The PS Vita Thread - Remote Play for all PS4 Games

[Skykid]

I lamented the passing of the bump system the minute it was over.

Now that you have finished I and II, have you watched the animation OVAs? The bump system is there too! I got a kick out of that.
Since this is a Vita thread, I have Ys Celceta but no Vita. Has there been a verdict on whether 1000 or 2000 is better?

I prefer the solidity of the 1k, and I had both in my hands for a while before purchasing one. 2000 is rounder, but the boxed screen looks cheap. The main improvements are the start and select buttons, for me, but that doesn't outweigh the OLED.

I've seen some of the Ys OVA on Youtube yep, but I'm trying to get all eleven episodes and it's proving really difficult.

[replayme]

So Rayman Legends popped through the post today, and I tried it out for around 30 minutes. It's pretty fun and imaginitive, with the graphics really benefitting from the Vita's Oled screen. Michel Ancel has never let me down before in the past, and I'm glad him and his team has produced another winner.

A lot of people have said that Rayman Legends is a better 2D platformer than recent Mario titles, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out if this was true.

http://www.examiner.com/review/rayman-l ... b_articles

"At its worst "Rayman Legends" is a truly blissful platforming experience. At its best, "Rayman Legends" surpasses even Nintendo when it comes down to pure, unquestionable platforming glory. Truly legendary, indeed."

[professor ganson]

Will definitely preorder Disgaea 4 when it's available for it.

[Skykid]

A lot of people have said that Rayman Legends is a better 2D platformer than recent Mario titles, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out if this was true.

I'd be surprised in the extreme.

"The removal of a "life" counter plus the ability to run through friendly on-screen characters make this a much more enjoyable, casual experience for platforming fans"

And that's the end of that.

[replayme]

I don't know... I'm only interested in the single player. You can argue that Rayman is stupid etc till the end of time, but a lot of people (in the know) are arguing the complete opposite.

Here's a few more reviews:

http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/27/rayma ... on-notice/
"Rayman Legends is a master class in platform design and really puts Mario on notice. Bold words, I know. Your move Nintendo."

http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/26/rayman-le ... o-3937846/
"Nintendo must be absolutely gutted at how Rayman Legends has turned out. Not only is one of the best games of the year no longer a Wii U exclusive but, perhaps just as embarrassingly, it’s such an infinitely more ambitious game than New Super Mario Bros. U it’s positively shameful. In fact Rayman Legends is probably the best 2D game of the generation.

But what truly marks Rayman Legends out as something special is that it does fulfil the Nintendo promise (so often broken now by the originators themselves) of a new idea every level.

Rayman Legends isn’t just the best 2D platformer of the generation it’s one of the very best games of any kind.

In Short: The best non-Mario platformer ever made and a stunning work of imagination, where the visuals, music, and gameplay all resonate in perfect harmony."

http://www.gamesradar.com/why-rayman-le ... and-mario/
The comments section is also pretty interesting. A lot of the comments also suggest that Rayman Legends outclasses recent (2D) efforts by Nintendo's finest. And these are comments made by "common folk" who may own Wii U consoles etc, but don't allow their love for Nintendo to cloud their judgement when it comes to making purchasing decisions.

And that's the end of that.

[Skykid]

Will believe it when I play it. We all know listening to the recommendations of mainstream press brings nothing but tears.

The entire notion of a Rayman game being as good as they're enthusiastically declaring is a bit like looking into a parallel universe. Now I really want to play it.

[replayme]

Mark from CGR approves. He's probably my favourite Youtube reviewer, and I think Rayman Legends also appeared in his 'Top Games of 2013' list - although I can't find the video anywhere (not even on his site).

http://youtu.be/0Vw5oUd_I8Y

[Skykid]

Mark from CGR approves.

I must be honest, I know none of the sources you keep posting and nor do I care about their opinions. I'll endeavour to play this amazing Rayman and see for myself if it's God's work in 2D platforming guise

[replayme]

Wait, so you don't care for the opinions of people like David Jenkins or Mark from CGR, yet are prepared to "defend" that Martin guy from Eurogamer only because he cited a few games that you like in his Eurogamer pieces?

You should pay more attention to Mark from CGR. Seriously. That guy is a one man army.

Edit: also, you argue that "We all know listening to the recommendations of mainstream press brings nothing but tears", yet think it's ok for one of the most mainstream websites operating today to recommend a Wii U as being the perfect gift for Xmas, as well as Mario 3D World to be GotY.

Also, does this mean that I should stop paying attention to writers such as Simon Parkin and yourself, because both of you are professionally associated with the mainstream press?

You can't brazenly justify these kind of (contradictory) arguments as being valid only when it suits you. Especially if you want to maintain your credibility.

Mark from CGR doesn't even operate in the same field as the mainstream press, so should not be beholden to its "standard of ethics".

Edit x 2: what was it you said about evolution again?

[Skykid]

Lordy, words being put all up in my mouth.

I didn't 'defend' anyone; I know the guy on a personal level and he's an awesome chap. I also think his opinion with which you disagreed was perfectly justified, especially since you've expressed a bias in matters regarding Nintendo. I don't agree with him as a journalist down-pat though - I think his Dragon's Crown review sadly missed the point.

