NESRGB board available now

[darcagn]

Hey guys, as I said in both posts, I'm not upset! Nobody is unchill here. I just spent $200 and I just wanted to know when it was planned to ship! If I purchase something and don't get any message or notice otherwise, I expect it to ship within days, so I was curious! not upset. I don't see that as being particularly rowdy or causing trouble!

[opt2not]

Hey guys, as I said in both posts, I'm not upset! Nobody is unchill here. I just spent $200 and I just wanted to know when it was planned to ship! If I purchase something and don't get any message or notice otherwise, I expect it to ship within days, so I was curious! not upset. I don't see that as being particularly rowdy or causing trouble!

Well, you might want to curb your expectations then, given that Tim is not a full-fledged store.

He is a hobbyist, supplying this to the community and no doubt working as fast as he can given that this is not a full-time gig.

I know you're excited, we're all excited, but you're not alone. There are others who have sent Tim the same if not more money for this awesome piece of hardware. I'm sure the demand is pretty high for these things, and I'd assume Tim is pretty overwhelmed right now. I know I'd be, at only having 3 days a week to get these sorted and shipped...

[kamiboy]

I don't think people realize how lucky and privileged they are that this product even exists. I never thought I'd be able to enjoy above composite quality NES games with correct palette colours.

Next to never a few weeks of waiting sure sounds reasonable.

[Jeppen]

Btw Game Tech US, is your reset mod board thingy also working with NES-001?

I had one that could be put in the front loader, don't really remember how many pcbs I had made or have left etc. I kind of abandoned the whole mod as you can do the same this with certain powerpak mappers.

I suppose, but what's the fun in that?

[darcagn]

Hey guys, as I said in both posts, I'm not upset! Nobody is unchill here. I just spent $200 and I just wanted to know when it was planned to ship! If I purchase something and don't get any message or notice otherwise, I expect it to ship within days, so I was curious! not upset. I don't see that as being particularly rowdy or causing trouble!

Well, you might want to curb your expectations then, given that Tim is not a full-fledged store.

You still misunderstand me. My expectations are whatever Tim tells me. If Tim tells me nothing, then I can only speculate. I don't mind waiting weeks or months, but I didn't even know that I would be waiting. I'm not upset. It is, however, standard business practice no matter how big or small the business, that when someone makes a purchase and gives you money, that you let that person know a time frame, even if it is an ambiguous one, on when you plan on delivering the product. When I didn't receive the product and didn't receive any further communication, it is a natural human thought to think, "Hey, I'm wondering when I'm going to get the product I already paid for?" Again, I am not upset it, I am not mad at Tim, I still plan on purchasing his products, I'm glad he is releasing them. So, please stop assuming I am upset and please drop it.

[frsj8112]

I've still not gotten over how excellent the NESRGB is. All of my games seems to have had another dimension added to them.

darcagn: I know the feeling, but the wait will be worth while and Tim is surely working his ass off putting the packages together

[Jeppen]

Hey guys, as I said in both posts, I'm not upset! Nobody is unchill here. I just spent $200 and I just wanted to know when it was planned to ship! If I purchase something and don't get any message or notice otherwise, I expect it to ship within days, so I was curious! not upset. I don't see that as being particularly rowdy or causing trouble!

Well, you might want to curb your expectations then, given that Tim is not a full-fledged store.

You still misunderstand me. My expectations are whatever Tim tells me. If Tim tells me nothing, then I can only speculate. I don't mind waiting weeks or months, but I didn't even know that I would be waiting. I'm not upset. It is, however, standard business practice no matter how big or small the business, that when someone makes a purchase and gives you money, that you let that person know a time frame, even if it is an ambiguous one, on when you plan on delivering the product. When I didn't receive the product and didn't receive any further communication, it is a natural human thought to think, "Hey, I'm wondering when I'm going to get the product I already paid for?" Again, I am not upset it, I am not mad at Tim, I still plan on purchasing his products, I'm glad he is releasing them. So, please stop assuming I am upset and please drop it.

Darcagn, chill man, it's nothing to be upset about. Tim will start sending orders tomorrow (Monday) he said.

[ApolloBoy]

I don't mind waiting weeks or months, but I didn't even know that I would be waiting.

Uh, I ordered it full well knowing that it would take a while considering it took him about as long to get the first batch out, and knowing that there would be a huge demand for it.

