The PS Vita Thread - Remote Play for all PS4 Games

[Skykid]

Was there an option to start Ys II right off the bat?

Yep!

it really does get addicting.

Oh how I winced!

[dunpeal2064]

I'll rephrase: It really does become habit-forming! (Okay, okay, I should have just said "Its fun!")

I've been on the fence about finally picking up a handheld (again), and am leaning towards the Vita. Are all of the PSP Ys games able to be downloaded?

[Skykid]

I've been on the fence about finally picking up a handheld (again), and am leaning towards the Vita. Are all of the PSP Ys games able to be downloaded?

I believe so, yes. And the latest is Vita exclusive I understand. Although I'm more likely to play the SFC games on my flash cart, since some wonderful people have done full translations.

I'll rephrase: It really does become habit-forming! (Okay, okay, I should have just said "Its fun!")

"It really does get addictive" should do it.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Does anyone know, since these are packaged together, if the stats or general character info carries over to Ys II?

Nothing gets carried over.

Also, Ys II is a much better game. You`ll be amazed by how much. The SFC ones, on the other hand, are rather unexceptional.

Are all of the PSP Ys games able to be downloaded?

Yes, with the exception of Ys VI: The Ark of Napishtim(which was done by Konami).

[dunpeal2064]

Ah, I thought we were going the route of "addiction means something you have to do, or else you'll suffer" sort of thing. You got me again!

In my defense, its 4am


So, do the added features of the newer model outweigh the OLED? I've never played a Vita, but have heard that the OLED is sex for the eyes.

Are all of the PSP Ys games able to be downloaded?

Yes, with the exception of Ys VI: The Ark of Napishtim(which was done by Konami).

Awesome. I won't miss Ark of Napishtim. Played it on the PSP and was not a fan. If I do for some reason feel the need to try it again, I'll probably go for the PS2 port, just to see if it is any better.

[Skykid]

Also, Ys II is a much better game. You`ll be amazed by how much. The SFC ones, on the other hand, are rather unexceptional.

But SFC is like horny gaming pheromones to me. I assume the PSP versions got some kind of 3D graphical overhaul? I'll go 2D where possible, but if you have advice on what you consider the best version, it would be great for the record (I'm still a while off though, gotta get through these first!)

Ah, I thought we were going the route of "addiction means something you have to do, or else you'll suffer" sort of thing. You got me again!

It's just that newfangled youtube gaming phraseology that makes me want to peel for the nearest window. I'll live though, don't worry!

So, do the added features of the newer model outweigh the OLED? I've never played a Vita, but have heard that the OLED is sex for the eyes.

God no. Not for me. I don't like the 2000 being slimmer and rounder (and lighter). Lacks the same solidity. The OLED is of course the reason why the 1000 will probably be the greatest rip off on ebay auctions to come, too. Get ready for that.

[ZellSF]

From hands-on reports, the Vita 2000 screen isn't a significant downgrade (it is one though) and the battery life is a bigger upgrade than Sony says.

So it's screen quality vs battery life and size.

I don't think you'll regret either choice, but expect mint condition OLED Vitas to be hard to find in a few years.

[Jonathan Ingram]

But SFC is like horny gaming pheromones to me. I assume the PSP versions got some kind of 3D graphical overhaul? I'll go 2D where possible, but if you have advice on what you consider the best version, it would be great for the record (I'm still a while off though, gotta get through these first!)

I suggest that you play the series in a chronological order. Once you`re finished with Ys I&II, start on Ys: The Oath in Felghana, a full remake of Ys III which completely overhauls graphics and gameplay mechanics. It`s widely regarded as having the best OST in the series and being the best Ys overall. Watch this awesome trailer(made me import the game ten years ago). Keep in mind that the PC version is much nicer looking and runs at 60fps, but the PSP one is pretty good too all things considered.

The SFC-exclusive entries are Ys IV: Mask of the Sun(there`s also an Ys IV game on Turbo Duo, but it`s a different game altogether) and Ys V: Lost Kefin, the Kingdom of Sand. You can play them if you absolutely must - just don`t expect anything amazing as they are completely by the number. Neither is present on the PSP in any form. There are Taito remakes of these games on the PS2, but they are very cheap-looking.

[dunpeal2064]

Isn't Ys III on the sfc also exclusive? Or, at least completely different than the PCE/PSP games?

