XBOX 360 has problems!!!!!!!!!!!

[The n00b]

The Thompson Drive, the lack of a decent light gun (yes, I've looked at the one's on Play-Asia, but they all have very mixed reviews), and the fact that Virtua Cop 3 and Xyanide may never see the light of day on the XBOX are all "uncool" in my book, but that's just a few things. And the light gun issue could be chalked up to "uncoolness" on Sega's part for not getting of their duffs and making their own XBOX light-gun.

Was xyanide ever released? Because you really can't hold a game system responsible for the pipe dreams of devs that worked out of their mother's basement. I might as well hold the ps2 responsible for not having Virtuafighter 5....

[Vexorg]

So far the only lame thing about the 560 for me is the nearly $600 hole it left in my wallet, and the fact that I can't find a VGA cable anywhere for it and have to run on composite until I do... I'll have to post more thorough impressions on it later, but for now I'm hooked on Geometry Wars...

[benstylus]

1. Are all of those not just "Buy It Now" idiots? I didn't feel like further investigating.

Most of the ones there are auctions that are still going - so there's a lot with super high buy it now prices that nobody is biting at.

But if you do a completed items search you'll come across some real gems of stupidity...

Item 8236581615 - Core system. No extras. 3 bids, final price $15,099.00 + $30.00 shipping (overnight extra). Winning bidder has a 33 feedback rating.

Item 8236179971 - Real system + 1 extra wired controller. 48 bids, final price $12,100.00 + $25.00 shipping (overnight extra). Winning bidder has a 25 feedback rating.

Absolute insanity.

And of course there's item 8236964698 which appears to be more of a joke than anything else...

Xbox 360 (not specified as core or real system). Buy it now price - $1,000,000.00. 95% of the winning bid to be donated to red cross (Leaving $50,000 for the seller).

Winning buyer of course has zero feedback.

[Ord]

So far the only lame thing about the 560 for me is the nearly $600 hole it left in my wallet, and the fact that I can't find a VGA cable anywhere for it and have to run on composite until I do... I'll have to post more thorough impressions on it later, but for now I'm hooked on Geometry Wars...

Has the 360 version of Mutant Storm been released yet? I'm really looking forward to that as the PC original was great. Geometry Wars is also a must!

[dave4shmups]

So far the only lame thing about the 560 for me is the nearly $600 hole it left in my wallet, and the fact that I can't find a VGA cable anywhere for it and have to run on composite until I do... I'll have to post more thorough impressions on it later, but for now I'm hooked on Geometry Wars...

Has the 360 version of Mutant Storm been released yet? I'm really looking forward to that as the PC original was great. Geometry Wars is also a must!

No Mutant Storm, hasn't been released yet; but it won't be much longer. In any case, I've never played the PC original; how does it distinguish itself from other arena-based shooters?

[dave4shmups]

The Thompson Drive, the lack of a decent light gun (yes, I've looked at the one's on Play-Asia, but they all have very mixed reviews), and the fact that Virtua Cop 3 and Xyanide may never see the light of day on the XBOX are all "uncool" in my book, but that's just a few things. And the light gun issue could be chalked up to "uncoolness" on Sega's part for not getting of their duffs and making their own XBOX light-gun.

Was xyanide ever released? Because you really can't hold a game system responsible for the pipe dreams of devs that worked out of their mother's basement. I might as well hold the ps2 responsible for not having Virtuafighter 5....

Good point, and it might eventually get an XBOX release anyhow. And we can always hope for a Sega ligh-gun for the 360-or at least one better then any of the one's out now, since House of the Dead 4 is slated for a 360 release.

The PS3 darn well better be compatible with the Guncon2, or no PS3 for this gamer!

[dave4shmups]

@JP please don't call people "dumb" on here partly for saying that the PS3 may outsell the 360. You don't know any better then anyone else in the gaming world which console will come out on top-no one will know until all three have been released, and even then it will take a while to determine which one is the winner. And at any rate, who cares? Get the one, or ones, that you like best and don't worry about it.

I just said people were being dumb for declaring the 360 launch a flop... which is quite blatant-fucking-ly obviously not the case. Comprehension skills rule!!!!

Sorry for the misinterpretation JP, and I totally concurr about the 360's launch.

At any rate, I'm much more excited for the 360 then I am for the PS3. Despite the Sony hardware lover that I am, most of the games shown so far do nothing for me. F1 racing?-I HATE racers that are all sim-style! And does the gaming world really need another Gundam title? Metal Gear Solid 4-big deal again; that series bores me to death! Resident Evil 5, the new Warhawk, and I-8 are about the only confirmed titles that excite me at all. (I'll reserve judgement on PS3 Gradius unitl we at least see some screens.) Oh and there's Sonic, which isn't even exclusive to the PS3.