[opt2not]

Hey guys, as I said in both posts, I'm not upset! Nobody is unchill here. I just spent $200 and I just wanted to know when it was planned to ship! If I purchase something and don't get any message or notice otherwise, I expect it to ship within days, so I was curious! not upset. I don't see that as being particularly rowdy or causing trouble!

Well, you might want to curb your expectations then, given that Tim is not a full-fledged store.

You still misunderstand me. My expectations are whatever Tim tells me. If Tim tells me nothing, then I can only speculate. I don't mind waiting weeks or months, but I didn't even know that I would be waiting. I'm not upset. It is, however, standard business practice no matter how big or small the business, that when someone makes a purchase and gives you money, that you let that person know a time frame, even if it is an ambiguous one, on when you plan on delivering the product. When I didn't receive the product and didn't receive any further communication, it is a natural human thought to think, "Hey, I'm wondering when I'm going to get the product I already paid for?" Again, I am not upset it, I am not mad at Tim, I still plan on purchasing his products, I'm glad he is releasing them. So, please stop assuming I am upset and please drop it.

Well that block of text doesn't seem so chill to me.

[Elrinth]

Sorry I had to snag this post! I'm so excited!

I'm going to try to add all rgbmod vids in this thread to this post... Cuz u know, this is post nr 1000!

RGBMOD vids:
* Drakon testing CV3, Gimmick and Kirby
* Drakon playing thru CV3
* Drakon showing MM3
* frsj8112's vertical holded phone video showing rockman 2 running
* frsj8112 showing mario 1 and 3, this time shown horizontally (still phone cam footage)
* game-tech.us showing all techie stuff while rgbmod is on. this is a top-loader
* game-tech.us second vid of toploader rgbmod
* game-tech.us third vid of rgbmod of toploader with a framemeister for output
* frsj8112 aka fraspe showing error with rgbmod

RGBMOD system pics:
* frsj8112's toploader nes
* rolins' standard NES without casing
* rolins' standard NES with casing (backside)
* sammargh's nes with rgbmod installed #1
* sammargh's nes with rgbmod installed #2
* Hamburglar's pic of extras
* Hamburglar's pic of unfinished mod
* shadowkn55's toploader w/o casing, finished rgbmod
* leonk installation pic #1 (toploader)
* leonk installation pic #2 (toploader)
* leonk installation pic #3 (toploader)
* leonk installation pic #4 (toploader)
* Skips installation pic #1 (standard NES)
* Skips installation pic #2 (standard NES)
* Skips installation pic #3 (standard NES)
* Skips installation pic #4 (standard NES)
* Skips back of nes pic #5 (standard NES)
* parodius showing rgbmodded toploader nes
* Skips' second rgbmod, toploader nes #1
* Skips' second rgbmod, toploader nes #2
* Skips' second rgbmod, toploader nes #3 backside
* rCadeGaming rgbmod #1 (standard nes)
* rCadeGaming rgbmod #2 back of nes without casing
* rCadeGaming rgbmod #3 back of nes with casing (finished mod)

RGBMOD game pics:
* grambo showing Project VICE
* grambo showing River City Ransom
* grambo showing Super Mario Bros. 3
* RGB32E showing FF3 with scanlines
* RGB32E showing SMB.1 without scanlines, just WOW
* hamburglar showing SMB.1 with normal palette
* hamburglar showing SMB.1 with "garish" palette
* hamburglar showing SMB.1 with PC-10 palette
* Skips showing SMB.3 with scanlines
* Skips showing gimmick ingame with scanlines
* Moosmann show off Duck Maze with PowerPak with scanlines
* mvsfan shows off contra
* lettuce showing mega man 2

How ugly it looks WITHOUT an RGB mod:
* Jeppen shares that his Mario is in desperate need of RGBMOD saving

info to self regarding sharp twin fami installation of the rgbmod:
scroll down to ccovell post

[Sargon]

* Drakon testing CV3, Gimmick and Kirby - low quality
* Drakon playing thru CV3 - low quality
* Drakon showing MM3 - low quality

<Insert witty comment here>

[Elrinth]

@Sargon: *fixD. I meant low resolution, but whatevz.
plz update your post aswell to avoid stuff. we're all friends

[Jeppen]

I don't really get it, is there a problem with NESRGB to the Frame Meister?

Check this vid from Game Tech Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b_qa3m6yKg

[Zets13]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but is worth noting that sammargh's and parodius's mods demonstrate how to install the NESRGB so that you can use the standard Nintendo multi-out connector (like what is in an AV Famicom) with a SNES SCART cable, instead of using the connector and cable that Tim supplies. Certain caps on the NESRGB have been removed and the corresponding solder points have been bridged since that type of SCART cable will already have the caps in them.