If I knew "Mark from CGR" personally, I might also ask that his name wasn't sullied in the name of angry anti-Nintendo zealots. Whether or not I can trust him wholeheartedly when recommending I play a Rayman game is another story. I most certainly don't understand why he thinks original platform games were made for arcades and had quarters pumped into them, when it was a concept that appeared on console, wasn't defined by pockets of loose change, and was almost predominantly reserved for home gaming thereafter.

You should pay more attention to Mark from CGR.

What is it he does that deserves my attention, explicitly?

[replayme]

Lordy, words being put all up in my mouth.

I didn't 'defend' anyone; I know the guy on a personal level and he's an awesome chap. I also think his opinion with which you disagreed was perfectly justified, especially since you've expressed a bias in matters regarding Nintendo. I don't agree with him as a journalist down-pat though - I think his Dragon's Crown review sadly missed the point.

If I knew "Mark from CGR" personally, I might also ask that his name wasn't sullied in the name of angry anti-Nintendo zealots. Whether or not I can trust him wholeheartedly when recommending I play a Rayman game is another story. I most certainly don't understand why he thinks original platform games were made for arcades and had quarters pumped into them, when it was a concept that appeared on console, wasn't defined by pockets of loose change, and was almost predominantly reserved for home gaming thereafter.

You should pay more attention to Mark from CGR.

What is it he does that deserves my attention, explicitly?

I'm only (really) interested in Dragons Crown because you and a few people recommended it. I never paid attention to Martin/Eurogamer's review. And I'm not surprised if it got a bad score. More often then not, EG often miss the mark when it comes to niche Japanese games of a certain type.

Ellie Gibson would have scored the game a 3 - just on the premise of its characters being oversexualised, with the sorceress having tits.

Edit: Mark just plays and talks about games, and appreciates them for what they are. He's loved by the likes of Retro Gamer etc.

Also, you can argue that I may be biased against Nintendo. But can you honestly argue that you and Martin aren't biased in favour of Nintendo? I never attacked Martin personally. Just thought his professional work and recommendation didn't live up to scrutiny.

[Skykid]

This is enjoyable banter eh?

Edit: Mark just plays and talks about games, and appreciates them for what they are. He's loved by the likes of Retro Gamer etc.

You constantly name drop like it has value. That's a weird thing.

Does it really matter who Retro Gamer loves? What is it they do that makes their affiliations special? Mark from CGR has charisma and good presentation skills. I'm glad he appreciates games for what they are, but whether that means I'm going to get any kind of education from watching his videos remains to be seen.

Also, you can argue that I may be biased against Nintendo. But can you honestly argue that you and Martin aren't biased in favour of Nintendo?

I've been called biased over just about every company going, it all depends on the argument of the day. Personally I just call a spade a spade. If Nintendo fucks up, as it has with its terribly misguided Wii U, I'm just as comfortable twisting the knife.

You're just mis-interpreting critical appraisal for bias. Of course you're vehemently biased against, so you're bound to feel arguments in the opposite direction are some kind of attempt at gang warfare.

I took Martin's articles at face value and couldn't see anything particularly wrong with them. Of-course you yourself confessed just a few posts earlier that they rubbed you the wrong way because they appeared while you were in a particular salivating frenzy of hate for the company they were promoting.

I never attacked Martin personally.

Never said you did. You should probably go back and read our original exchange, it's not as deep as you're remembering.

Just thought his professional work and recommendation didn't live up to scrutiny.

Because he said something positive about a Mario game.

[replayme]

I've been following Mark before Retro Gamer interviewed him. And I don't often buy Retro Gamer as I refuse to pay £5 for one issue. I just think he's really good. He has an offbeat sense of humour, loves retro niche items, and often likes games that no one else talks about. He follows the beat of his own drum. And is incredibly well respected in gaming circles.

Regarding Mario: there's a slight difference in critically appraising a game, and then going on to call it GotY, as well as recommending a premium priced console with the life expectancy of a battery chicken on the basis of it.

Tears were surely shed on Xmas Day.

Edit: regarding the issue of "critical appraisal", I never stated that 2D Mario games are shit. I just stated that a lot of people have said really good things about Rayman Legends - to the extent that it's regarded as being a better 2D platformer than Mario titles in recent years.

Also... I for the life of me can't remember insulting the likes of 3D Land or Mario Kart. Mario Kart on 3DS is infinitely more playable than Sonic Racing Transformed on Vita - partly because the Vita port of SRT isn't as good as the console/PC versions (imho).

I give credit where credit is due.

[Skykid]

There's a slight difference in critically appraising a game, and then going on to call it GotY

Er, why?

Assuming its critical appraisal was high enough to warrant it being named GotY, it seems a perfectly acceptable chain of events.
It's just not GotY in your estimation - but that doesn't necessarily mean you're right, or even right to judge, considering your general standpoint regarding the company who produced said title.

Tears were surely shed on Xmas Day.

Yes, tears of joy perhaps, if someone got to kill a cosy eight hours with Super Mario 3D World, Eurogamer's GotY! Lucky brats!

