Clearing the 1st loop on 1 credit ever not count as a 1CC?

[MrOldSchoolCool]

Are there any games where this is considered the case?

For example, clearing the 7 stages in Gunbird 2 would count as a 1CC correct?

[trap15]

Well clearing the first loop means you 1 credit cleared the first loop. You didn't 1 credit clear the game because there are two loops.

[MrOldSchoolCool]

Well clearing the first loop means you 1 credit cleared the first loop. You didn't 1 credit clear the game because there are two loops.

But I thought people considered 1ccing the first loop as a 1CC? Since the loops are just repeating the game over with higher difficulty or whatever.

[Bananamatic]

you have 1-ALL and 2-ALL when the game loops

another thing is not meeting the requirements for a stage like in Psyvariar

[shmuppyLove]

And not every game loops, so you need a way to distinguish.

[chempop]

It depends who you ask but to avoid confusion most people use the terms 1-All and 2-All when talking about games with loops.

But then there are infinite looping games, so yeah, I think sometimes it is okay to call a single loop clear a 1CC.

[trap15]

I don't consider it even possible to 1CC an infinite-looping game

[chempop]

Hmmm... we could ask Gus to see if it's possible.

[Dave_K.]

Are there any games where this is considered the case?

Also known as 1LC = one loop clear

[BareKnuckleRoo]

But I thought people considered 1ccing the first loop as a 1CC? Since the loops are just repeating the game over with higher difficulty or whatever.

For infinite looping games, they're usually listed in the 1CC section if you've cleared at least the first loop without getting a gameover, but they're not listed as "1CC of X Game" since that's not really accurate; you just list it as whatever stage you got to, like loop 2, stage 3 or 2-3 or such (which by its nature implies a 1CC of the first loop). A game listed as a 1CC implies the entire game was beaten usually, so games that don't have a loop. A 1-All or 2-All is usually only used when the game has either 1 loop or 2 loops, but the second loop has a requirement to enter to differentiate between clears that didn't unlock the loop at all and clears that beat the full game. Progear, Ketsui, and DoDonPachi for instance can end after the first loop if you didn't meet the requirements for the loop, in which case it'd be a 1-All clear. If you clear the 1st loop and get into the second loop, you'd list it as a clear as whatever stage in the second loop you got to (or as a 2-All if you beat the second loop and thus the whole game).

Something that doesn't have a loop requirement like Donpachi would only be a 1CC if you beat the second loop as well. Same goes for infinite looping games, you can't really 1CC those, so you'd just list it as the highest stage you'd gotten to.

[Icarus]

Also known as 1LC = one loop clear

No to be confused with 1LC = one life clear. (Also, no-miss.)
I'm quite sure there's some kind of standardisation around here for these terms.

[Ruldra]

1-ALL: Cleared the first loop of multi-loop games
2-ALL: Cleared two loops of multi-loop games (most Cave games have 2 loops so often 2-ALL = ALL)
ALL: Completed the game, regardless of number of loops (this is what counts as a 1CC)
1LC: One life clear

Infinite looping games (e.g. Toaplan shmups) cannot be 1CC'd, so you use 1-ALL, 2-ALL, etc to say how many loops you cleared.

PS: I'm not sure what 'No miss' means in a beat-em-up, if it means no damage or no lives lost. I use 'No deaths' to avoid confusion.

[ACSeraph]

It depends who you ask but to avoid confusion most people use the terms 1-All and 2-All when talking about games with loops.

^this

I consider a one loop clear to be a type of 1cc, but you need to list it as a 1-ALL in your 1cc list. My personal bar for whether something hits my list is whether I cleared at least the first loop or the game ends. However as mentioned a lot of games have things like true last bosses or extra stages, so even though you may have gotten a sort of basic 1cc you should note in the list those details. If you check mine out you can see that I list every factor that went into the clear in detail, down to stage order, EX stages, True last boss clears, and loops.

[Pteriforever]

The closest thing I can think of is Warblade. It's infinitely looping, and there's an insane amount of stuff that simply cannot be accomplished in the first loop. For instance, reaching Champion Rank requires /at least/ two loops. A 1-all is still a valid clear which nobody is going to laugh at if you put in on your 1cc list, but it doesn't mean you've "beaten" the game in any way.

I think the "win" condition is reaching the maximum possible ingame rank, but that path leads to madness.

[Dave_K.]

Ah, you're right 1LC = 1 Life Clear (or single loop of a shmup)

[Captain]

Depends on if you are a man or not.

