The PS Vita Thread - Remote Play for all PS4 Games

[Skykid]

It's a bit of a baseless comparison though, because yes, if the games were identical more people would go for the nice OLED and better control interface - but the Vita never will have Nintendo games and that's a huge reason for its sales struggle.

Unfortunate as it is, I don`t think an average consumer gives a hoot about OLED. Vita`s sales in Japan have actually gone up since the introduction of the LCD version. Damn philistines!

Wait...so the Vitas that are out now don't have the OLED screen? They *downgraded* the thing? When did this happen? How'd I miss this? US systems too, correct?

All systems worldwide. It's the 2000 model.

Actually, the LCD looks pretty damn good; it's not an obvious quality drop by any stretch and I enjoyed playing the 2000 at the demo point - but the unit has been made slimmer, rounder and slightly lighter, which I don't like. For the amount the price has been reduced (marginal) I prefer the original's feel, and side by side the OLED beats the LCD for colour contrast and detail no problem. Digital Foundry did a nice comparison here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... 000-review

[Marc]

I genuinely don't understand how Gravity Rush scored so well in reviews. It's tedious beyond belief. To even try and compare it to a Zelda, even the weakest, is madness.

[Skykid]

I genuinely don't understand how Gravity Rush scored so well in reviews. It's tedious beyond belief. To even try and compare it to a Zelda, even the weakest, is madness.

Of course, and I'd say the same for any really excellent video game experience. You know when something is wonderful for its overall form: a dream experience at every step. Gravity Rush just doesn't have genuine high notes, it starts to feel like a slog. And I have no idea why the gem collecting side quests even exist, you can completely ignore them and just follow the main story beacons and it's of no consequence. Filler springs to mind.

I had really high hopes after 20 minutes though. The gravity manipulation is awesome.

[Jonathan Ingram]

A small heads up for those who want to run PSP ISOs and homebrew on their Vita: a new usermode exploit with kernel access is scheduled to be revealed between now and January. Keep your eyes peeled for an announcement at http://wololo.net/ and refresh it at least twice a day if you want to catch the exploitable game before Sony takes it down. It`s been at least a year since the last kernel level exploit.

[Skykid]

A small heads up for those who want to run PSP ISOs and homebrew on their Vita: a new usermode exploit with kernel access is scheduled to be revealed between now and January. Keep your eyes peeled for an announcement at http://wololo.net/ and refresh it at least twice a day if you want to catch the exploitable game before Sony takes it down. It`s been at least a year since the last kernel level exploit.

Ooh, just in time!

[iconoclast]

Speaking of tedious filler, I've been playing Muramasa for the last week or so. The combat can be pretty fun (especially the boss fights and the caves), the game is gorgeous, and the story was surprisingly enjoyable, but my god is it annoying to run through screen after screen of empty, repetitive fields. Even worse, you'll occasionally be stopped for a random encounter against a group of fodder enemies who take about 5 seconds to dispatch, which turns the combat into a mindless chore. I still think it's a decent game (6 or 7/10ish), but it would have been so much better if they cut out all of that padding and put more emphasis on the action. At least they learned from most of Muramasa's flaws before they started working on Dragon's Crown.

[Skykid]

Dragon's Crown is the best Vanillaware have done striking a balance between beauty and solid game design, but Muramasa is oh so seductive I can't help loving it despite its flaws. Besides, a playthrough with one character isn't that long. Harvesting all the blades, now that's tedious.

No Dariusburst or Gokumakaimura Kai on the PSN PSP downloads. Nuts. I found Ys I and II which are meant to be legendary, but metacritic suggests they're past their sell by date. Never played them, any feedback?

[ZellSF]

You're caring about what metacritic says. Stop that.

[dunpeal2064]

I played through Ys 1 recently, having never touched the series before, and I thought it was great. Cool music, nice pacing, and some interesting boss battles. Ramming your sprite into enemies is pretty entertaining.

