XBOX 360 has problems!!!!!!!!!!!

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:56 am

Yep, you read it right!

http://www.b2g2.com/boards/board.cgi?ac ... ddealgames

From my friend in an other forum.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:35 pm

While I'd really like to bash the X360 (for whole other reasons). I reall think it's very premature to say "the" X360 has problems based on 1 person's account and some rumoring.

There's always a number of failing machines on a production of hundreds of thousands or even millions.
And even if there was a more than "normal" number of failing machines:

Every major console launch of the last few years had at least some problems (be it with wrongly pressed discs, flying discs and more), which can just be considered as start-up hick ups.

Let's wait for a few more weeks and see if this really is a problem and on what scale.

Never thought to be defending Microsoft! Ever!

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:17 pm

Wow now you can say that Microsoft really is copying Sony!

Anyway this seems to be becoming pretty normal as far as console launches go. It's too bad Nintendo seems to be the only console maker who cares about hardware quality anymore. I'm not even a Nintendo fanboy either....

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:35 pm

It never surprises me when my systems overheat due to the heat. Now if they overheated due to the midgets i keep in that pit out in the desert then that would worry me because that would mean they are doing voodoo against me! I better do something fast!!!

theevilfunkster · Post by **theevilfunkster** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:00 pm

The n00b wrote:
It's too bad Nintendo seems to be the only console maker who cares about hardware quality anymore. I'm not even a Nintendo fanboy either....

My GameCube was fucked within days of purchase so maybe they dont care all that much.

Andi · Post by **Andi** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:46 pm

My Saturn's got problems too. The fucking cartridge port keeps dying. So do my NES and my Genesis. Video game hardware is just mother-fucking cheap.

However, I believe that a relatively serious problem like that of the X-Box 360 will be fixed.

TalkingOctopus · Post by **TalkingOctopus** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:14 pm

I'm guessing that one of the fans is not working in his 360. I am sure this problem is not widespread. I believe they have some QA.

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:28 pm

The 360 does have a problem with overheating (we have three at work and the get hot as hell), but only in extreme cases should it cause problems like the ones mentioned here.

Just make sure it is well ventilated and not kept on carpet.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:36 pm

I remember reading on one site that more often than not, an initial console launch can have up to a 10% defect rate.

I've been lucky in that only 1 of my consoles has ever completely died (my first Neo CD unit). Many of the others work just fine, with a few having a couple of quirks.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:41 pm

Wow!! Check out the ridiculous price these things are going on for!

eBay link!

Eighteen launch titles, with about four or five of them being actual "NEW" titles (Ridge Racer 6, Perfect Dark Zero, Condemned, Project Gotham Racing 3), the rest just being ports of already existing multi-platform games.

Ridiculous amount of defective hardware.

Easily the worst launch ever.

Does anybody remember the Dreamcast launch by the way? What games were available for it?
Some consider it as the best console launch ever, but was it so?

Mod edit: shortened link - ZK

TalkingOctopus · Post by **TalkingOctopus** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:00 pm

Does anybody remember the Dreamcast launch by the way? What games were available for it?
Some consider it as the best console launch ever, but was it so?

Soul Calibur, Power Stone, Virtua Fighter 3, nlf2k, house of the dead II and Sonic Adventure were all launch titles. I bought the dc for soul calibur.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:09 pm

ST Dragon wrote:Wow!! Check out the ridiculous price these things are going on for!

eBay link!

Eighteen launch titles, with about four or five of them being actual "NEW" titles (Ridge Racer 6, Perfect Dark Zero, Condemned, Project Gotham Racing 3), the rest just being ports of already existing multi-platform games.

Ridiculous amount of defective hardware.

Easily the worst launch ever.

Does anybody remember the Dreamcast launch by the way? What games were available for it?
Some consider it as the best console launch ever, but was it so?

1. Are all of those not just "Buy It Now" idiots? I didn't feel like further investigating.

2. Ridiculous amounts of fucked up hardware? So far this is the first I've heard of that problem, and its probably kids putting the system in poorly ventilated areas.

3. 18 launch titles is bad? While I may only be interested in... 4 or 5 of these games, thats 3 times as many games launching as usual. Also, Dreamcast and 16-bit consoles aside, I would say that title wise the 360 has had the most solid launch period...

And factor in the fact that Bill Gates gave everyone who waited up to buy an Xbox 360 a present (took off $50 on the purchase... everywhere, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc.), I would say MS did a damn good job with the 360.

And whenever I get around to getting one (why get one now when the DS is the real show stopper of the holiday season?) I will definitely enjoy the fuck outta some Senko no Ronde, Oblivion, Gears of War, etc. etc.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:11 pm

I think only the SNES had as good of a launch as the DC did. Most titles were solid.

About the Xbox 360, I had read in my local paper that one of the test units crashed and froze. So it's more widespread than it seems.