If you are modding an AV Famicom, this should be the mod method that you follow since it doesn't require drilling a new hole for a different connector and you can possibly make use of a SCART cable that you already have for your SNES/SFC.

Also of note is that those pics additionally show how you can operate the board without installing the palette switch by soldering the palette number you want to use directly to ground. Those two have been set to standard palette.

[mickcris]

I don't really get it, is there a problem with NESRGB to the Frame Meister?

Check this vid from Game Tech Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b_qa3m6yKg

No, it works fine with the Framemeister. I think he just needed to adjust the sync level. It was not his so he is not that well versed on some of the settings.

[Elrinth]

I don't really get it, is there a problem with NESRGB to the Frame Meister?

Check this vid from Game Tech Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b_qa3m6yKg

Just like mickcris says, game-tech.us probably missed the sync level settings for the frame meister. I know I had to adjust sync level in order to get Mega Drive (PAL) and SNES (PAL) working correctly.

[Jeppen]

Phew, ok that's a load off.
I'll try the Sync level on the mini once the NESRGB arrives.

Although...
GTU said he needed to bypass the sync stripper in the Jap-21 adapter chord, i will be using a straight 8 pin mini-din cable so i won't need to by pass anything.
Though that might mean i also need to feed composite sync to the composite video pin?

When i check Tim's wiring i find Composite video AND Sync both on pin 3 of the RGB output..
http://etim.net.au/nesrgb/installation- ... am-NES.pdf

How do i feed something to something that is already on the same pin?

[mickcris]

Phew, ok that's a load off.
I'll try the Sync level on the mini once the NESRGB arrives.

Although...
GTU said he needed to bypass the sync stripper in the Jap-21 adapter chord, i will be using a straight 8 pin mini-din cable so i won't need to by pass anything.
Though that might mean i also need to feed composite sync to the composite video pin?

When i check Tim's wiring i find Composite video AND Sync both on pin 3 of the RGB output..
http://etim.net.au/nesrgb/installation- ... am-NES.pdf

How do i feed something to something that is already on the same pin?

Its the same signal. He shows it being wired up with composite video for the sync. The raw sync (composite sync) is labeled cs# on the board and it is not connected to anything in that diagram. You could use that instead and not have to mess with the sync level on the framemeister if you dont care about composite video.

Not sure i would completely trust game-tech's need to bypass the sync stripper as he did not have the settings correct on the framemeister. Not sure if the sync stripper in his setup was getting the voltage necessary to power it from the console also.

[Jeppen]

Phew, ok that's a load off.
I'll try the Sync level on the mini once the NESRGB arrives.

Although...
GTU said he needed to bypass the sync stripper in the Jap-21 adapter chord, i will be using a straight 8 pin mini-din cable so i won't need to by pass anything.
Though that might mean i also need to feed composite sync to the composite video pin?

When i check Tim's wiring i find Composite video AND Sync both on pin 3 of the RGB output..
http://etim.net.au/nesrgb/installation- ... am-NES.pdf

How do i feed something to something that is already on the same pin?

Its the same signal. He shows it being wired up with composite video for the sync. The raw sync (composite sync) is labeled cs# on the board and it is not connected to anything in that diagram. You could use that instead and not have to mess with the sync level on the framemeister if you dont care about composite video.

Not sure i would completely trust game-tech's need to bypass the sync stripper as he did not have the settings correct on the framemeister. Not sure if the sync stripper in his setup was getting the voltage necessary to power it from the console also.

Ahaa i get it, thanks.
Yes i will definitely try the Frame Meister sync levels before anything else, but it's interesting and i'm almost hoping it doesn't work so get to mess around a bit on the circuit board

[Sargon]

@Sargon: *fixD. I meant low resolution, but whatevz.
plz update your post aswell to avoid stuff. we're all friends

Eh, I won't get into specifics because I know we've been down that road, but based on my personal experience and past financial losses, I think my post deserves to stay "as is". I will leave it at that!

[rCadeGaming]

Hey Elrinth, throw in my mod pics:

http://rcadegaming.com/images/analogavsetup/nesmod3.jpg

http://rcadegaming.com/images/analogavsetup/nesmod2.jpg

http://rcadegaming.com/images/analogavsetup/nesmod1.jpg

[Elrinth]

@Sargon: Okay, I'm sorry to hear you've actually lost money on the dude By the way, do you have an rgbmodded nes or are you planning to get one?

