People who keep on buying XBOX 360's....

[neorichieb1971]

I'm talking about the kinds of games that make people really scream at shows (I wouldn't do it personally).

Team17 have pretty much got the idea of my concept. I hope that Alien Breed revolution is a huge success for the team.

Last Guardian, Zelda, Mario were the biggest screamers of recent times. Maybe they fell short of expectations but the reality is that Sony and Nintendo put alot of money into those games and they are less forgotten about than other types of games. DCharlie, when you bought your PS3 or 360, did you expect Western influenced games to be so overwhelming on the budgets?

[dcharlie]

i'm starting to get confused by what you are trying to say now. And as big of an Amiga/Team17/Alien breed fan as i am and as excited as i am for the remake it really doesn't look like some mindblowing new twist - infact, it looks to be guilty of all the next gen things you are pointing at the X360/PS3 doing ; it really looks to be nothing more than "Generic Shooter X"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBk9HHJfvm4

i dunno - watching that i didn't feel that excited . I don't see what seperates this from a number of other bog standard shooters (other than it's roots are in the amiga)

But anyways, FEAR NOT for i have the game of you dreams right here
3D DOT GAME HEROES - From Software - PS3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoFYEtj2tDw

gameplay firmly rooted in the past, graphical style reflects retro sensibilities but updated with a truly amazing art style, customisation of your character, frigging SPELUNKER in there etc etc. All with ZELDA WHEN IT WAS GOOD game play! :O

Is this any closer?

[dave4shmups]

This sounds like good news, if it's true:

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/69937 ... o-PSN.html

The only problem would be the amount of space the PS2 games would take up on the PS3's hard drive.

[Specineff]

If that's true, I will murder the first Sony employee I come across.

Now I have to buy my games all over again? Especially when Xenosaga Ep 1 fetches 70 CENTS trade in?

*starts to sharpen his axe, sickle and shiv*

[Elixir]

That sounds too good to be true. Especially when they haven't even finished distributing PS1 titles yet (which, just like Xbox Originals and Virtual Console, will never be completed).

[E. Randy Dupre]

One game every three months, starting with the shit ones and not managing to get to anything decent before the service runs out of steam.

Meanwhile, the Japanese PSN Store will be filled with awesomeness.

[The n00b]

you know Richie, i quite enjoy your rants and whilst i'm sure they all ring true for yourself (as i've been through several bouts of game apathy) the SECOND you start saying things like this :

"I like Miyamoto's visions quite a bit"

you're basically off the friggin charts.

Miyamoto hasn't made anything actually good in an age.

Pikmin was okay, Pikmin 2 was a bit better than okay, Nintendogs was okay, Wii Music was fucking complete and utter garbage.

you say Nintendo / Miyamoto give you something new whilst Sony/MS give you the same thing reskined, yet in Wii Music the ONLY thing he gave you was a friggin Midi player with a Twat-a-ton waggle "play a long but not really" rhythm game that's not even that.

I agree theres a lot of shite this gen, but holding up Miyamoto THIS gen as an example to everyone else is not a great argument IMO.

There ARE great next gen games on X360/PS3 - it's just the wrong games get the focus.

Yeah I pretty much tuned richie out as soon as I saw that. If someone needs to slap a sticker on a game box that says "made by Miyamoto" for you to give a game a chance, well congrats but discussing games with you has become a lost cause. Because then we are discussing a sticker and not games.

Opinions are cool and all but when you start going down this road, just take a step back and consider that you now have more in common with that guy who buys Madden every year without fail than with your average hardcore gamer.

[Elixir]

My frothing demand only comes from whichever company I'm giving a blowjob to.

*is half the thread*

[dave4shmups]

That sounds too good to be true. Especially when they haven't even finished distributing PS1 titles yet (which, just like Xbox Originals and Virtual Console, will never be completed).

Yeah, that's a very good point Elixir. But I hardly think that they'll be putting out "shit" games-I think they'll have some good stuff like Ratchet and Clank games, some MGS games, but I doubt we'll see any NHL 2001!

Oh yeah, here's a video of a guy taking apart a slim-PS3:

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/69920 ... Wiens.html

I would absolutely go with the PS3 after seeing that huge fan, how Sony's working to improve the build quality. As far as PS2 games, you can buy a used "fat" PS2 for pretty cheap at GameStop. As long as it's 2004 or older, it shouldn't have any problems reading blue-backed games, either.