No idea about the Wii U's lifespan, although I'd agree things are looking fairly bleak. If Nintendo manage a turnaround as they did with the 3DS, it will be a miracle at this point, but recent sales don't show much hope.

No big deal, they'll just have to do better next time.

[replayme]

In related news: the seller just "gifted" me Rayman Legends. Only because I was honest enough in cancelling my purchase, getting a refund, and then asking for the refund to be reversed.

[BulletMagnet]

The entire notion of a Rayman game being as good as they're enthusiastically declaring is a bit like looking into a parallel universe. Now I really want to play it.

I enjoyed both of the recent Rayman platformers, but in case you needed it said they have a decidedly different feel from Mario's stuff (which I also like, by and large), so I wouldn't approach either of them as a "replacement" of or "equivalent" to the other. I'd still suggest at least trying the demo for Legends; even if the way it plays doesn't agree with you, its visual style IS one of those things I'd break out the "up there with the best in the medium thus far" accolade for (though even there, of course, your mileage may vary).

[Skykid]

The entire notion of a Rayman game being as good as they're enthusiastically declaring is a bit like looking into a parallel universe. Now I really want to play it.

I enjoyed both of the recent Rayman platformers, but in case you needed it said they have a decidedly different feel from Mario's stuff (which I also like, by and large), so I wouldn't approach either of them as a "replacement" of or "equivalent" to the other. I'd still suggest at least trying the demo for Legends; even if the way it plays doesn't agree with you, its visual style IS one of those things I'd break out the "up there with the best in the medium thus far" accolade for (though even there, of course, your mileage may vary).

The Origins demo was one of the first I downloaded when I got my 3DS, and I absolutely hated it. It's certainly not the console to do the game justice, especially not visually, and nor is a simple demo enough to give the game fair dues - but it felt like crap and I deleted it with haste. I'm not in much of a rush to sample the sequel, such is the case, but with all this glowing praise I might just have to suck it and see, if the opportunity arises.

My nose for these sorts of things rarely lets me down though, I'd be hugely surprised to find it remarkable.

[replayme]

Tbh: that's more of a failure of the host 3DS platform, then anything to do with Rayman Origins as a game (in terms of its design spec). I think this is also a problem afflicting a lot of other titles on 3DS - they just don't "feel" right.

In comparison however, games like 3D Land really benefit from the extra dimension. So much so that one ends up not judging jumps and ledges as well if the 3D is turned off (or set really low). 3D Land would never be as good if it were to be on a 2D handheld (like Vita) as the 3D is arguably crucial to the gameplay experience.

Having said that though, I own Rayman Origins on my PS3. It's over-rated - much like Mario Bros 2 is on NES - although I hated Mario Bros 2. But Rayman Legends by all accounts is the equivalent of Super Mario World. The concept perfected (not that many people argued that Origins wasn't a good game).

NB: playing Rayman Origins on 3DS is akin to playing Street Fighter 2 or Final Fight on Amiga / ST platforms. Just a bad idea - regardless of how successful the original games were (in arcades or on consoles).

Edit: re-read the following, and see if you're not applying your own bias against Rayman or Need For Speed. At least I'm prepared to give certain games / companies a shot - and yes, I did buy a Nintendo product recently. It's just not for me.

"It's just not GotY in your estimation - but that doesn't necessarily mean you're right, or even right to judge, considering your general standpoint regarding the company who produced said title."

Have you actually played recent Rayman or NFS titles on the consoles they were designed for? No?

Now do you know why I ask you to reconsider some of your statements, given that they make you appear hypocritical in many respects?

Edit x 2:
"No idea about the Wii U's lifespan, although I'd agree things are looking fairly bleak. If Nintendo manage a turnaround as they did with the 3DS, it will be a miracle at this point, but recent sales don't show much hope.

No big deal, they'll just have to do better next time."

Give me a break. As a mainstream concern, the Wii U is dead. Certainly dead in comparison to the XBone and PS4.

We can talk about the Wii U being a mis-step from a technical perspective, but with the success of the XBone proving that people are still prepared to overlook "flaws" in hardware design, and with the PS4 selling trillions of units in one week (despite there being no good games for it), suggests to me that the only reason why Nintendo has faltered so badly in the console marketplace is because their brand name isn't as strong when associated with "under the TV" console markets. Lack of third party support is also indicative of this. It's also no-one's fault but their own. They practically gave away their market share, to the extent now where even if they do produce the goods, no-one's prepared to touch them (as is the case with videogaming royalty's 3D World being outsold by new IP Knack).

The only way Nintendo can ever come back, is by trying really hard, so as to re-convince the market that they still matter and that they should be taken seriously. But this is going to take a long, long time. And backwards strategies like account management, or the region lock-out issue, certainly won't help.

Nintendo need to get with the times.

Edit x final(???): there's been loads of gaming products that I've been inclined to not like - based on the demo, parent company etc. But I've always tended to give them a chance. No point in being closed minded, when I've come to love Heavy Rain (despite hating the demo), and enjoying MGS: Revengeance (despite coming to think of Platinum's titles as being over-rated).

I also think Nintendo titles were stronger during the Wii era (rather than GC).