[DJ Incompetent]

Clear = a single loop; a predetermined set or course of original stages.
1CC = 1 Credit Clear
I 1CC'd the first loop of Gradius 5. I 1CC'd the advanced course of Battle Bakraid.
1LC = 1 Life Clear
I did a 1LC no miss on Strikers 1945 2, but was promptly murdered in the second loop.

NMNB = No Miss No Bomb. Implies this only on a single loop.
I can NMNB Gekirindan. I feel pretty good about myself.

ALL = Reaching a videogame's designated end.
1-ALL = The game intentionally ended after clearing the first loop.
I could only 1-ALL Ketsui. I used so many lives 'n bombs, it wouldn't let me into second loop.
2-ALL = The game intentionally ended after clearing the second loop.
I 2-ALL'd Ketsui Ura loop! There is no greater achievement!

(1-ALL and 1CC are technically interchangeable. Saying "ALL" without a number prefix implies it was a 1 loop game.)

[Xeno]

If you play game like Daifukkatsu where there is alternative routes which lead you to ex-boss(es), does it count as 1-all if you beat the normal boss and then proceed to die on ex-boss?

[To Far Away Times]

If you play game like Daifukkatsu where there is alternative routes which lead you to ex-boss(es), does it count as 1-all if you beat the normal boss and then proceed to die on ex-boss?

If you challenge an extra boss and lose, you may have gotten further than what's possible without extra boss conditions, but you did not clear the game on one credit, so it's not technically a 1CC.

It would still be impressive though.

[ACSeraph]

^I agree

You did not clear the route you chose, so it isn't a 1cc even though it may still be more impressive than a basic 1cc is.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

If you play game like Daifukkatsu where there is alternative routes which lead you to ex-boss(es), does it count as 1-all if you beat the normal boss and then proceed to die on ex-boss?

This isn't how DFK's routes work. The alternative routes in the middle of the stage only have midboss appearances. Whether or not you meet them, the game ends after stage 5's final boss if you didn't meet the loop conditions. That's a 1-All. If you met the loop conditions for one of the second loops, you have a chance at going for a 2-All, and depending on if you're on the Normal or Ura route, you'll be facing one or two extra bosses after stage 5's final boss. If you die before clearing the game, it's a death, you looped the game, but it's not the same as a clear or a 1-All, since a 1-All implies you didn't make it into the loop. The hiscore screen marks which of the EX bosses you died against based on the colour I believe.

[ACSeraph]

I thought most people agreed though that if you made it into the loop it's still a 1-ALL, since you did technically clear loop 1. I would just make a note with the 1cc that the 1-ALL qualified for the loop. I would add it to my list if I did it personally, and just note accordingly.

[Xeno]

To be precise I was talking about Dodonpachi daifukkatsu black label arrange (ketsuipachi) which to my knowledge does not have 2nd loop.

[dunpeal2064]

I would say that does not count as a clear. You triggered an event while still playing the game, so dying during that event would stop you from getting the clear.

However, it does mean you could probably get the clear pretty easily if you just avoid triggering the boss (Or practice him and kill him, which would be even better)

[spadgy]

The general consensus through this thread is something I agree with. Certainly, if I clear the first loop of a game in a single credit, I'd call it a 1CC and I don't think I'm alone there.

But I'm ever aware that to truly 'beat' a game with a requirement 2nd-loop (ie. Progear) you need to get the 2-ALL (or whatever x-ALL it is). Same with auto-looping shmups with a limited number of loops (ie. Raiden IV). Fortunately, I seem to warm to requirement-loop games, which means if you don't meet the requirements your game ends at the close of the first loop, and you can be confident you fgot to a recognisable end on a credit.

Second loops, be they in requirement-looping, auto-looping, infinite-looping games and so on, leave such a grey area, but they are arguably a remixed repeat of the game; always going to be tricky to define.

I guess in the strictest sense, a 'clear' means getting to the end of a game with out running out of lives, but with so many different spins on looping, it makes it tricky to define the 1CC.

1-ALL, 2-ALL etc are far more useful terms.

And now, inspired by ACSeraph, I'm going to dash to my 1CC list and mark them as 1-ALLs (and one 2-ALL) where needed! (EDIT: Appears I'd already done so. Must of had this conversation before!)

[Xeno]

I would say that does not count as a clear. You triggered an event while still playing the game, so dying during that event would stop you from getting the clear.

However, it does mean you could probably get the clear pretty easily if you just avoid triggering the boss (Or practice him and kill him, which would be even better)

Are the requirements for triggering the ex-boss same as the daifukkatsu black label version?