New NEOGEO / Dreamcast game: "NEO XYX" NG: DEV.TEAM 2013

[ptoing]

Haha, yeah, just checked. It is actually just 5 pixels it should be moved to the right. But to be fair, even in the Japanese version the logo is off by 1 pixel [/anal]

[chempop]

A new shmup on DC guys, by our very own Rozyrg, go support!

So the yoko-tate modes are glitched, unfortunate but I'm guessing most of us will just play it in Tate anyway (which works fine).

The game is really growing on me. Collecting the bomb fragment, multiplier medals, and grown medals makes for, well, lots of collecting things At first I was disappointed that there were no powerups, weapon/ship selection, but maybe it doesn't need any of that.

The graphics, music, and gameplay is TIGHT. Stages are action packed like a cave game, they don't drag on like some of Toaplan's. All the medal collecting and bomba-ing is similar to Raizing in a way.

I guess my only complaint with the game itself is that some of the mid-boss and bosses aren't exactly balanced according to stage. For example, I'm tempted to say that the stage 2 midboss is more difficult than the stage 5 boss...

Anyone else have impressions yet?

[eckart]

Just order a vga cable for my dreamcast to play it on full tate mode on a naomi cab.
Now i play in yoko-tate on an astro.

Yes, the game is great. I got a good run with 5 mil or so.
The second endboss is not too difficult if you stay in the middle and dodge with speed from left to right.
+ a view bombs.

Thanks Rozyrg!
This is that kind of game witch you allways want to play once more.

[chempop]

Yeah, I pretend the safespots don't exists

[spadgy]

It's starting to sound like the issues/glitches are coming up for the people using custom setups (controller adapters, padhacks for cabs, etc).

I've been playing a solid hour via s-video w/stock DC pads and none of the disk errors are happening. I think I nede to do some further testing before i make a conclusion.. I really hope I can get this running smoothly in my cab.

I've certainly had no problems playing tate with a CRT, official DC stick and first-party cables.

And then I took my copy to play with friends; HDTV, and I'm sure we were using Vertical.S, filter-off, rescaled, through VGA. And the crashing happened on the first credit. JDE, if you're reading this, can you remember; were we playing in Vertical.S mode?

I fear that mode is botched. Which is a shame. As much as I'm a tate-loyalist, if you release a vert for home consoles, a mode for decent sized display on a hori screen has to be the setting the developer irons the most kinks out of, surely?

[eckart]

Had this freeze also in normal tate mode with an original dreamcast pad.

[spadgy]

Had this freeze also in normal tate mode with an original dreamcast pad.

So an absolute freeze that means a restart? Oh dear. In normal tate mode I've had nothing but the small pause as a level boss arrives.

[eckart]

hi spadgy,
yes it was in normal tate a full freeze. Had to restart.
All in all it was maybe 6 freezes/ reboot from +- 200 credits.

[spadgy]

Ow! 6/200 might not sound like much, but that's still too high a chance a high scoring run could suddenly end unfairly.

By the way, if you've played 200 credits, you must have a submission for the Neo XYX high-score board, right?

And the rest of you! Submit your scores!

[MagicT]

hi spadgy,
yes it was in normal tate a full freeze. Had to restart.
All in all it was maybe 6 freezes/ reboot from +- 200 credits.

You are using AV or RGB cabel or VGA box?

I have often freeze the game :/

[emphatic]

What are the different screen modes exactly? I just used Arcade and never looked back...

[eckart]

Spadgy, yes of course, i send my last score.

MagicT, i use a normal RGB cabel.

[MagicT]

I tested a few round the DC version...

Freeze only "vertical.s" screen mode!

I play 2 hours "arcade" screen mode with RGB cable and Saturn pad with adapter - so never freeze the game!

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Nice game 1CC coming

[antares]

I've also only used "Arcade" setting with RGB cable and never experienced any freezes.

[LordHypnos]

I got this game, and it's pretty awesome, but I haven't really gotten a chance to give it proper attention because I still have some improvement I can make in Mars Matrix, I think (not so much in terms of score, but survival), so I haven't played Neo XYX for quite long enough yet to really get the hang of the controls (not that they're complicated) or the hitbox.

I haven't experienced any crashing yet, even playing with my saturn pad (Total Control 3 adapter), but I also haven't gotten that far... I'm playing in TATE mode, btw.

[chempop]

Got to the last stage, why is the stage 5 boss the easiest one in the game?

Plasmo....

[ptoing]

Don't blame Plasmo. From what he told me THE did not take on most of the suggestions Plasmo made, unless it was really gamebreaking stuff.

[BPzeBanshee]

Don't blame Plasmo. From what he told me THE did not take on most of the suggestions Plasmo made, unless it was really gamebreaking stuff.

Incredibly stupid if true. The point of having experienced beta testers is to actually listen to the feedback!

[trap15]

"Incredibly stupid" basically describes THE anyways, so...

[Plasmo]

Since I was involved during a phase where only the flash memory could be changed there wasn't too much THE could do I guess. The unbalanced difficulty was indeed one of the biggest problems we have talked about.

[trap15]

Dunno what they told you, but I'm pretty sure their NG carts can have their code updated via USB cable.

[antron]

this may have been mentioned, but the diagonal movement speed appears to be the full vertical and lateral speeds at once, so 1.4 times either alone. (playing DC version in arcade mode)

or is it even faster? it seems weird.

Is this common? or do most games limit the diagonal speed to whatever the lateral/vertical is? I never thought about it until now.

[ptoing]

I think that most modern shmups compensate this and keep the speed equal across all directions.

[trap15]

Even games as old as 1989 normalize movement vectors... Ugh...

[LordHypnos]

I was just reading about diagonal movement in shmups the other day.
Here's the page: http://shmuptheory.blogspot.com/2010/01 ... d-you.html
It's under "faster than fast"
I, of course, don't know if this guy is right. Maybe they lower it a bit, but keep it faster than right-left-up-down movement, or something. Maybe Neo XYX has increased speed for some stupid reason, or maybe it's just that Neo XYX has such a fast default movement speed that it seems even more too fast

[spadgy]

this may have been mentioned, but the diagonal movement speed appears to be the full vertical and lateral speeds at once, so 1.4 times either alone. (playing DC version in arcade mode)

or is it even faster? it seems weird.

Is this common? or do most games limit the diagonal speed to whatever the lateral/vertical is? I never thought about it until now.

Ah. That might explain why, to me, it feels rather jittery.

[emphatic]

"Not homebrew" my ass.

[ptoing]

What I find pretty horrible as well, as far as the feels department goes, is how the horizontal scrolling is handled.
There is a deadzone before the screen starts moving. This imo should never be the case in a shmup. If the playfield is bigger than the screen the screen should always move as the player moves until they hit the side of the screen.
Like almost every shmup since ages ago does it.

I have a theory about why it is in Neo XYX how it is. Last Hope and Fast Striker do not have a higher/wider playfield than what you see. And then they made Gunlord, where this kinda deadzone scrolling makes sense. But then I think THE just took the scrolling code from that. Just a wild guess. I think it was even pointed out to him by people on here when the first trailer was posted. Oh well...

[Ed Oscuro]

Even games as old as 1989 normalize movement vectors... Ugh...

"No, not like Quake" as the old Shmups Forum member's sig says.

[trap15]

Actually, I was watching Flying Shark just now and that has it. That's fucking 1987. I'm pretty sure even Tiger Heli had normalized movement vectors and that's 1985.

No excuses.