[null1024]

The Origins demo on the 3DS did feel like shit. I later played Origins on the 360 with some friends and thought it was fun.

[Skykid]

Tbh: that's more of a failure of the host 3DS platform, then anything to do with Rayman Origins as a game (in terms of its design spec). I think this is also a problem afflicting a lot of other titles on 3DS - they just don't "feel" right.

They feel fine. The game and its developer is to blame for the feel of the software, as summarised in your feelings about Mario 3D Land.

But Rayman Legends by all accounts is the equivalent of Super Mario World.

Sweet Jesus, my eyes.

NB: playing Rayman Origins on 3DS is akin to playing Street Fighter 2 or Final Fight on Amiga / ST platforms.

Surely you're not suggesting it's the hardware's fault?

Edit: re-read the following, and see if you're not applying your own bias against Rayman or Need For Speed.

What for? I've never been infatuated with a Rayman or Need For Speed title I've ever played, and yes, I've had several shoved under my nose over the years. I can accept competency, but NFS is an ugly commercial affair with little appeal and not something that's ever held me to the credits - it was also a poor racing title for most of its early life. Rayman's done absolutely nothing worth my time when there's so much else to play.

That's a judgement, not a bias.

Now do you know why I ask you to reconsider some of your statements, given that they make you appear hypocritical in many respects?

No, I stand by them all. I think my reasons are more justified than yours, which is why I continue to point out that you favour everything and anything not-Nintendo related. Impartiality and acceptance of a good thing wherever it happens to be would lift that weight from your shoulders. No-one's forcing you to play anything, just kindly asking that you don't approach every related subject with an axe to grind.

Give me a break. As a mainstream concern, the Wii U is dead. Certainly dead in comparison to the XBone and PS4.

We can talk about the Wii U being a mis-step from a technical perspective, but with the success of the XBone proving that people are still prepared to overlook "flaws" in hardware design, and with the PS4 selling trillions of units in one week (despite there being no good games for it), suggests to me that the only reason why Nintendo has faltered so badly in the console marketplace is because their brand name isn't as strong when associated with "under the TV" console markets. Lack of third party support is also indicative of this. It's also no-one's fault but their own. They practically gave away their market share, to the extent now where even if they do produce the goods, no-one's prepared to touch them (as is the case with videogaming royalty's 3D World being outsold by new IP Knack).

The only way Nintendo can ever come back, is by trying really hard, so as to re-convince the market that they still matter and that they should be taken seriously. But this is going to take a long, long time. And backwards strategies like account management, or the region lock-out issue, certainly won't help.

You have a clairvoyant ability to fashion videogame industry fiction into a reality? You don't know anything about Nintendo's financial position, current and future business plans, existing fan base, money in the kitty, or even why it is the Wii U didn't catch on. You're sidelining their ownership of the handheld market as though it doesn't exist and produces no revenue, and all this on the basis of...?

Nothing.

Nintendo need to get with the times.

And they will do something, or simply fade away and die. Whatever the future holds, I wouldn't hedge my bets on your assumptions about their impending doom and third-party status.

No point in being closed minded, when I've come to love Heavy Rain (despite hating the demo), and enjoying MGS: Revengeance (despite coming to think of Platinum's titles as being over-rated).

You're much more in love with current-gen "AAA Blockbusters" than I care to even discuss. We walk different gaming paths, and I don't have any interest in what you seem to find inspiring. Most games these days bore the shit out of me.

That's why I post on a shmups forum.

[ZellSF]

Definitely try Rayman on a platform that actually can maintain 60 FPS before hating on it. I don't think it's a very good game either, but the 3DS version is far from a fair representation of the game.

[replayme]

They feel fine. The game and its developer is to blame for the feel of the software, as summarised in your feelings about Mario 3D Land.

I'd like to think that the entire dual screen idea for the DS and 3DS is a little off. Aside from a few instances, none of the games feel right, although I am happy to admit that I possess the maturity to accept that I am the minority when it comes to my feelings.

And maybe it isn't the developer's fault, seeing as to how the 3DS is underpowered (low res screen etc) and doesn't give a reasonable rate of return. It's designed for the Wii U after all, or for consoles with decent screens. Why would Ubisoft spend more time and resources on optimising a "Ubi-Art" port for the 3DS ?

Sweet Jesus, my eyes.

I don't know... Imagine if everyone thought like you and never played Mario Bros 3 after the sub-par game that was Mario Bros 2 (although I found Mario Bros 3 to be over-rated).

NB: playing Rayman Origins on 3DS is akin to playing Street Fighter 2 or Final Fight on Amiga / ST platforms.

Surely you're not suggesting it's the hardware's fault?

Why yes, yes I am. Much the same way as stating that the Vita version of Mario 3D Land wouldn't be as good either. Or playing Halo on an 8 bit machine (not that I own such a device).

Edit: re-read the following, and see if you're not applying your own bias against Rayman or Need For Speed.

What for? I've never been infatuated with a Rayman or Need For Speed title I've ever played, and yes, I've had several shoved under my nose over the years. I can accept competency, but NFS is an ugly commercial affair with little appeal and not something that's ever held me to the credits - it was also a poor racing title for most of its early life. Rayman's done absolutely nothing worth my time when there's so much else to play.

