Ridley Scott to direct prequel to Alien!!!!!!....

[GaijinPunch]

Featurette

[CMoon]

here is a quote from Scott:

NASA and the Vatican agree that [it is] almost mathematically impossible that we can be where we are today without there being a little help along the way... That’s what we’re looking at [in the film], at some of Erich von Däniken’s ideas of how did we humans come about.[59]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/r ... omi-206321

NASA?? Where did he get that from?

I'm not only with you on my skepticism toward the NASA quote, but honestly this is the one aspect of Prometheus I'm really not looking forward to. It's like stuffing Alien into the framework of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. A discussion about the absurdity of the whole Chariots of the Gods nonsense belongs elsewhere, but it feels like a very cliched device to be bringing into an Alien prequel (or whatever the hell it is.) I sure hope the movie stands up well as entertainment despite the fantasy/delusional Däniken BS.

[GaijinPunch]

My guess is there will be a bit left up to viewer interpretation. You would hope so, anyway. Neither Alien nor Blade Runner, Scott's two most seminal works, spoon feed the audience.

[idchappy]

I must go and see this, don't think it's the wife's cup of tea though

[sven666]

here is a quote from Scott:

NASA and the Vatican agree that [it is] almost mathematically impossible that we can be where we are today without there being a little help along the way... That’s what we’re looking at [in the film], at some of Erich von Däniken’s ideas of how did we humans come about.[59]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/r ... omi-206321

NASA?? Where did he get that from?
Nevermind the link between the Vatican and Math lol.

Anyway, can't wait to see this.

L-O-L

someone has a case of hybris..

they should rename it : "aliens 5 - approved by the pope"

[JBC]

I've heard reports of people within NASA and the Vatican stating that the existence of extraterrestrial life is highly probable for years. Not so sure if there have ever been any big, official statements made about their standpoint but even if there were I still wouldn't care what they think. Those organizations are made up of individuals and their individual opinions are probably no more valid or informed than anyone else's. I can't say that I remember specifically hearing about them supporting Von Daniken's theories, but I'm sure some of them buy into it.

In my personal opinion I'm pretty sure life exists elsewhere in the universe but the idea of us having been seeded here seems wacky. Way to undermine all of our accomplishments as a species Here's a hilarious video of Alex Jones collecting a paycheck by claiming Prometheus is a SUPER TOP SECRET ILLUMINATI PROJECT OMG

I'm not going to bash Ridley Scott for wanting to base his flick around the idea. If you research the history of Alien you'll see that it was his original intention, but most of the stuff he wanted to do couldn't have been properly achieved in 1979. Here's a really cool blog that delves deep into the history of the film.

I guess my point is that I wouldn't say Ridley Scott is full of hubris, I'd say he's a film maker who's making a science fiction film. One that will probably be pretty great too.

[GaijinPunch]

You don't need someone in NASA to tell you there is probably life out there. You need someone that has a basic grasp of numbers and probability. So... just about anyone.

[antron]

Right, but there is nothing to suggest life here was seeded (or even helped along as in 2001) by alien life. It had to start somewhere, so why couldn't it just start here on it's own?

[sven666]

It had to start somewhere, so why couldn't it just start here on it's own?

I heard some people believe a magical guy in the clouds made it?

[louisg]

someone has a case of hybris..

Oh, I've totally got a case of that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa-Ws6BT7-M

[GaijinPunch]

Right, but there is nothing to suggest life here was seeded (or even helped along as in 2001) by alien life. It had to start somewhere, so why couldn't it just start here on it's own?

Ah, yeah. That one seems to be up in the air. Although as there's several degrees of magnitude more diversity away from Earth, it seems to lean in that favor.

[Ed Oscuro]

Entertainers who think they're educators...never happened before, has it?

[CMoon]

Dude, Sagan was a scientist long before he was offered a television show. He was also a very effective educator. I don't get the connection with Prometheus and Ridley Scott.

...And I'll reiterate my view that I'm not bothered with the hokey alien visitation thing so much as I think its very tired and cliched. Clarke and Kubrick did it about as well as it will ever be done. Perhaps Scott will do it well here, but will it be more than a reiteration of Crystal Skull/X files?

[CMoon]

Right, but there is nothing to suggest life here was seeded (or even helped along as in 2001) by alien life. It had to start somewhere, so why couldn't it just start here on it's own?

Ah, yeah. That one seems to be up in the air. Although as there's several degrees of magnitude more diversity away from Earth, it seems to lean in that favor.