Almost EVERY 360 title out now looks awesome to me! And XBOX Live Arcade is looking better all the time; as is XBOX Live, in general, on the 360-all those games and stages to download-heck yeah! And After Burner 360 and House of the Dead 4 are just the icing on this cake!

Supposedly Sony has like 150 PS3 titles lined up-if so, they'd better start showing us more of the goods, because so far, compared to the 360's line-up, I'm very underwhelmed.

[The n00b]

Dave, we all enjoy your posts but there's nothing wrong with the edit button....

[dave4shmups]

Dave, we all enjoy your posts but there's nothing wrong with the edit button....

Well thanks, and sorry about that!

[Dylan1CC]

Well, hopefully (likely) this isn't widespread because 7 crashes in one night is a cruel, cold milestone for any non-PC console.

And Seth is right on the money. Initial software quality aside, it doesn't matter if Sony fans or the gaming media think the 360 launch isn't "hip" or "stylish" enough to their tastes. That sucker is now locked and loaded in enough homes to be ready for next year's epic (and admittedly humorous) match up of: Halo 3 vs MGS4.

edit: Oh yes, and on a somewhat unrelated yet sad commentary on humanity, a 17 year old kid here in my ND hometown was punched in the face 6 times and robbed of his 360 after launch midnight. Guess that's what happens when you run out of money and things to do while using meth.

[dave4shmups]

Well, hopefully (likely) this isn't widespread because 7 crashes in one night is a cruel, cold milestone for any non-PC console.

And Seth is right on the money. Initial software quality aside, it doesn't matter if Sony fans or the gaming media think the 360 launch isn't "hip" or "stylish" enough to their tastes. That sucker is now locked and loaded in enough homes to be ready for next year's epic (and admittedly humorous) match up of: Halo 3 vs MGS4.

edit: Oh yes, and on a somewhat unrelated yet sad commentary on humanity, a 17 year old kid here in my ND hometown was punched in the face 6 times and robbed of his 360 after launch midnight. Guess that's what happens when you run out of money and things to do while using meth.

Egads, that is a sad story, Dylan! But I agree with you on Seth's comments.

BTW, what does Marble Blast Ultra play like? Looks like a fully-3D Marble Madness, with power-ups.

[professor ganson]

The only thing uncool about the XBOX is that it is the only home console I can think of that actually presented me with less games worth playing/buying than even the N64 (which only had a dozen). Now that is unfuckincool.

Pa

I would have to agree. Unless you like FPSs or racing games, you're a bit screwed. Metal Slug 3, though. That's a quality port of a quality game.

[Vexorg]

So far the only lame thing about the 560 for me is the nearly $600 hole it left in my wallet, and the fact that I can't find a VGA cable anywhere for it and have to run on composite until I do... I'll have to post more thorough impressions on it later, but for now I'm hooked on Geometry Wars...

Has the 360 version of Mutant Storm been released yet? I'm really looking forward to that as the PC original was great. Geometry Wars is also a must!

Yes, I tried out the demo, and it's pretty good. I'll probably pick it up at some point (if for no other reason, to kick a few bucks to the Pompom guys in the hopes that a new Space Tripper makes it over to Live Arcade at some point,) but for now I'm still stuck on Geometry Wars for a while...

[jp]

Personally, I'm excited about the future of the 360. In fact, it holds a lot of dear development team members exclusively.

Artoon - While Blinx and Blinx 2 were mediocre, this is still the only development team I would actually say is a direct descendant of my beloved Team Andromeda. It also has Yoji Ishii on it, one of the main players behind almost all 1st part Saturn games.

Microsoft has Yukio Futatsugi, one of the main players behind Panzer Dragoon Saga. And Phantom Dust was damn good.

Mistwalker - A 1st party showcasing the creator of the Final Fantasy series plus a lot of people that had worked on NiGHTS and Panzer Dragoon? Yes please.

Q Entertainment - Maybe not a 1st party (I heard it was, but I could be wrong). But Ninety-Nine Nights looks damn good, and Tetsuya Mizuguchi is a genious.

G.Rev - It at least seems that Microsoft is pulling for them. Why else would Senkou no Ronde be an Xbox360 exclusive?

Team Ninja - You may hate Dead or Alive, but Ninja Gaiden kicked ass.

Not to mention the first parties like Bungie, Bizarre Creations and Rare (who are really strutting their stuff. Kameo is damn cool and Perfect Dark Zero is a damn good game regardless of whether or not its Halo 3). Also, Microsoft Sudios itself is damn good.

Not to mention the endless possibilities lurking behind the new Xbox Live Arcade. Or great looking games coming up like Gears of War and Oblivion.


And hell, remember how much of a bitch Sony was about 2D games THIS generation? I definitely forsee Microsoft standing by their "open arms to 2D" policy this gen while Sony scoffs at the idea of non-purdy grafix in the US. Nintendo will probably be too busy shoving the Revolution controller down everyone's throats all while scaring away 3rd parties (again).