That's a judgement, not a bias.

Oh boy... I don't know where to start.

Do you know how unreasonable that argument came across? Let's look at the following statements:

1. "NFS is an ugly commercial affair with little appeal"
You might need to check your sources on this. Recent (Criterion developed) games have looked really good, and the series has always had strong commercial appeal. I never paid much attention to the old NFS games, but as soon as Criterion got involved, I started to pay attention. It's no different than with Nintendo fanboys who started paying attention Bayonetta after Nintendo got involved.
2. "it was also a poor racing title for most of its early life"
So on the basis of this summation, should we also discount recent efforts in every franchise that has also under performed critically in the past? I guess on the basis of this, Suda 51 shouldn't have a career worth talking about. Although that doesn't mean that I particularly like many of his games.
3. "Rayman's done absolutely nothing worth my time when there's so much else to play."
Now you know how I feel about certain Nintendo games - especially given the price-tag. I also never asked you to play Rayman. But you dismissed the game, even if I never actually directed my first Rayman post towards you.

Now do you know why I ask you to reconsider some of your statements, given that they make you appear hypocritical in many respects?

No, I stand by them all. I think my reasons are more justified than yours, which is why I continue to point out that you favour everything and anything not-Nintendo related. Impartiality and acceptance of a good thing wherever it happens to be would lift that weight from your shoulders. No-one's forcing you to play anything, just kindly asking that you don't approach every related subject with an axe to grind.

So your reasoning is "justified", even if is appropriates a more narrow minded stance with respect to what is currently out there in the marketplace. Ok...

Please explain to me why you are "justified" in your opinion regarding Rayman and NFS - as both franchises have been rather excellent recently (from a critical standpoint). Seems more like a bias than a judgement.

I merely pointed out that a number of people (some of which are highly respected - read: R-E-S-P-E-C-T-E-D!!!!) had alluded to the notion that Rayman Legends was a better 2D platforming game than Nintendo's recent efforts. That's no different in saying that this year's FIFA is a better football game than Konami's recent Pro Evo games. A lot of Konami/PES/Japanese game loving "purists" scoffed at this at first, but we both know as to what the general consensus is now (even if I am not into Fifa or PES).

Regarding Rayman - you dismissed this consensus. Which means that you have very little respect for what other people have to say - some of which are infinitely more experienced in the games profession than you. I cited many (credible) sources to back up my argument, and therefore argue that on balance, you have very little basis to argue that your opinion as being more "justified" than mine.

I think you're the one who fails to see "impartiality and acceptance of a good thing".

I never said that I personally prefer Rayman. I said many people prefer Rayman. I therefore can not be accused of being everything anti-Nintendo.

I own a number of Nintendo games for my Wii. And my N64 and Snes. Sad to say that I don't own a great deal of Nintendo GC games, and certainly no Nintendo DS games. I also think that Mario Kart on 3DS is superb, and better than STR on Vita. So again, I don't hate everything Nintendo. I do favour some things that are Nintendo related.

You have a clairvoyant ability to fashion videogame industry fiction into a reality? You don't know anything about Nintendo's financial position, current and future business plans, existing fan base, money in the kitty, or even why it is the Wii U didn't catch on. You're sidelining their ownership of the handheld market as though it doesn't exist and produces no revenue, and all this on the basis of...?

Nothing.

Yet you are prepared to defend Martin Robinson's "clairvoyant ability to fashion videogame industry fiction into a reality" when he stated that the Wii U was the best console to own for Christmas - despite Mario 3D World not even being out at the time. I think Mario 3D World's sales figures testify to the notion that I have a firmer grip on reality than many people. I've always maintained that regardless of the "quality" of Nintendo's software, it will be their hardware that will be their biggest Achilles heel. So much so that their hardware will be a barrier and that their games won't sell as well. And look what happened come the release of Mario 3D World.

Don't blame me if my "videogame industry fiction" turned into a "reality".

Also, by your own accord, do you "know anything about Nintendo's financial position, current and future business plans, existing fan base, money in the kitty, or even why it is the Wii U didn't catch on"?

Nintendo's financial position - I do concede that you have stated that Nintendo have more money than God. And even I recently stated that Nintendo have enough money to withstand 40 years of serious losses. But money does not buy business sense. And we both know that Nintendo are under-performing. Less than others, maybe. But still under-performing.
Current and future business plans - level of industry and consumer confidence and apathy suggests that they have a very big mountain to climb. Their present and future performance regarding the Wii U also suggests that they don't have any viable business plans worth talking about. Many people have stated that they had an excellent opportunity to "reboot" the Wii U in time for Xmas come the release of Mario 3D World, and have it bundled with the Premium console for around £200, but they instead chose to release it at £300 (£299.99 to be exact) so as to place the Wii U in the same price tier as the PS4 and XBone. Madness?
Existing fan base - constantly eroding since the days of the Nes and Snes. Maybe jaded with games. Maybe being alienated with whatever Nintendo do, and finding that Sony et al cater more to their tastes (GTA V, game prices, lack of third party support etc). I don't want to discuss as to why.
Money in the kitty - spoken about this already.
Why it is the Wii U didn't catch on - please explain to me as to why the XBone and PS4 caught on (with zero games worth talking about)? Maybe strength of brand together with previous performance, which equals consumer and industry confidence, therefore causing self-fulfilling prophecy to be automatic? There's a myriad reasons why the Wii U didn't catch on. And never will.