I rather would like to see origins of life kept out of this thread, but there has been a lot of new research done on this that is required reading for an educated discussion on the matter. 'Life Ascending' wouldn't be a bad start for anyone serious, but I'm sure there's much better. Anyway, not only requires a lot of talk about biochemistry, but is so far removed from things like the Miller-Urey experiment that most people aren't qualified to discuss it. Personally from what I've read, I just don't see any reason to think it would not have started here.

If someone actually wants to discuss that stuff, it definitely needs its own thread.

[GaijinPunch]

Dude, Sagan was a scientist long before he was offered a television show. He was also a very effective educator. I don't get the connection with Prometheus and Ridley Scott.

Yeah, right? WTF? How can you bash Sagan for anything? He was also a very effective author before being on (public access) TV.

[Origin of Life]

Personally I don't have much of an opinion either way, although I find the term "here" quite relative when we're talking about something so long ago, as the Earth was pummeled by shit for ages.

[Ed Oscuro]

Dude, Sagan was a scientist long before he was offered a television show. He was also a very effective educator. I don't get the connection with Prometheus and Ridley Scott.

That's right. What I tried to say was that Carl Sagan was somebody who was a scientist first, not some entertainer who thinks he has some deep knowledge to share via the medium of CGI aliens tearing up costumed actors. Sorry to anyone who thought I would have attempted to impugn Carl Sagan's integrity like this, and double sorry to anybody who believed it to be true!

[PC Engine Fan X!]

From one of the new trailers, it mentions a new release date of June 1st, 2012 instead of the older release date of 6/08/12. That'd be a whole week earlier if 20th Century Fox does good on it's word.

It's just extra frosting on the cake to view Prometheus in 3D...I'll definitely watch it in 3D for a few dollars more. Makes me wonder if Mr. Scott had envisioned the Alien prequel to be shot in 3D from the beginning or if the Fox studio decided that on that format at the last minute.

After watching the 2032 A.D. TED talk with the Peter Weyland character on YT, it's easy to see that the Weyland Corporation is up to it's dirty tricks again (in the Alien movies, the "Company" is known as the Weyland-Yutani conglomerate...an American & Japanese joint business venture indeed).

On the Blu-Ray disc of the Director's Cut of Blade Runner, there are some prominent Weyland-Yutani logo stickers placed within the video phone booth kiosk when Deckard is calling Rachael asking her out for a drink. This is the only visual clue that the WY Co. exists within the BR universe alongside with the Tyrell Corporation.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[GaijinPunch]

I read ages ago about it being in 3D... apparently it's what Scott has wanted all along.

[RGC]

Can't wait for this. But I will if it means waiting for it to be shown in 2D...

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Fox's plan is to show Prometheus in both 3D and 2D formats on day one of release stateside. It'll certainly be cheaper on the wallet if viewed in 2D, especially during bargin matinee time slots.

Expect the usual advance sneak preview showing at 11:59pm the night before for the hardcore sci-fi crowd.

It's a given that the press will be able to view it well before that Thursday night advance screening with ease to compile their movie review in time for publication. Of course, some film studios choose not to release their films for the press to review for fear that it'll hurt their potential revenue earnings at the box office (this is true with some lower budgeted films). Not to mention the cool promotional swag that the Fox studio gives to theaters to show it. It's business as usual within the Hollywood film industry (with the studios' marketing campaign divisions -- it's common nowdays to see budgets of 100-150 million spent easily to promote a triple "A" big budget film for both domestic & international markets).

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[GaijinPunch]

There really is only one way to watch this: 3D, day one, sitting next to PCEFX.

[sven666]

saw the cinematic trailer for this yesterday in an actual cinema, and while i thought it looked promising before it doesnt come of well there, looks more like the mindless sci-fi action/special FX showcase were used to seeing..

"They went looking for our origin..."

*loads of explosions and people jumping about or screaming "nooo" or big ships crashing*

".. but they found our end"

--- PROMETHEUS ---

cliche as fuck i hope its just shit lazy marketing.

[Skykid]

saw the cinematic trailer for this yesterday in an actual cinema, and while i thought it looked promising before it doesnt come of well there, looks more like the mindless sci-fi action/special FX showcase were used to seeing..

"They went looking for our origin..."

*loads of explosions and people jumping about or screaming "nooo" or big ships crashing*

".. but they found our end"

--- PROMETHEUS ---

cliche as fuck i hope its just shit lazy marketing.

Been saying that since I first saw the trailer on the net. I'm going to wait for reactions but I'll probably go and see it (haven't been to the cinema in ages now) but this faith in modern Hollywood actually doing justice to the franchise is dangerous. You're almost asking to be disappointed.