Wonder why Nintendo offers 1 year warranty while others offer only 90 days.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:26 pm

Specineff wrote:I think only the SNES had as good of a launch as the DC did. Most titles were solid.

About the Xbox 360, I had read in my local paper that one of the test units crashed and froze. So it's more widespread than it seems.

Wonder why Nintendo offers 1 year warranty while others offer only 90 days.

Ah my top launches would be DC and original xbox. Of course having a bad launch doesn't seem to hurt too many consoles. I'll just mention looking at recent history because I don't want to come off as a Sony, 360, or Nintendo basher.

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:44 pm

The 360 has a good range of launch games, but none are classics. It may have the bigger launch, but the Xbox's launch was better, thanks to just one game.

No Halo at launch? Microsoft, you have messed up.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:03 pm

Specineff wrote:Wonder why Nintendo offers 1 year warranty while others offer only 90 days.

At least 1 good thing in Dutch consumer rights is that no matter what the company grants you for a warrenty period, there's an "certain expected lifetime without product disfunction" warranty. It's not writtten in stone but if you for instance buy a washing machine with 12 months warrenty, and it break after 15 months you can be sure as hell to get a costless repair or replacement since one "might reasonably expect" the machine to last longer before showing certain faults/malfunctions! If it's not the retailer, than it's the producer of the goods but you'll get back a working machine back without having to fork out yourself!

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:46 am

judesalmon wrote:No Halo at launch? Microsoft, you have messed up.

They plan on releasing Halo 3 the day the PS3 comes out. Some big egos they have at Microsoft.

As for the hardware failures; despite being a patrotic American, I believe all things made American are built to fall apart, so the manufacturers can make more money replacing the cheap shitty parts at wallet-raping prices. That's captialism for ya.

I'm going to wait on the 360. It does look very impressive in terms of graphics, but graphics means nothing if there's no gameplay to back them up.

Hell, I'm going to buy the first Xbox! That should be a clue to ya all that I'm always a generation behind.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:22 am

jp wrote:2. Ridiculous amounts of fucked up hardware? So far this is the first I've heard of that problem, and its probably kids putting the system in poorly ventilated areas.

I've played all my older consoles continually, for an extended period of time in a poorly ventilated room, where the heat can reach 40 degrees Celsius during summer time, but I've never had any of them freeze on me.

So, bad ventilation should not be a factor in this case.
Poor excuse from MS imo.

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:25 pm

FatCobra wrote:As for the hardware failures; despite being a patrotic American, I believe all things made American are built to fall apart, so the manufacturers can make more money replacing the cheap shitty parts at wallet-raping prices. That's captialism for ya.

No, you are wrong about this. The production lines of all the consoles, 360, X-Box, PS2, GameCube, GBA, PSP, DS ... are in fact in China. So thus the PC you are using to access this forum.

No wonder everything are built to about the same quality, because all of them are Made in China.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:04 pm

Very true!

Don't forget Taiwan

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:02 pm

On the Gamespot fourms, some of the units are starting smoking!!!

MJR · Post by **MJR** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:55 pm

slashdotted.

Let's face it, this is starting to look like a small disaster for microsoft..

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:05 pm

I hereby nominate this as worst launch ever. Here's hoping the ps3 and revolution launches will be better...

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:30 pm

HAHAHAHHAHAHhaHAHA!

I love it!

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:35 pm

I'm waiting for news of an X360 exploding, taking out a small neighbourhood. Hardware failures are one of the reasons why I never buy a console at launch, and instead would prefer to buy the console when it's been through a few revisions and had problems ironed out.

That and the launch games usually suck. (I wait until there's at least 5 good games worth buying. If not, the console doesn't make it to my collection.)

Post by **system11** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:40 pm

It would be interesting to know what percentage of machines have failed, out of the million or so they have shifted in this first allocation.

Yes that's right - a million. Makes those 20 dead ones sound fairly insignificant. As always, you only ever hear about the ones that broke - it'll be much longer before anyone can say just how widespread any problems are. Most likely explanation I've seen so far is there's apparently more than one type of power supply, and one crashing machine magically worked fine when hooked up to the other type.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:05 pm

Icarus wrote:I'm waiting for news of an X360 exploding, taking out a small neighbourhood.

Just wait until the reports of 360's eating babies come flooding in.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:04 pm

Some people have narrowed it down to the PSU. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was otherwise.

You guys think Sony will fare better? Hah. I bet my entire game collection that there will be reports of blind PS3s all over the world.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:18 pm

Specineff wrote:Some people have narrowed it down to the PSU. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was otherwise.

You guys think Sony will fare better? Hah. I bet my entire game collection that there will be reports of blind PS3s all over the world.

Think? No I'm down to HOPING Sony will fare better. Of course judging by the PS2 launch, I will most likely be disappointed.

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:22 pm

Could it be because there's ghosts in there?

http://ghostbusters360.ytmnd.com