"You're sidelining their ownership of the handheld market as though it doesn't exist and produces no revenue".
That's like stating that we should take the Shield seriously because nVidia are a major player in the GPU market. Or rushing aboard the Steam Machines train, as they are a major player in the PC gaming market.

Different markets.

Talk about not understanding company strengths and weaknesses, or not acknowledging that certain companies fare better in some environments rather than others.

And they will do something, or simply fade away and die. Whatever the future holds, I wouldn't hedge my bets on your assumptions about their impending doom and third-party status.

"And they will do something".
And there is nothing Nintendo have done to convince me (or the market) otherwise, that unless they change present business strategies, that they won't end up as bit part players in the "under the TV" market. I don't hate Nintendo. But I call a spade a spade when it is a spade.

You're much more in love with current-gen "AAA Blockbusters" than I care to even discuss. We walk different gaming paths, and I don't have any interest in what you seem to find inspiring. Most games these days bore the shit out of me.

That's why I post on a shmups forum.

So this dismissive opinion is "justified", and is a "judgement", is it? Ok.

If you looked at my "Most anticipated Top 5 (announced) games for 2014?" thread, you'll find that I am looking forward to the following titles - many of which are indie and of "AAA Blockbusters" pedigree:
Metal Gear Solid - This is a AAA Blockbusters. Fair play.
Watch Dogs - Same.
Final Fantasy XV - Same.
HyperLight Drifter - An indie project. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMosNHhyxI
Drakengard 3 - An indie project by S-E's standards. Also developed by the same guys who did Nier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q22r6X9OVRc

Honourable mentions also go out to the the following:
Child of Light - An indie project by the same guy who did Far Cry 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXBbB4sfEpQ
Rime - An indie project by the same guys who did Deadlight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtyKF0zCtA
Castlevania: LoS2 - Again a AAA Blockbuster. Fair play.

4 "AAA Blockbusters" and 4 indie projects. This 50/50 split also means that I am not therefore "much more in love with current-gen "AAA Blockbusters" than (you) care to even discuss". I have one eye on the past, and one eye on in the future. I don't live in the past. And I don't live in the future. But I do live in the "present"

In comparison to the likes of Ubisoft's Assassins Creed, Far Cry and Splinter Cell etc, Rayman Legends is very much an indie project in comparison. I also specifically never asked you to play Rayman Legends (initially), so therefore don't see as to how I was grinding any axes when I mentioned as to how many people (which doesn't mean that I) found Rayman Legends to be a better game than recent 2D platforming games by Nintendo.

To be honest, and if you do indeed walk a "different gaming path", I am extremely surprised as to why you would "have any interest in what I seem to find inspiring"?

And that's the end of that!

[BobbyNewmarkiii]

Hahaha

Knobs.

[Skykid]

Hahaha

Knobs.

Indeed, this conversation is far past its sell-by date, and required its own topic several weeks ago.

[null1024]

Man, so much post effort.

Now, other than the screen, anyone know what disadvantages the Vita 2000 has to the older one? And my earlier question still stands -- if I import one, it'll be fine with US PSN and everything, right? The only real difference would be that X/O in system menus would be flipped?

[NTSC-J]

They feel fine. The game and its developer is to blame for the feel of the software, as summarised in your feelings about Mario 3D Land.

I'd like to think that the entire dual screen idea for the DS and 3DS is a little off. Aside from a few instances, none of the games feel right, although I am happy to admit that I possess the maturity to accept that I am the minority when it comes to my feelings.

And maybe it isn't the developer's fault, seeing as to how the 3DS is underpowered (low res screen etc) and doesn't give a reasonable rate of return. It's designed for the Wii U after all, or for consoles with decent screens. Why would Ubisoft spend more time and resources on optimising a "Ubi-Art" port for the 3DS ?

Sweet Jesus, my eyes.

I don't know... Imagine if everyone thought like you and never played Mario Bros 3 after the sub-par game that was Mario Bros 2 (although I found Mario Bros 3 to be over-rated).

NB: playing Rayman Origins on 3DS is akin to playing Street Fighter 2 or Final Fight on Amiga / ST platforms.

Surely you're not suggesting it's the hardware's fault?

Why yes, yes I am. Much the same way as stating that the Vita version of Mario 3D Land wouldn't be as good either. Or playing Halo on an 8 bit machine (not that I own such a device).

Edit: re-read the following, and see if you're not applying your own bias against Rayman or Need For Speed.

What for? I've never been infatuated with a Rayman or Need For Speed title I've ever played, and yes, I've had several shoved under my nose over the years. I can accept competency, but NFS is an ugly commercial affair with little appeal and not something that's ever held me to the credits - it was also a poor racing title for most of its early life. Rayman's done absolutely nothing worth my time when there's so much else to play.

That's a judgement, not a bias.