If they can fuck up Indiana Jones and Star Wars, Alien is on a wing and a prayer.

[JBC]

I don't think you could really do any more damage to Alien than what was already done by AvP. If anything stuff could only get better, but if not it's no big loss.

Alien and Aliens exist, unchanged and unhindered if you just dismiss everything that's come after. And I do... oh how I do.

I am kind of interested to see where Gearbox takes the Aliens story with it's Colonial Marines game that's coming out December 2037. If it sucks too, I'll just toss it in my mental recycle bin.

[Mischief Maker]

Those organizations [NASA and the Vatican] are made up of individuals and their individual opinions are probably no more valid or informed than anyone else's. I can't say that I remember specifically hearing about them supporting Von Daniken's theories, but I'm sure some of them buy into it.

I should certainly hope that the individuals at NASA are better informed than the average schmuck, or launch pads turn into outdoor grills.

I'm not going to bash Ridley Scott for wanting to base his flick around the idea. If you research the history of Alien you'll see that it was his original intention, but most of the stuff he wanted to do couldn't have been properly achieved in 1979. Here's a really cool blog that delves deep into the history of the film.

I'm going to pass the obvious George Lucas reference and say that Scott is a visuals man and not a story man.

I still maintain that if you interpret that Deckard is a Replicant in Blade Runner, as Scott has, it makes Rachael's character redundant, it makes no sense how Deckard is no physical match for any of the replicants, even Pris, the contrast between the Replicants overflowing with passion while Deckard is sullen and withdrawn becomes pointless, and the final confrontation between Batty and Deckard becomes meaningless.

I watched a DVD making-of video where the actual writers of Blade Runner told of one time they were describing a scene in Sebastian's apartment and Scott drifted away from the story and character stuff they were describing and went on some wild tangent about an amazing mouse with a bow-tie that should be part of Sebastian's toy collection.

Want to disabuse yourself of any notion that a movie will have a fine plot with Ridley Scott at the helm? Go watch Legend.

I'm going to see Prometheus because if anything else, I KNOW the movie will be a visual tour-de-force. But if the ending really is one where a crewmember gets turned into a proto-alien but resists killing the female lead because of THE POWER OF WUV OVERCOMES ANY MUTATION, it will be a complete betrayal of Alien 1's theme of the existential horror of humans falling prey to a creature that breeds like a digger-wasp.

Plus that was already the ending to FREAKING SKYLINE! Say it ain't so!

[JBC]

Those organizations [NASA and the Vatican] are made up of individuals and their individual opinions are probably no more valid or informed than anyone else's. I can't say that I remember specifically hearing about them supporting Von Daniken's theories, but I'm sure some of them buy into it.

I should certainly hope that the individuals at NASA are better informed than the average schmuck, or launch pads turn into outdoor grills.

Oh, I'm speaking specifically of their knowledge of extraterrestrial life and the possibility that we were seeded here or helped along by it. On that front, I don't think NASA or the Vatican know much more than the average Joe. Even the top caste members of those organizations are probably just as speculative as anybody.

I'm just not much of a conspiracy theorist when it comes to these things. It's not because I find the idea of aliens to be outlandish, but because I find it to be critical and I wish more people approached the idea professionally. I suppose it's hard to do when we all grow up on the fiction, not to mention the stigma that surrounds it here in the States due to all the hokey redneck abduction cases of yesteryear.

[neorichieb1971]

Where did life start?

Well quoting Aliens....

"Whats laying all these eggs?"

"It must be something we haven't seen yet!"

So there you go, the movie wrapped that one up.

[GaijinPunch]

Where did life start?

Well quoting Aliens....

"Whats laying all these eggs?"

"It must be something we haven't seen yet!"

So there you go, the movie wrapped that one up.

Is this a spoiler? I doubt it, but my 2 yen....











The queen that lays the eggs is born in Prometheus.

[Randorama]

You don't need someone in NASA to tell you there is probably life out there. You need someone that has a basic grasp of numbers and probability. So... just about anyone.

?

Maybe you meant:

So... just about no one, more or less.

I like how this movie seems to take on screen ideas that can be found in the Dark Horse comics, which in turn used rumours and hearsay about what Scott originally wanted to do with Alien(s). I may watch the movie to see if this is the case.

[GaijinPunch]

Dealing w/ space is about the closest in real life you can get to safely invoking infinity. When infinity is invoked, everything is possible -- a random sequence of letters will eventually fall in the order of the bible. Of course, there are a finite number of stars. However, it is a fuck ton. Hence, I say probably life out there... at least I think probably. The Intelligent Life thread started by yours truly is a better place to discuss that though.