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[AntiFritz]

When I saw this earlier, first thing I thought of is whether they were deliberately ripping off the name or not. Which is most likely.

[n0rtygames]

You don't suspect the dev thought of it as.... an amusing little in joke?

Incidentally:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=47529

[Laurel_McFang]

That mech game listed a few days ago was greenit. It looks like quality, but steam does seem to have strange scoring system. Posting danmaku unlimited 2 to /r/greenlightquality in a second.

[Udderdude]

Me and my twin joked about adding math problems to a shmup to make it harder (but not more interesting or fun) .. I guess it was such a gimmicky .. er, great idea someone at Valve loved it! :p

[BPzeBanshee]

Bit quick to jump on the raging hate bandwagon Cagarette!

Greenlight serves as one way to get onto Steam (advertised with indies in mind), but it is not the only way to get it on there. If one was get a publisher of their own who had Steamworks' ear they could distribute that way, and some devs have done so, probably this guy too. Not exactly a new thing.

[SuperSoaker360]

What a shame really. Steam Greenlight has always upset me considering how it literally is a popularity contest with the general gaming mass. No idea how this one passed though.

Want your game to be greenlit? Make it a Minecraft-esque sandbox game, give it zombies, make sure it has a pixel-art graphical approach, and give players the ability to rewind time.

[CKR]

What a shame really. Steam Greenlight has always upset me considering how it literally is a popularity contest with the general gaming mass. No idea how this one passed though.

Want your game to be greenlit? Make it a Minecraft-esque sandbox game, give it zombies, make sure it has a pixel-art graphical approach, and give players the ability to rewind time.

Do away with Greenlight and open the market up. If Valve is worried about a cluttered store, I think it is already difficulty to find what you're looking for, unless you want to purchase what their promoting. Browse by genre sucks.

[To Far Away Times]

Original game idea do not steal

[Squire Grooktook]

I don't think you have to go through greenlight. Greenlight is just for if you don't already have a publisher.

[CKR]

I don't think you have to go through greenlight. Greenlight is just for if you don't already have a publisher.

I thought one of the advantages to digital distribution was the ability to self-publish.

[Squire Grooktook]

I don't think you have to go through greenlight. Greenlight is just for if you don't already have a publisher.

I thought one of the advantages to digital distribution was the ability to self-publish.

Maybe if you're selling it on your own website, but if your on a program like Steam, you need to have a publisher or Steam's go ahead first.

[CKR]

Maybe if you're selling it on your own website, but if your on a program like Steam, you need to have a publisher or Steam's go ahead first.

I understand that, but I'm hoping in the future this will change. I seem to recall reading an interview with Gabe Newell about how he knew there was problems with Greenlight. Hopefully, being more open is where he plans on taking the service in the future.

[Jeneki]

I saw this game appear earlier in the day. Was totally digging the DoDonPachi sytle, and then I read

Through the chaos and explosion try to answer the falling math problems to increase your multiplier and power up your ship.

At which point I did a WTF and had to check the game discussions to see if this was serious. That's the strangest yet somehow fascinating thing I've seen all year.

[Formless God]

Hopefully, being more open is where he plans on taking the service in the future.

Aren't the entrance fee and the go-ahead there to prevent people from cluttering the store up with shit like Date Kate or Crippled Bitches 2: The Jockinening? Of course it didn't stop some of them from appearing anyway, but I imagine the store would be a lot messier if the restrictions weren't there.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

It's probably supposed to be like the Nintendo Seal of Quality to make sure Steam isn't riddled with half-assed developed games, but the problem is that it's also turned into a popularity contest that inadvertently prevents some very good games from being released there because they don't look interesting enough.

[CKR]

Hopefully, being more open is where he plans on taking the service in the future.

Aren't the entrance fee and the go-ahead there to prevent people from cluttering the store up with shit like Date Kate or Crippled Bitches 2: The Jockinening? Of course it didn't stop some of them from appearing anyway, but I imagine the store would be a lot messier if the restrictions weren't there.

Let's take the case of a game that it is stuck in the Greenlight process. I would like to purchase the game but can't. There is a possibility that it will never release, without gaining enough popularity. (Valve has started passing many more titles through, though) Sometimes you can buy the title outside of steam, but other times you can't. Also, I like online leaderboards, so a pending steam release will cause me to hold off on the purchase. Basically this scenario creates a situation of inconvenience for me. The inconvenience of a cluttered store is less of a problem for me, then having a release I'm looking forward to in limbo. I can always use the search box to find what I want.

[Squire Grooktook]

The only time you can't buy the game outside of Steam is usually when the game isn't finished yet and the greenlight is put up preemptively.

[CKR]

Excellent point, Squire. I really like online leaderboards, and usually I would have to wait on the steam release for that.

[gs68]

> maths

But...I already do maths when I play shooting games. It's called the scoring system.

[Eno]

It's probably supposed to be like the Nintendo Seal of Quality to make sure Steam isn't riddled with half-assed developed games, but the problem is that it's also turned into a popularity contest that inadvertently prevents some very good games from being released there because they don't look interesting enough.

The popularity contest thing has truth in it, but you make it sound like games are eternally banned from steam upon "failing" greenlight, which, if I read the greenlight FAQ correctly, is not true, as games are only dropped from there due to the owner of the project taking it down or for being reported for malicious content. It still leaves niche markets *coff*shmups*coff* at a disavantage, but at least leaves the door open for the interested parts to use the power of the net to generate interest in the hypothetical very good game.
Also, it's not only about half-assed titles and a cluttered store, Valve also has to deal with the infrastructure/bandwidth to host new games and their associated content.

[CKR]

Also, it's not only about half-assed titles and a cluttered store, Valve also has to deal with the infrastructure/bandwidth to host new games and their associated content.

As far as the bandwitdth, that is why they pay Valve a percentage of the sale to cover such things.