Oh boy... I don't know where to start.

Do you know how unreasonable that argument came across? Let's look at the following statements:

1. "NFS is an ugly commercial affair with little appeal"
You might need to check your sources on this. Recent (Criterion developed) games have looked really good, and the series has always had strong commercial appeal. I never paid much attention to the old NFS games, but as soon as Criterion got involved, I started to pay attention. It's no different than with Nintendo fanboys who started paying attention Bayonetta after Nintendo got involved.
2. "it was also a poor racing title for most of its early life"
So on the basis of this summation, should we also discount recent efforts in every franchise that has also under performed critically in the past? I guess on the basis of this, Suda 51 shouldn't have a career worth talking about. Although that doesn't mean that I particularly like many of his games.
3. "Rayman's done absolutely nothing worth my time when there's so much else to play."
Now you know how I feel about certain Nintendo games - especially given the price-tag. I also never asked you to play Rayman. But you dismissed the game, even if I never actually directed my first Rayman post towards you.

Now do you know why I ask you to reconsider some of your statements, given that they make you appear hypocritical in many respects?

No, I stand by them all. I think my reasons are more justified than yours, which is why I continue to point out that you favour everything and anything not-Nintendo related. Impartiality and acceptance of a good thing wherever it happens to be would lift that weight from your shoulders. No-one's forcing you to play anything, just kindly asking that you don't approach every related subject with an axe to grind.

So your reasoning is "justified", even if is appropriates a more narrow minded stance with respect to what is currently out there in the marketplace. Ok...

Please explain to me why you are "justified" in your opinion regarding Rayman and NFS - as both franchises have been rather excellent recently (from a critical standpoint). Seems more like a bias than a judgement.

I merely pointed out that a number of people (some of which are highly respected - read: R-E-S-P-E-C-T-E-D!!!!) had alluded to the notion that Rayman Legends was a better 2D platforming game than Nintendo's recent efforts. That's no different in saying that this year's FIFA is a better football game than Konami's recent Pro Evo games. A lot of Konami/PES/Japanese game loving "purists" scoffed at this at first, but we both know as to what the general consensus is now (even if I am not into Fifa or PES).

Regarding Rayman - you dismissed this consensus. Which means that you have very little respect for what other people have to say - some of which are infinitely more experienced in the games profession than you. I cited many (credible) sources to back up my argument, and therefore argue that on balance, you have very little basis to argue that your opinion as being more "justified" than mine.

I think you're the one who fails to see "impartiality and acceptance of a good thing".

I never said that I personally prefer Rayman. I said many people prefer Rayman. I therefore can not be accused of being everything anti-Nintendo.

I own a number of Nintendo games for my Wii. And my N64 and Snes. Sad to say that I don't own a great deal of Nintendo GC games, and certainly no Nintendo DS games. I also think that Mario Kart on 3DS is superb, and better than STR on Vita. So again, I don't hate everything Nintendo. I do favour some things that are Nintendo related.

You have a clairvoyant ability to fashion videogame industry fiction into a reality? You don't know anything about Nintendo's financial position, current and future business plans, existing fan base, money in the kitty, or even why it is the Wii U didn't catch on. You're sidelining their ownership of the handheld market as though it doesn't exist and produces no revenue, and all this on the basis of...?

Nothing.

Yet you are prepared to defend Martin Robinson's "clairvoyant ability to fashion videogame industry fiction into a reality" when he stated that the Wii U was the best console to own for Christmas - despite Mario 3D World not even being out at the time. I think Mario 3D World's sales figures testify to the notion that I have a firmer grip on reality than many people. I've always maintained that regardless of the "quality" of Nintendo's software, it will be their hardware that will be their biggest Achilles heel. So much so that their hardware will be a barrier and that their games won't sell as well. And look what happened come the release of Mario 3D World.

Don't blame me if my "videogame industry fiction" turned into a "reality".

Also, by your own accord, do you "know anything about Nintendo's financial position, current and future business plans, existing fan base, money in the kitty, or even why it is the Wii U didn't catch on"?

Nintendo's financial position - I do concede that you have stated that Nintendo have more money than God. And even I recently stated that Nintendo have enough money to withstand 40 years of serious losses. But money does not buy business sense. And we both know that Nintendo are under-performing. Less than others, maybe. But still under-performing.
Current and future business plans - level of industry and consumer confidence and apathy suggests that they have a very big mountain to climb. Their present and future performance regarding the Wii U also suggests that they don't have any viable business plans worth talking about. Many people have stated that they had an excellent opportunity to "reboot" the Wii U in time for Xmas come the release of Mario 3D World, and have it bundled with the Premium console for around £200, but they instead chose to release it at £300 (£299.99 to be exact) so as to place the Wii U in the same price tier as the PS4 and XBone. Madness?
Existing fan base - constantly eroding since the days of the Nes and Snes. Maybe jaded with games. Maybe being alienated with whatever Nintendo do, and finding that Sony et al cater more to their tastes (GTA V, game prices, lack of third party support etc). I don't want to discuss as to why.
Money in the kitty - spoken about this already.
Why it is the Wii U didn't catch on - please explain to me as to why the XBone and PS4 caught on (with zero games worth talking about)? Maybe strength of brand together with previous performance, which equals consumer and industry confidence, therefore causing self-fulfilling prophecy to be automatic? There's a myriad reasons why the Wii U didn't catch on. And never will.