The 2nd game is supposed to be even better (and longer, the 1st game clocks in around 8 hours) , but I never got around to trying it out.

[Skykid]

You're caring about what metacritic says. Stop that.

Not so much, which is why I asked here.
However it's the only google place with a quick synopsis and most recognised the title's legendary status, just not so much its content.

However, a JRPG clocking in at 8 hours! Now that's my sort of thing - might have to give it a shot.

[ZellSF]

It's not a jRPG, like all the Ys games it's an action RPG. Ys I + II is also more like two parts of one game, they should be played in quick succession.

[Skykid]

it's an action RPG

Sold.

[dunpeal2064]

However, a JRPG clocking in at 8 hours! Now that's my sort of thing - might have to give it a shot.

Yeah, its refreshing how rarely this game drags you around (Although, like many old RPGs, there are some points where you'll need to grind.)

Having to ram yourself into bosses gets pretty interesting, as you really have to learn how to dodge their patterns to get in close. I want to say it almost feels shmup-like, but I don't want to set expectations too high.

I often hear what Zell is getting at, that the games are meant to be played back-to-back. Had my memory in my Duo not corrupted, I would have done that, but I can say that the first game was enjoyable in itself. Its not a LotR-style cutoff, the game does have a great final battle and concludes the story happening in the first game. Or, at least it appears to, the 2nd game may prove me wrong!

[replayme]

I genuinely don't understand how Gravity Rush scored so well in reviews. It's tedious beyond belief. To even try and compare it to a Zelda, even the weakest, is madness.

Of course, and I'd say the same for any really excellent video game experience. You know when something is wonderful for its overall form: a dream experience at every step. Gravity Rush just doesn't have genuine high notes, it starts to feel like a slog. And I have no idea why the gem collecting side quests even exist, you can completely ignore them and just follow the main story beacons and it's of no consequence. Filler springs to mind.

I had really high hopes after 20 minutes though. The gravity manipulation is awesome.

I don't know man... Twilight Princess was really weak. That felt like a real slog after only 10 minutes. So much so that I stopped playing it after 30 minutes. To GR's credit, I've played it for longer than 30 minutes. So I guess it must be better - if only because of the fact that it was "free".

I also never said that the game is perfect. It has its flaws, but its charm just compels you to play it further.

And regarding the gem collecting: I assume you played OoT (as your article on Eurogamer kind of affirms). You do realise that the Skultulas were also largely a waste of time, don't you?

Tbh: I think the only reason why anyone is criticising GR to this extent is because it's not done by Nintendo. If it had the Nintendo badge on it, most of the people criticising it would have gone absolutely gaga over it.

And no, I don't really care if GR is done by Sony. I just think that the gaming market is overly biased towards Nintendo - who themselves haven't made enough games (that resonate with me over the last decade) to justify their pedestalisation.

And yes: even OoT was tiring for nearly half of the game's length. And I say this as someone who love(s/d) Zelda.

[replayme]

I genuinely don't understand how Gravity Rush scored so well in reviews. It's tedious beyond belief. To even try and compare it to a Zelda, even the weakest, is madness.

I don't know... The Philips CDI versions were pretty weak

[replayme]

Dragon's Crown is the best Vanillaware have done striking a balance between beauty and solid game design, but Muramasa is oh so seductive I can't help loving it despite its flaws. Besides, a playthrough with one character isn't that long. Harvesting all the blades, now that's tedious.

No Dariusburst or Gokumakaimura Kai on the PSN PSP downloads. Nuts. I found Ys I and II which are meant to be legendary, but metacritic suggests they're past their sell by date. Never played them, any feedback?

Yeah... There are a few PSN games I want. But they're mostly US PS1 Classics which I'll no doubt be "forced" to playing on my PSP. Not that I mind, as the low res screen helps give them a more interlaced look imho.