[Elixir]

No, you shouldn't buy a console because of the build quality or failure rate. You should buy a console TO PLAY FUCKING GAMES ON. If there's no games that interest you, there's no reason to purchase the console. Simple as that.

I wish you (and half of this thread and people in general) would just buy both consoles or all consoles or whatever, play whatever you want and enjoy it. I lean more towards the 360, but I don't actively slam the PS3 either. Man, I wish more people were like me.

[The n00b]

No, you shouldn't buy a console because of the build quality or failure rate. You should buy a console TO PLAY FUCKING GAMES ON. If there's no games that interest you, there's no reason to purchase the console. Simple as that.

I wish you (and half of this thread and people in general) would just buy both consoles or all consoles or whatever, play whatever you want and enjoy it. I lean more towards the 360, but I don't actively slam the PS3 either. Man, I wish more people were like me.

I heard that the PS3 is now having what's being called the "yellow light" failure. So maybe you guys should consider a Wii?

[neorichieb1971]

If Panasonic made the 360 I would buy 10 of them. Maybe MS should have outsourced the machines internal workings as 3DO did in the day. I just don't like Microsoft. People call me a Sony fanboy but I'm 10x more anti Microsoft than I am a Sony fanboy.

As for buying both consoles because of the games. Hmmm, I would never buy a 360 based on the games. Maybe a JP NTSC for shmups but for that i'd wait until they were about $80 at retail. The AAA catalog of the 360 is about as inviting to me as sunlight is to Dracula. I don't like FPS, I can play sports but I don't buy new versions because they are all the damn same, racing I would rather buy GT over any other franchise. The only thing left is oddball games, surreal games and sci fi/fantasy. Sci fi/fantasy is my favourite genre but I like it in the ico/sotc/god of war fashion, not in a RPG shell. So again, that makes me want Sony's machine most of all.


You can't play good games on a broken console

You wouldn't play crap games on a reliable console either

The wii is a great side line console. If you own a 360 or PS3 as well as the Wii, you'll likely turn it on for the AAA mario game or whatever, but not much else.

Someone get Panny to make a 360 and i'll definitely look into it.

[dcharlie]

Hmmm, I would never buy a 360 based on the games. Maybe a JP NTSC for shmups but for that i'd wait until they were about $80 at retail. The AAA catalog of the 360 is about as inviting to me as sunlight is to Dracula.

huh?

a huge chunk of the games are identical across the X360 and PS3.

And again - there's like for like in the exclusives (sort of) :

Halo -- Killzone/Resistance
Forza -- GT
Uncharted - Gears of War
Crackdown - InFamous
etc...

and of course we've all seen it - Halo haters who loved Resistance, Forza fans who can't stand GT, etc. It's laughable.

I certainly do a lot more gaming on my X360 than PS3 but i'm a pretty big fan of the ps3 first party line up, but i simply cant fathom people who can like X360 and hate PS3 (or vice versa) based on the games when there's so much overlap in content.

You got your justification right in the first line - you hate MS , the same as others hate Sony or Nintendo. That's all the argument you really need - bringing the games line up into it just seems a bit crazy.

[neorichieb1971]

Its the overlap that is partly the problem.

I don't like MS but I can see that the 360 is more than capable of what I want it to do. Uncharted and Gears are totally different though. The focus of uncharted was a 1p mode. Although with UC2 the emphasis has shifted slightly towards online and I'm betting the 3rd installment will be focused heavily on online, which means I won't buy it. If I want to shoot people whilst going round in circles all day I will buy a 360.

Put simply, all these games are doing the exact same thing with a slightly (and irrelevant) different plot. Even if I buy 10% of the games out there today I will experience the same as I would have if I bought all of them. Thats why only one system out of the 2 HD consoles is necessary.

Like I said before 3 or 4 times, if MS put more emphasis and cash into games that don't fit into their agenda of shoot shoot shoot with bastardized kids shouting down the mic, then sure I would buy into whatever experience they have to offer. Right now they are happy to offer this so called "overlap" and offer nothing else. Therefore I will stick to PS3.