"You're sidelining their ownership of the handheld market as though it doesn't exist and produces no revenue".
That's like stating that we should take the Shield seriously because nVidia are a major player in the GPU market. Or rushing aboard the Steam Machines train, as they are a major player in the PC gaming market.

Different markets.

Talk about not understanding company strengths and weaknesses, or not acknowledging that certain companies fare better in some environments rather than others.

And they will do something, or simply fade away and die. Whatever the future holds, I wouldn't hedge my bets on your assumptions about their impending doom and third-party status.

"And they will do something".
And there is nothing Nintendo have done to convince me (or the market) otherwise, that unless they change present business strategies, that they won't end up as bit part players in the "under the TV" market. I don't hate Nintendo. But I call a spade a spade when it is a spade.

You're much more in love with current-gen "AAA Blockbusters" than I care to even discuss. We walk different gaming paths, and I don't have any interest in what you seem to find inspiring. Most games these days bore the shit out of me.

That's why I post on a shmups forum.

So this dismissive opinion is "justified", and is a "judgement", is it? Ok.

If you looked at my "Most anticipated Top 5 (announced) games for 2014?" thread, you'll find that I am looking forward to the following titles - many of which are indie and of "AAA Blockbusters" pedigree:
Metal Gear Solid - This is a AAA Blockbusters. Fair play.
Watch Dogs - Same.
Final Fantasy XV - Same.
HyperLight Drifter - An indie project. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMosNHhyxI
Drakengard 3 - An indie project by S-E's standards. Also developed by the same guys who did Nier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q22r6X9OVRc

Honourable mentions also go out to the the following:
Child of Light - An indie project by the same guy who did Far Cry 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXBbB4sfEpQ
Rime - An indie project by the same guys who did Deadlight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtyKF0zCtA
Castlevania: LoS2 - Again a AAA Blockbuster. Fair play.

4 "AAA Blockbusters" and 4 indie projects. This 50/50 split also means that I am not therefore "much more in love with current-gen "AAA Blockbusters" than (you) care to even discuss". I have one eye on the past, and one eye on in the future. I don't live in the past. And I don't live in the future. But I do live in the "present"

In comparison to the likes of Ubisoft's Assassins Creed, Far Cry and Splinter Cell etc, Rayman Legends is very much an indie project in comparison. I also specifically never asked you to play Rayman Legends (initially), so therefore don't see as to how I was grinding any axes when I mentioned as to how many people (which doesn't mean that I) found Rayman Legends to be a better game than recent 2D platforming games by Nintendo.

To be honest, and if you do indeed walk a "different gaming path", I am extremely surprised as to why you would "have any interest in what I seem to find inspiring"?

And that's the end of that!

I don't have a lot of free time, and am not getting any younger. Life is short enough as it is.

[boagman]

Remember when this thread was about the PS Vita? Yeah...good times.

Hey! I just bought one and it should arrive this coming week! What should I get for it? No RPGs of any kind, thanks...

[replayme]

Hahaha

Knobs.

Indeed, this conversation is far past its sell-by date, and required its own topic several weeks ago.

You started this "conversation". I merely pointed out a reality which implied that 2D Mario was far past his prime, with "pretenders" offering better alternatives.

Of course, you suggest no biasness in your dismissal of my argument. But hey ho...

You can think what you want till world's end. Doesn't change the fact that some people think Rayman Legends is a better platforming game than recent 2D Mario games. And I don't really care if you never take the time to play it. And if modern games bore you, then that's a failure on your part and is just your loss.

I guess like Nintendo, you're stuck in the past. There's no shame in owning up to that either.

Edit:
@ NTSC-J - Yeah, thank you for pointing that out. I did feel slightly ashamed afterwards. Not for the post itself, as I think it's genius (even if it does suffer from grammatical errors), but the context of it.

I should just have written a proper essay. That way I won't risk being drawn into these irrational discussions, and face having to repeat myself.

[replayme]

Remember when this thread was about the PS Vita? Yeah...good times.

Hey! I just bought one and it should arrive this coming week! What should I get for it? No RPGs of any kind, thanks...

Check out Top 10 lists on the internet. I would recommend certain games (Rayman Legends, Gravity Rush etc), but that would only end up upsetting certain people - who would then argue that their opinion is superior to mine, and that they have superior taste.

http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/26 ... vita-games
http://kotaku.com/5886630/the-9-best-ga ... ation-vita
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/ ... =condensed

There's also a sale going on in PSN. And get a year's subscription to PS+ which should net you Gravity Rush and Uncharted from the off.

Edit:
@Null - I think you should be fine. Skykid's got a HK Vita and has set his to have a US account. It works fine for him.

[Skykid]

If anyone's in Europe or has an EU PSN account, I'm selling a year's subscription for £30 here.

And no, I wouldn't recommend Gravity Rush as a purchase, but as a subscription freebie you at least don't have to feel bad when you ultimately find yourself bored and never get around to finishing it.