Yeah, while I don't particularly care about the current generation, I must say, Microsoft is impressing the hell out of me.

[Vexorg]

And another promising sign...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/ ... )id=130007

It seems that at least some of the US 360 launch titles are not being region locked, and will run on a Japanese system. It would be nice to not have to worry about region locks for imports on those...

[jp]

If the 360 isn't region locked... words cannot even begin to express my joy. I wasn't looking forward to the whole modding/boot disc fiasco just so I could enjoy some G.Rev goodness.

[Neon]

I could either buy all the rest of the Saturn games I want, all the rest of the PSX games I want along with some badass PCB's, or...pay $400 for something which as of now has 4 exclusives and no good games.

I think I'll pass.

[Ex_Mosquito]

The only thing uncool about the XBOX is that it is the only home console I can think of that actually presented me with less games worth playing/buying than even the N64 (which only had a dozen). Now that is unfuckincool.

Pa

I would have to agree. Unless you like FPSs or racing games, you're a bit screwed. Metal Slug 3, though. That's a quality port of a quality game.

Erm.. Emulation . Getting the xbox chipped makes a huge difference, it pretty much turns it into the history of videogames in a box . What with perfect mame,final burn,n64,md,snes,gba,amiga,spectrum,snes,sms etc its all you'll ever likly to need. Best console i've ever owned.

But unchipped, i agree with you. Thats why i only own one xbox game. But chipped, OOF!!

note: Actually i much prefer metal slug 3 on kawaks.

[MichiyoNoShiroIV]

It's the same Playstation fanboy fabrecation that plagued the first XBOX and they're the SAME problems.

Grain of salt.

While the first run of any console will have problems they're usually worked out by the 2nd run.

I'm not saying there are no issues with 360 but they aren't as bad as the PS fanboys are trying to make it out to be.

I could either buy all the rest of the Saturn games I want, all the rest of the PSX games I want along with some badass PCB's, or...pay $400 for something which as of now has 4 exclusives and no good games.

I think I'll pass.

Perfect Dark Zero
DOA 4
Rumble Roses XX
RE5...........

I would have to agree. Unless you like FPSs or racing games, you're a bit screwed. Metal Slug 3, though. That's a quality port of a quality game.

Also freakin Impossible really REALLLY REALLY impossible.

[BrianC]

Perfect Dark Zero
DOA 4
Rumble Roses XX
RE5...........

I would have to agree. Unless you like FPSs or racing games, you're a bit screwed. Metal Slug 3, though. That's a quality port of a quality game.

Also freakin Impossible really REALLLY REALLY impossible.

PD Zero sounds like the best of the exclusives you listed, but, from what I read, it sounds like more of the same with better graphics. DoA4 and Rumble Roses XX don't sound like headline titles at all. Two games that probably offer more in the way of fanservice than anything spectacular. Isn't RE5 also coming to PS3?

MS3 Xbox really that impossible? I heard it has limited continues and removed slowdown, but Metal Slug 3 is one of the better balanced games of the series. I also heard that the earlier Metal Slug games get much easier once you get the patterns down.

[dave4shmups]

If the 360 isn't region locked... words cannot even begin to express my joy. I wasn't looking forward to the whole modding/boot disc fiasco just so I could enjoy some G.Rev goodness.

Yeah, that would ROCK! Otherwise, the 360 is going to be a REAL pain in the arse to mod-Microsoft has to know about all the people who use the XBOX partly for emulation, so modding this time around would be a LOT harder. People say that it can always be done, but, AFIK, there is no modchip that doesn't cause laser blowouts on the PSTwo.

It'll be a while, though, before I pick one of these up-I still haven't finished my (domestic) PS2 and PS1 collection-gotta get ALL those Guncon2 games, for one! And Nintendo's old systems, since I am fed up with waiting on Nintendo, and there won't be any import downloads available for the Revolution.

Perhaps SNK could use XBOX Live Arcade to port some of their old 1980's games, since it seems like we're never gonna see SNK Classics Collection. XBOX Live Arcade has been great for the most part, so far, but there have been a few games-Gauntlet, Joust, and Robotron-that are already available on classics collections. I just hope that the bulk of XBOX Live Arcade games don't end up being ones like this.

[system11]

As for modding the 360 - it could take a little while. Everything required to lock the machine down is in the CPU itself, including the flash area and key, and a thing called the 'hypervisor' which verifies the ram isnt being tampered with at all times.

[MichiyoNoShiroIV]

As for modding the 360 - it could take a little while. Everything required to lock the machine down is in the CPU itself, including the flash area and key, and a thing called the 'hypervisor' which verifies the ram isnt being tampered with at all times.