I've heard mixed opinions on Ys V, especially since the translation was finished. Some people say its one of the best Ys games, although my guess would be because it is more along the lines of a traditional JRPG?

[replayme]

Does one have to start at Ys I, or can I skip straight to Ys VII? Better yet, can I not just buy Vita exclusive Celceta and enjoy that straight away?

In other words, do the Ys games carry on from each other, or are they separate (and distinct) entries ala Final Fantasy?

[ZellSF]

They're separate entries, but they do reference eachother. I don't think playing them out of order will do any harm, the plot of the games is pretty unimportant.

That said, I think you should play all of them, and you might as well do it in order.


Edit: Skykid: Ys series is mostly known for its music, it's not something you wish to experience through terrible SNES synth.

[Skykid]

But SFC is like horny gaming pheromones to me. I assume the PSP versions got some kind of 3D graphical overhaul? I'll go 2D where possible, but if you have advice on what you consider the best version, it would be great for the record (I'm still a while off though, gotta get through these first!)

I suggest that you play the series in a chronological order. Once you`re finished with Ys I&II, start on Ys: The Oath in Felghana, a full remake of Ys III which completely overhauls graphics and gameplay mechanics. It`s widely regarded as having the best OST in the series and being the best Ys overall. Watch this awesome trailer(made me import the game ten years ago). Keep in mind that the PC version is much nicer looking and runs at 60fps, but the PSP one is pretty good too all things considered.

The SFC-exclusive entries are Ys IV: Mask of the Sun(there`s also an Ys IV game on Turbo Duo, but it`s a different game altogether) and Ys V: Lost Kefin, the Kingdom of Sand. You can play them if you absolutely must - just don`t expect anything amazing as they are completely by the number. Neither is present on the PSP in any form. There are Taito remakes of these games on the PS2, but they are very cheap-looking.

So Ys III is best not played in its original side on perspective - did hear some negative press about that one. But I'm a mac user, so Felghana PC is out for me. The PSP version does have the same 3 soundtrack options and an improved battle feature apparently, so that would suit me best.

Is Celceta a remake of IV then?

How confusing!

[dunpeal2064]

Nope, Celteca is a different IV. So, there are 3 (?) Ys IVs

[Skykid]

Nope, Celteca is a different IV. So, there are 3 (?) Ys IVs

Can someone (Ingram, will you do it) give a chronological list of the best order to play which versions of the games, and which are genuinely standalone (separate stories with no real chronology.)

[ZellSF]

Nope, Celteca is a different IV. So, there are 3 (?) Ys IVs

Can someone (Ingram, you do it) give a chronological list of the best order to play which versions of the games, and which are genuinely standalone (separate stories with no real chronology.)

Ys IV: Memories of Celceta is Falcom making their own chronological version of Ys IV. Both other versions were done by different companies.

Ys: Memories of Celceta takes place before Ys: Oath in Felghana, but besides that it's all pretty logical:

Ys Origins
Ys I & II
Ys IV (Memories of Celceta)
Ys III (Oath in Felghana)
Ys V
Ys VI (Ark of Napishtim)
Ys Seven

They're all fairly standalone games, really.

[Jonathan Ingram]

^
Yes. The SFC Ys IV was considered the canon one(although Ys IV for Turbo Duo is a much better game), but has now been replaced by Celceta.

How confusing!

Nah, it`s all very simple. You want confusing? - Look no further than Falcom`s own Dragon Slayer series:

[Ganelon]

I'd still go for PCE Ys III's music (including the synth versions of many of the pieces, although the MD version tended to have the best synth versions) and mechanics. Anyone who can stand the US version of Popful Mail should be able to deal just fine with Ys III's mechanics.

I also believe that the majority of of SS Ys I & II's anime sequences look better than the Eternal/Complete/Chronicles equivalents, even at lower resolution. Anybody who really enjoys the games would probably find douple-dipping into the other versions a worthwhile experience.

As for that chart, yeah, the Dragon Slayer/The Legend of Heroes series is even more convoluted than the Wonder Boy/Monster series. And it doesn't even get into other spinoffs like The Legend of Xanadu, the Sora no Kiseki Material Collection (and Material Collection mini), and Ys vs. Sora no Kiseki. But thankfully, the Dragon Slayer line itself is pretty much gone.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Anyone who can stand the US version of Popful Mail should be able to deal just fine with Ys III's mechanics.