I think if you must buy every game out there then 360 is the better console. More games, online mic for everyone, shoot shoot shoot.. Its great. But if your more selective about your game buying and just want the best, then waiting for the Sony exclusives will do just fine. I'm not going to buy 2 boxes when one is all I need. I understand the FPS titles are better on 360, but I don't like FPS.

I have a friend who buys all the 360 big guns. PGR3 was in his console for ages, but he said that it isn't as good as PGR2. He bought Gears of War and said the graphics were UNBELIEVABLE. I agreed, watched it for an hour and felt bored and frustrated that such graphics were used to run around in circles all day. He said PSO 360 was going to be the bomb.. I watched and watched and saw himself and his family press one button whilst having online conversations... I couldn't believe that is called a game.. It was SOOOOOO monotonous. Halo 3 came out, this was going to be the big one.. The best game EVER! I saw, I watched, I played.. was the same BS with higher rez graphics with the last generation of idiots shouting down the mic. WHATEVER!

After that I gave up. But then I heard bomberman live was coming out.. Rez HD... I played them both and felt that something was missing. Maybe i'm looking for something that doesn't exist, I don't know. I hate bulky pads.. hated the DC pad, the jaguar pad, so the 360 pad just doesn't work for me either. The PS3 pad is what I'm used to. I also loved (LOVED) the GC pad it was amazing.

Someone on shmups said Disney made some good 16bit titles. Can you imagine a 720p update with colourful platforming in 3D could be called Nextgen? I could. Oh wait, we can't have that in this generation, it would cost too much to make and what console would it be on? PS3? No, because they are too busy copying MS.. What about 360? No way hosey, too many FPS guys on that console. So, it never gets made. Its that kind of refreshment I am looking for. Everything is so industrial and real these days. I thought seeking for realtime real life physics and graphics was for nerds. Now its mainstream.

[dcharlie]

, too many FPS guys on that console

erm - you know the Ps3 has roughly the same number of FPS games, if not more?

Someone on shmups said Disney made some good 16bit titles. Can you imagine a 720p update with colourful platforming in 3D could be called Nextgen? I could. Oh wait, we can't have that in this generation

lol, holy shit, for god sake, when will the cartoon style 3d platformer drought end?!

with only Banjo, LBP, Kameo, 3 lego platformers, 3 ratchet games, a couple of crash games, two naruto games, etc etc there is literally NOTHING to quell my thirst!

lol, okay, i clicked - this is a huge set of joke posts, stupid that i didn't click earlier but you got me good and proper.

[neorichieb1971]

Calm down old boy...

Was thinking something along the lines of mario gameplay with a story like Kingdom hearts in HD actually. LBP is a tool, not a game.

I think I might treat myself to a Wii and see what Mario is all about. At least that my quiet me up a little

[gs68]

Give me plenty of good PS3 exclusives and I'll snap up a PS3 Slim. No, Blu-Ray doesn't count. I don't have an HDTV, because 1. I don't feel like (having my parents) plunk down thousands for one and 2. how the fuck am I gonna explain to my parents why I'd keep a CRT when I have an HDTV *coughlagcough*?

[Taylor]

I heard that the PS3 is now having what's being called the "yellow light" failure. So maybe you guys should consider a Wii?

On 0.5% of consoles, there's a 6 page rebuttal to this. Though, according to the Internet, Sony responding means it's really true!

That Watchdog report was not only very dodgy but hosted by a freelance writer for Microsoft (whose column disappeared from the MSN site shortly after). Hot on the heels of the Slim release and equally spurious statistics saying the 360 had a 54% fail rate. Gee.

Bold because you know what will happen.

[Ex-Cyber]

equally spurious statistics saying the 360 had a 54% fail rate.

Wow, that's pretty over the top. The most pessimistic reports I've seen only said around 30%, and I think that might have been from internal QA failures (which of course don't correspond to the failure rate of shipped consoles).

[neorichieb1971]

Everyone I know is on the 3rd or 4th machine. I would say its nearly 90% fail rate for 360. I only know of 2 people that still have the origional machine they bought.

[The n00b]

Everyone I know is on the 3rd or 4th machine. I would say its nearly 90% fail rate for 360. I only know of 2 people that still have the origional machine they bought.

I've heard so many reports of the yellow light failure on internet forums so I'm going to say that the ps3 has a 95% FAIL RATE! I mean why not, right?