I give it 6 months tops

MS3 Xbox really that impossible? I heard it has limited continues and removed slowdown, but Metal Slug 3 is one of the better balanced games of the series. I also heard that the earlier Metal Slug games get much easier once you get the patterns down.

you restart the WHOLE level when you continue and the only way to keep that from happening is pressing Player 2 start to keep going.

So the final level you're at the final boss kicking it's huge alien head ass you die...........20 more min of your life gone.

[Neo Rasa]

I'm really happy with the 360 so far. I've got Condemned, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero. Going to get DoA4 and Quake IV later on (Quake IV has a pretty nasty bug in it at the moment so I'll hold off on that).

Perfect Dark Zero is basically Headhunter only in the first person. I'm really really happy with it.

[Vexorg]

I finally managed to come up with a VGA HDAV cable for mine today so I can run at 720P now (I can actually run as high as 1280x1024, but things get stretched at those resolutions, so 1280x720 with the "Preserve Aspect Ratio" setting enabled on ny LCD seems like the way to go.) It makes a world of difference over the Composite I was stuck with until I could find it. I also grabbed PDZ today, and although I'm not a big FPS fan (I have about a 45 minute window of tolerance at any given time for an FPS before I start to get motion sick) it seems pretty good. Spent quite a bit of time on PGR3, which looks amazing in 720P, and I'm still stuck on Geometry Wars as well. I'll have to figure out the rank system in that one, because if you let it, it'll make Garegga's seem friendly in comparison.

[ST Dragon]

Interestingly enough it seems that Microsoft is lossing $126 for every X-Box 360 unit sold.

http://news.gamewinners.com/index.php/news/3793/

History repeating?

And Microsoft will try again if Xbox 360 fails...

http://news.gamewinners.com/index.php/w ... 360_fails/

[judesalmon]

Only thing uncool about the xbox for me was that it taught me how lame the driving games were on the ps2. Forza and the Rallisport Challenge series just had no equals on the ps2 and I was forever spoiled.

Forza better than Gran Turismo?

[system11]

Only thing uncool about the xbox for me was that it taught me how lame the driving games were on the ps2. Forza and the Rallisport Challenge series just had no equals on the ps2 and I was forever spoiled.

Forza better than Gran Turismo?

Yeah - seems an odd thing to say. If you were evaluating them overall, Forza might get a lot of bonus points for actually working online, but loses loads for that '30fps when it can manage' engine, while GT4 pushed 60 on the PS2.

[The n00b]

Only thing uncool about the xbox for me was that it taught me how lame the driving games were on the ps2. Forza and the Rallisport Challenge series just had no equals on the ps2 and I was forever spoiled.

Forza better than Gran Turismo?

Yeah - seems an odd thing to say. If you were evaluating them overall, Forza might get a lot of bonus points for actually working online, but loses loads for that '30fps when it can manage' engine, while GT4 pushed 60 on the PS2.

It seems an odd thing to say but take away that big GT label off GT4 and then evaluate the game. Now GT4 is not a bad game at all but it doesn't take the console car sim genre anywhere. Maybe it is laziness on the dev's part but more likely they were trying to please a fanbase that is happy with small incremental changes.

Microsoft took a lot of chances with Forza. They didn't try to make a GT clone like Sega GT 2002 and other games. They built a car sim from the ground up. That means they came up with their own realistic physics system instead of a half hearted copy of GT's, put damage in the game, included some real racing competition, put online multiplayer in, and made the car roster more inclusive.

Now pushing 60 fps is great, Forza should have done it, but didn't GT3 push 60 fps? It's a great gameplay aspect but so is good racer AI, online multiplayer, the car roster, and car physics. These are all things that GT4 did not improve on and yet they all affect gameplay. Gamespot pretty much agreed and docked GT4 a couple points even before Forza came out.

I'm sorry to write so much about this in an xbox360 thread but I'm really into the console car sim genre and I'm still disappointed by GT4. I am still a GT fan, though, because this genre sorely needs competition if it is to survive as a viable genre of games and not sink into Madden-like stupidity.

[sethsez]

Only thing uncool about the xbox for me was that it taught me how lame the driving games were on the ps2. Forza and the Rallisport Challenge series just had no equals on the ps2 and I was forever spoiled.

Forza better than Gran Turismo?

Yeah - seems an odd thing to say. If you were evaluating them overall, Forza might get a lot of bonus points for actually working online, but loses loads for that '30fps when it can manage' engine, while GT4 pushed 60 on the PS2.

Too bad the AI still sucks a fat one. Any sort of competitive racing (that is, anything that isn't a time trial) is completely lame in GT4, and for some reason there's been absolutely no attempt to fix this. It's a pretty game with a great engine, good physics and bad racing. That's not an appealing combination to me. Forza isn't as polished, but the core it's built around is much more solid.