The Sega CD version of Popful Mail would be a pretty average game were it not for the localization by Working Designs. I`d argue that it still is, by any standard.

[Ganelon]

I really enjoy SCD Popful Mail for the magical atmosphere (and strongly prefer the sidescrolling perspective for ARPGs) but yeah, it would've tanked worse than Normy's Beach Babe-O-Rama as a standard sidescroller with its slippery controls, 2 in. sword, and 3-hit deaths (same problems that folks usually deride Ys III for...).

[Jonathan Ingram]

Yes, I do love the game too. The atmosphere, the zany characters and the ridiculous dialogue. Sven T. Uncommon alone is enough to keep me coming back to it. Can`t resist the manliness.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

From hands-on reports, the Vita 2000 screen isn't a significant downgrade (it is one though) and the battery life is a bigger upgrade than Sony says.

So it's screen quality vs battery life and size.

I don't think you'll regret either choice, but expect mint condition OLED Vitas to be hard to find in a few years.

Considering that the Vita 1000 models came with a 2200mah Li-Po battery pack (which was not user removable) but with the optional Sony PS Vita remote charger battery pack with it's more robust overall 5000mah capability, it'd certainly extend the gaming time/playability quite easily -- just the ticket for those marathon Vita gaming stints. Add two of those rechargeable 5000mah batteries to your Vita hardware collection and you're good to go.

Yep, a Vita with an OLED screen setup is pure eye-candy indeed. Playing those high-def 1280 x 720 videos on one, is absolutely gorgeous.

The Augmented Reality functionality with the included deck of cards is rather novel unto itself -- it's more a tech demo at best.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[BulletMagnet]

Awesome. I won't miss Ark of Napishtim. Played it on the PSP and was not a fan. If I do for some reason feel the need to try it again, I'll probably go for the PS2 port, just to see if it is any better.

It is; there are a handful of not-so-great things about it, but they're minor quibbles when the game actually runs smoothly, unlike the choppy-as-heck PSP port (on a personal note, VI on the PS2 was the first Ys I played, and while the fanbase is generally down on it the game was good enough to get me into the series). Presumably the PC original is the best option overall, as per usual, but I'm not sure there was ever an English release of that.

[ZellSF]

There's a fan translation of the PC version.

The font of the PSP version hurts my eyes and is a much worse issue than the loading times and framerates.


Edit: btw, I said that all the Ys games are separate, I forgot to mention since we sort of already went over that, but: this does not apply to Ys I & II. Don't play Ys II before Ys I. While it is fairly standalone... Just don't. Feel free to play Ys I & II after the other games though.

[ZellSF]

Game title of Vita PSP exploitable game is now available (if you know where to look). Not having the free space for any PSP games, I'm not going to bother with it.

Edit: 10$, 441MB. Nothing you're likely to want (or already have) for anything but CFW.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Skykid, if you want dat Progear on dat OLED, now`s your chance - don`t miss it.

P.S. Progear really is gorgeous on Vita`s screen. Worth getting eCFW for it alone.

[Friendly]

How fast does the new exploitable game boot? I need to decide if I should update my secondary Vita which currently has the UNO exploit installed.

PS. Please do not mention the name of the game here.

[Skykid]

Sadly I think I'm out of the picture with 3.0.1 fw. I'll have to wait for the next one. Played plenty of Progear anyway but it would have been nice.

[ZellSF]

How fast does the new exploitable game boot? I need to decide if I should update my secondary Vita which currently has the UNO exploit installed.

PS. Please do not mention the name of the game here.

Keep in mind that on latest Vita PSP-CFW you only get 32MB of RAM for homebrew.

[ZellSF]

[Friendly]

How fast does the new exploitable game boot? I need to decide if I should update my secondary Vita which currently has the UNO exploit installed.

PS. Please do not mention the name of the game here.

Keep in mind that on latest Vita PSP-CFW you only get 32MB of RAM for homebrew.

Which is exactly the same for the UNO exploit, which was on firmware 2.02. Only firmware 2.12 supports high memory (64MB), but there is no kernel exploit for 2.12, only user mode.

EDIT:
My question was about convenience. How fast does the new game boot/load the save?

EDIT2:
I just bought it, it's quick.