And I think Taylor forgot the meaning of freelance in his previous post. A writer being freelance or not has nothing to do with his quality as a journalist. I would have latched onto the fact that he's only one writer and while reports of yellow light failures are getting more widespread, there's not really any verifiable statistics out there.

[Taylor]

I never said being freelance had any relation to a person’s quality as a journalist.

[Skykid]

And again - there's like for like in the exclusives (sort of) :

Halo -- Killzone/Resistance
Forza -- GT
Uncharted - Gears of War
Crackdown - InFamous
etc...

Ha ha, those comparisons are funny.

The two best PS3 exclusives are Little Big Planet and Wipeout HD.

Halo haters who loved Resistance

Who the heck loved Resistance?

[Elixir]

The two best PS3 exclusives are Disgaea 3 and Demon's Souls.

Best PSN title is Noby Noby Boy.

Best future title is 3D Dot Game Heroes.

what.

[Skykid]

The two best PS3 exclusives are Disgaea 3 and Demon's Souls.

Although I'm sure they're great, both are strictly acquired tastes - but then LBP fell into that category too.

ANYWAY...

Mushimesama Futari 1.5 for XBOX 360: REGION FREE.


Lock the thread, it's over.

[dcharlie]

Who the heck loved Resistance?

*raises hand*

really enjoyed the first one both single player and online, it wasn't as -good- as Halo by any stretch of the imagination but it's still a decent fps if you ask me.

anyways, i meant like for like in terms of similar game play rather than quality

[E. Randy Dupre]

To be fair, the general quality of PSN titles is quite a bit higher than that of XBLA titles. That's got little to do with Sony themselves, however, and might also be an illusion created by there being far fewer games total on PSN.

[dave4shmups]

No, you shouldn't buy a console because of the build quality or failure rate. You should buy a console TO PLAY FUCKING GAMES ON. If there's no games that interest you, there's no reason to purchase the console. Simple as that.

I wish you (and half of this thread and people in general) would just buy both consoles or all consoles or whatever, play whatever you want and enjoy it. I lean more towards the 360, but I don't actively slam the PS3 either. Man, I wish more people were like me.

Basing a purchase decision on the build quality of any electrical device is just common sense. You can't play the games as well if the blasted thing keeps breaking down, which 360's do, despite Microsoft's BS promises to fix the problem. They haven't. That 30-some percentage failure rate is from Microsoft; you think I'm gonna trust them to give an accurate percentage?? The 54% failure rate is much closer to the truth; go into any video game store and ask.

And it's not just the build quality; how about the $100 highway robbery price tag for Microsoft's wireless network adapter for something that the console should already be able to do? (And people complain about Wii motion plus. ) Hard wiring is last generation (along with the tray they built into the system, which is just one of many things MS won't fix under their warranty, should it break). There's a reason why about half of 360 owners don't have XBL accounts. The adapter and the $50 price tag just to play online, which MS also hasn't lowered.

Yeah, there are games I want to play on the 360, but there are also plenty I'd like to play on the PS3. So don't slam me for choosing the more durable console.

[Elixir]

You don't HAVE to buy the wireless adapter in order to play online. I don't even use wireless. It's not like it doesn't come with an ethernet port, plus, paying for Xbox Gold is optional and not a requirement.

[dave4shmups]

You don't HAVE to buy the wireless adapter in order to play online. I don't even use wireless. It's not like it doesn't come with an ethernet port, plus, paying for Xbox Gold is optional and not a requirement.

It is if you want to play online with other people. I know it comes with an ethernet port, but I don't want to run like 200 feet of cable out of my room, down a hallway and a flight of stairs, and into the room were our PC is. I'm sure a lot of other gamers are in the same position, and that's why MS should slash the price of that adapter. If you're lucky enough to find one used, it still fetches $70.00. Or you can buy the Pelican brand, but their accessories generally aren't that great.

Look, I'm sorry I went overboard in my last post; the 360 does have a LOT of great games that I'd love to play. But, despite what I've heard about most Arcade models being Jaspers, the continued failures worry me-especially now that the warranty is down to one year. If MS had built a console as durable as the PS3 from the get-go, I doubt that even with the slim Sony would ever catch up (here in the States, that is). I know from working at GameStop that the problems with the 360 have led some people over to Sony's side, if you will.