[Skykid]

Had my memory in my Duo not corrupted, I would have done that

You were playing through in Japanese?

I don't know man... Twilight Princess was really weak. That felt like a real slog after only 10 minutes. So much so that I stopped playing it after 30 minutes.

I felt Twilight Princess was a weaker Zelda title, but I finished it. I don't think you can quite critique it after 30 minutes.

And regarding the gem collecting: I assume you played OoT (as your article on Eurogamer kind of affirms). You do realise that the Skultulas were also largely a waste of time, don't you?

They were a side objective I never cared for with any commitment. But on the rare occasion one popped up, I'd nab it and drop into the House on the way through the village simply to see who'd pop up.
In Gravity Rush the gem collecting is meant to be (and is) an enormous segment of the game, expecting you to go on repetitive time trials to light up a street or turn on a fountain. It's not comparable, because ignore all that nonsense and the game is about 50% shorter - and if you do ignore it, it makes absolutely no difference to proceedings whatsoever.

Tbh: I think the only reason why anyone is criticising GR to this extent is because it's not done by Nintendo. If it had the Nintendo badge on it, most of the people criticising it would have gone absolutely gaga over it.

No matter how many times you say this, it will never be true.

And yes: even OoT was tiring for nearly half of the game's length.

Takes a while to warm up to during the training process: getting to the future and big Link (around 2 hours game time.) Thereafter it held me for every second of every minute, with nothing spared.

[dunpeal2064]

Oh, no, it was a Turbo Duo, I was playing through the US release.

[Skykid]

Oh, no, it was a Turbo Duo, I was playing through the US release.

Wat, I didn't know Ys got a US release on the PCE. Maybe I should hold off and play it in a more original format. Assuming Xseed redid the translations etc?

[dunpeal2064]

Oh, no, it was a Turbo Duo, I was playing through the US release.

Wat, I didn't know Ys got a US release on the PCE. Maybe I should hold off and play it in a more original format. Assuming Xseed redid the translations etc?

Yeah, Ys Books 1&2 had a US release, as well as Ys 3. I believe you are correct that XSEED redid the translation, but I'm not positive.

[ZellSF]

if you want to play the original, have fun with that 4 direction only walking (really, don't).

[BulletMagnet]

I found Ys I and II which are meant to be legendary, but metacritic suggests they're past their sell by date. Never played them, any feedback?

They are classics, but yes, they are also old, so play them but be prepared for a handful of outdated conventions and design decisions.

[Skykid]

if you want to play the original, have fun with that 4 direction only walking (really, don't).

Google Fu later and I think the PSP one is closer to the very nice looking Windows version. At first I thought the 2D backgrounds were CG moulded, but apparently not. 2D + OLED = Yesplease.

As soon as I sort out a US account for my memory stick, I'll grab it (I've decided US is the way to go after reading an article in Jon Ingram's link above.)

I found Ys I and II which are meant to be legendary, but metacritic suggests they're past their sell by date. Never played them, any feedback?

They are classics, but yes, they are also old, so play them but be prepared for a handful of outdated conventions and design decisions.

Old games are what I live for. I'm sure I can get into it.

[dunpeal2064]

I didn't grow up on old, tough games, and I didn't find anything that aged poorly about the game. Maybe its a case of not knowing what I am missing with the newer games, but as someone who couldn't work his way through the first Dragon Quest, I found Ys 1 on the Turbo perfectly playable.

[ZellSF]

if you want to play the original, have fun with that 4 direction only walking (really, don't).

Google Fu later and I think the PSP one is closer to the very nice looking Windows version. At first I thought the 2D backgrounds were CG moulded, but apparently not. 2D + OLED = Yesplease.

As soon as I sort out a US account for my memory stick, I'll grab it (I've decided US is the way to go after reading an article in Jon Ingram's link above.)

This? Yes, getting a US account is optimal, but the chance of Sony blocking it somehow or your account being compromised and Sony wanting to contact you at your (fake) US address to fix it is a bit scary.

