
But way, way better than both.

I love Wonderboy, but few of the games are really much better than mediocre, with level design usually being either uninspired or repetitive.
They just have a nice charm and core concept that I find really appealing. Aggelos takes that and makes an actually great game out of it, with fun boss battles and super engaging stages and challenges. Remember to play it on Hard mode.
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Sumez wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:55 am
vol.2 wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:40 pm
There's also Aggelos, which is basically a love letter to Wonder Boy and not too far off the mark from Alex Kidd.
But way, way better than both.

I love Wonderboy, but few of the games are really much better than mediocre, with level design usually being either uninspired or repetitive.
They just have a nice charm and core concept that I find really appealing. Aggelos takes that and makes an actually great game out of it, with fun boss battles and super engaging stages and challenges. Remember to play it on Hard mode.
Thank you for saying this. I was always wondering if Aggelos is worth playing!
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I'm actually stuck on aggelos so haven't played it in while. It was pretty great until that point though :roll:
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Sumez wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:55 am
vol.2 wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:40 pm
There's also Aggelos, which is basically a love letter to Wonder Boy and not too far off the mark from Alex Kidd.
But way, way better than both.

I love Wonderboy, but few of the games are really much better than mediocre, with level design usually being either uninspired or repetitive.
They just have a nice charm and core concept that I find really appealing. Aggelos takes that and makes an actually great game out of it, with fun boss battles and super engaging stages and challenges. Remember to play it on Hard mode.
Just bought it and started a new game on hard as you said. Playing it in bed on my new Switch Lite :) Seems like a dope game! Thank you for recommending it :D :D :D
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Arino wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:51 am
Sumez wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:55 am
vol.2 wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:40 pm
There's also Aggelos, which is basically a love letter to Wonder Boy and not too far off the mark from Alex Kidd.
But way, way better than both.

I love Wonderboy, but few of the games are really much better than mediocre, with level design usually being either uninspired or repetitive.
They just have a nice charm and core concept that I find really appealing. Aggelos takes that and makes an actually great game out of it, with fun boss battles and super engaging stages and challenges. Remember to play it on Hard mode.
Just bought it and started a new game on hard as you said. Playing it in bed on my new Switch Lite :) Seems like a dope game! Thank you for recommending it :D :D :D
Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Glad you likes! It does get hard though.
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