@rCadeGaming: Yap updated the 1000th post with yer pics.

[Hamburglar]

Has anyone figured out the fix/cause of the issue where s-video gives some picture noise? I had posted about it a few weeks ago and some people agreed they had the issue too, but no fix was posted.

I am not complaining, just wondering. This is the best NES-related purchase I have ever made, and the image quality is even a bit better than my console modded with the PC10 PPU. It's just that over s-video (RGB is fine) there is some checkerboarding in the image. I'm using a high quality s-video cable, and the issue goes away once running through the XRGB Mini, so I was just curious if there was a fix anywhere. All grounds are properly wired.

Thanks again for this incredible product, Tim.

[evil_ash_xero]

Thought I would drop in again and ask about the interference that is caused by adding the expanded Famicom sounds.

Has anyone found a way around this?

[game-tech.us]

Not sure i would completely trust game-tech's need to bypass the sync stripper as he did not have the settings correct on the framemeister. Not sure if the sync stripper in his setup was getting the voltage necessary to power it from the console also.

Actually I believe I did mess with sync levels to no avail, off camera of course.
I also believe if we were using a raw sync cable I wouldn't have had the issue to begin with.

[mickcris]

Not sure i would completely trust game-tech's need to bypass the sync stripper as he did not have the settings correct on the framemeister. Not sure if the sync stripper in his setup was getting the voltage necessary to power it from the console also.

Actually I believe I did mess with sync levels to no avail, off camera of course.
I also believe if we were using a raw sync cable I wouldn't have had the issue to begin with.

I don't know what the issue could have been then. The sync level setting should have fixed it as long as there was a sync signal being sent to the xrgb. But yeah, the raw sync is a lot better. I have both a raw and regular sync snes cable from retro_accesorries on ebay, and both work on mine.

[Jeppen]

Not sure i would completely trust game-tech's need to bypass the sync stripper as he did not have the settings correct on the framemeister. Not sure if the sync stripper in his setup was getting the voltage necessary to power it from the console also.

Actually I believe I did mess with sync levels to no avail, off camera of course.
I also believe if we were using a raw sync cable I wouldn't have had the issue to begin with.

I don't know what the issue could have been then. The sync level setting should have fixed it as long as there was a sync signal being sent to the xrgb. But yeah, the raw sync is a lot better. I have both a raw and regular sync snes cable from retro_accesorries on ebay, and both work on mine.

You guys probably already know this, but I didn't and found this sync article very informative.

Sync, what it is and how it works:
http://retrorgb.com/sync.html

I found this passage especially interesting:

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In some instances, if you use the composite video signal to get your sync information, all of the other information traveling through that pin may interfere with the signal on your screen.  The most common result of that is colors “bleeding” between pixels on the screen, causing the picture to lose sharpness (and if you use an upscaler, it may cause interference nicknamed jailbars). 

So in essence, it's a mistake to use the NESRGB default composite video unless your TV or Upscaler isn't compatible with composite Sync?

That should also mean that the sync level on the XRGB-mini might improve the picture quality, but that alone isn't enough for an entire video signal to be recognized by the TV or not?
I would assume using the sync stripper method and setting the sync level to full or zero might enhance or minimize the jailbars.


It was apparent that the XRGB-Mini Frame Meister could handle composite sync (Game-Tech.US video) so using composite video with the Jap-21 scart adapter and its built in sync stripper seem like a big waste.

Anyway, these are things that would be cool if someone could test, or maybe i'll do it myself once I get my hands on the NESRGB board.



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[ApolloBoy]

I can't help but get a little annoyed when people refer to composite sync as "raw sync", I don't know about the rest of you guys...

[evil_ash_xero]

I can't help but get a little annoyed when people refer to composite sync as "raw sync", I don't know about the rest of you guys...

It makes things a bit more confusing for those of us who aren't as knowledgeable with these things, I'll say that much.
I didn't even know that Raw Sync was composite, until you just wrote it.

[leonk]

I can't help but get a little annoyed when people refer to composite sync as "raw sync", I don't know about the rest of you guys...

From all the reading I did on the subject, I think raw sync is not composite sync ..

composite sync = simple composite signal - you can feed this straight into your TV as composite video and see it fine
raw sync = composite sync with the video signal stripped out (or never inserted in the first place like in VGA's HV pins)