My main account is an US account and I'm subscribed to PS+ for three years from now on it, just saying there is a drawback.

[replayme]

I've been a UK PS+ subscriber for nearly a year now, so for me, the only reason for why I would want to switch to a US account as my primary account would be because of the US PS1 Classics (which run at 60 hz). All the PSP games I can pick up for my PSP in UMD form - and they're generally cheaper too (and not region locked to the best of my knowledge).

[ZellSF]

I've been a UK PS+ subscriber for nearly a year now, so for me, the only reason for why I would want to switch to a US account as my primary account would be because of the US PS1 Classics (which run at 60 hz). All the PSP games I can pick up for my PSP in UMD form - and they're generally cheaper too (and not region locked to the best of my knowledge).

Not having to deal with UMDs is very much worth paying for.

[gct]

if you want to play the original, have fun with that 4 direction only walking (really, don't).

Google Fu later and I think the PSP one is closer to the very nice looking Windows version. At first I thought the 2D backgrounds were CG moulded, but apparently not. 2D + OLED = Yesplease.

As soon as I sort out a US account for my memory stick, I'll grab it (I've decided US is the way to go after reading an article in Jon Ingram's link above.)

I found Ys I and II which are meant to be legendary, but metacritic suggests they're past their sell by date. Never played them, any feedback?

They are classics, but yes, they are also old, so play them but be prepared for a handful of outdated conventions and design decisions.

Old games are what I live for. I'm sure I can get into it.

XSEED also released I&II Chronicles on Steam if you would rather play on PC. The PSP version is nice enough, I did not notice anything reduced in quality for the conversion. Yes, it is old and the gameplay is simplistic, but it's still such a dense game that you can finish in a few hours, I have replayed it numerous times and still enjoy taking it out now and then when I want some ARPG fun but don't have a lot of time to commit. The 2D graphics are absolutely charming to this day, filled with many little details and IMO every bit as timeless as something like LTTP.

[antares]

A small heads up for those who want to run PSP ISOs and homebrew on their Vita: a new usermode exploit with kernel access is scheduled to be revealed between now and January. Keep your eyes peeled for an announcement at http://wololo.net/ and refresh it at least twice a day if you want to catch the exploitable game before Sony takes it down. It`s been at least a year since the last kernel level exploit.

Just a question, if you do this and Sony releases a new Vita FW it will be lost after installing the new FW, right? And it you don't install the new FW you can't go online with your Vita from then on.

[ZellSF]

if you want to play the original, have fun with that 4 direction only walking (really, don't).

Google Fu later and I think the PSP one is closer to the very nice looking Windows version. At first I thought the 2D backgrounds were CG moulded, but apparently not. 2D + OLED = Yesplease.

As soon as I sort out a US account for my memory stick, I'll grab it (I've decided US is the way to go after reading an article in Jon Ingram's link above.)

They are classics, but yes, they are also old, so play them but be prepared for a handful of outdated conventions and design decisions.

Old games are what I live for. I'm sure I can get into it.

XSEED also released I&II Chronicles on Steam if you would rather play on PC. The PSP version is nice enough, I did not notice anything reduced in quality for the conversion.

Framerate and resolution.

A small heads up for those who want to run PSP ISOs and homebrew on their Vita: a new usermode exploit with kernel access is scheduled to be revealed between now and January. Keep your eyes peeled for an announcement at http://wololo.net/ and refresh it at least twice a day if you want to catch the exploitable game before Sony takes it down. It`s been at least a year since the last kernel level exploit.

Just a question, if you do this and Sony releases a new Vita FW it will be lost after installing the new FW, right? And it you don't install the new FW you can't go online with your Vita from then on.

Pretty much yes, nor can you play newer games because they'll require newer firmwares. Your choice if it's worth it, but with Tearaway and Ys: Celceta released there aren't any big games coming for a while.