PS4 / Xbox One console war

[Daigohji]

If PSN is telling anyone in the UK that their password is wrong today, it seems that Sony have detected 'suspicious activity' of some sort and reset some people's passwords, then not bothered to tell anyone about it. I had this problem today. Manually resetting my password again has done the trick and let me log in again.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013- ... ry-measure

[system11]

This thread is now officially a console war topic.

Ground rules:
* The console war will not operate outside of this topic.
* No personal attacks or direct abuse as per the usual rules.
* The Wii-U is to be considered off topic.
* Spin information in whichever way entertains you the most, but presented factual information must be true.
* No flooding the topic.
* No complaining about console wars - if you are not interested in it, read other topics.
* No image meme spam.

I believe it is the right of all gamers to back a company in a console war, as has happened since time began. I have selected the PS4, as I believe Microsoft must be punished for their attempted ruination of gaming despite having now changed almost every policy.

[cools]

I blame Sega for quitting, Don Bluth for inventing QTEs, Sony for limitless storage, Nintendo for controllers with twenty thousand buttons and Atari for the wholesale destruction of the environment.

Also iD Software for not policing the FPS genre properly.

[Casey120]

Do you want the total console War ?

[system11]

Allegedly the waiting list for PS4 stock is now 2.3 million. That's crazy if true.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Holy smokes! That`s a lot! I guess Foxconn sweatshops in China are going to be switching to 24-hour shifts if Sony is to meet the demand.

[Casey120]

That 2.3 million backorder is no backorder but seems to be the gamestop mailing list where you can sign up and show your interest for the console, not pre orders or sales .
http://www.gamestop.com/ps4

There seems to be a lot more interest in the PS4 though as the Bone list is less then half that .

[Ed Oscuro]

Holy smokes! That`s a lot! I guess Foxconn sweatshops in China are going to be switching to 24-hour shifts if Sony is to meet the demand.

Don't forget about 40, 50, 60 and even 70-year-old American workers working long hours hauling boxes back and forth in Amazon (and other retailer) warehouses where you can get fired for talking.

All this stuff is really great for workers everywhere.

I blame [...] Nintendo for controllers with twenty thousand buttons and Atari for the wholesale destruction of the environment.

I think that's a bit backwards - Nintendo's controllers actually were meant to be more pick-up-and-play friendly, while the PlayStation's controllers really started pushing for getting controls for every finger (like the L1/L2 buttons...even after all these years when I see that terminology it gives me a moment's pause). The GameCube didn't even try to have a proper second analog stick, and the "A" button was just one huge green button. One of the worst offenders for buttons, buttons everywhere was the Jaguar's odd '70s throwback calculator pad type controller.

In terms of manufacturing huge amounts of utter shit for money, I don't think it actually gets worse than Nintendo. Nintendo e-Reader, Nintendo handhelds upgraded every couple years, Nintendo Game Boy Camera, Nintendo 64 disposable-type film cameras (I have a couple of these! WHY), Mario fucking vibrators for all I know.

Atari's 7800 console is one of the earlier systems that's backwards compatible with older games.

[system11]

First video of a broken Xbone on Youtube now. Watch it turn into alarmist 50% claims by this time tomorrow.

[Skykid]

Mario fucking vibrators for all I know.

Oh you so know they exist. I can imagine a few Japanese girls have their own special Toad.

[Tokyo-J]

Bought a XB1 until Sony releases the PS4 in Japan. Have no interest in US/Euro developed games.

[ACSeraph]

Bought a XB1 until Sony releases the PS4 in Japan. Have no interest in US/Euro developed games.

Wait... wut?

[Domino]

I'm going to be very curious where the modern shooting game development is going to wind up this time around. You needed a PS2 years back, nowadays a 360 is needed, and maybe this new generation it's the PS4. Funny I think.

[Friendly]

First video of a broken Xbone on Youtube now.

You mean this? http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cbjes4_vL7Y

P.S.
Thanks for silencing the whining and supporting common sense. It doesn't seem like Microsoft has gotten nearly enough backlash for what they tried to pull- they still believe it was an awesome plan and we just weren't ready. While I believe that those memory-challenged consumers who are now buying Xbones despite all that's happened and despite Xbone being the weaker, more expensive hardware deserve to be privacy-invaded and micro-transactioned for all they are worth, I also believe that supporting the NSA-box is sending entirely the wrong signal to the industry we all care about so much.

[Stormwatch]

You know, this is not like the old MD/SNES war. Back then, there were two big players, and everything else was an afterthought. But PC and mobile gaming are very strong contenders these days... in fact, the real revolution now is that there are hundreds of millions of powerful game machines (that also happen to be cell phones) in the hands of people who would not usually get game machines.

PS4? XB1? No, Android is the new king.

[ACSeraph]

...they still believe it was an awesome plan and we just weren't ready.

That's what they say because they aren't ready to give up on the idea just yet. But they know the only one it's "awesome" for is Microsoft itself. I interpret their "people weren't ready" speak as "You better get ready, because it's coming whether you like it or not"

But again, Sony wants it just as bad, they were just smarter about reading the way the wind was blowing. In a way the existence of the Xbox is important, because when Microsoft tries to pull some crazy bullshit, Sony will be there to profit by taking the opposite road. But what if the Xbox division crashed and burned leaving Sony almost totally in control? I guarantee you that they would start stripping away the consumer rights one by way, though they would go about it in a much slower stealthier manner than Microsoft.

So basically what I'm saying is that the console war is somewhat important for consumer rights, even beyond the obvious importance of competition breeding quality tech.

[Skykid]

You know, this is not like the old MD/SNES war. Back then, there were two big players, and everything else was an afterthought. But PC and mobile gaming are very strong contenders these days... in fact, the real revolution now is that there are hundreds of millions of powerful game machines (that also happen to be cell phones) in the hands of people who would not usually get game machines.

PS4? XB1? No, Android is the new king.

^ This, and will likely to continue to erode the established console generation prefix more and more. The Vita interface is basically a mobile app hybrid with Nintendo-borrowed family music and cringey idiot-friendly tutorials (making faces out of photos and mapping them to a cube - wtf?!) and I'm sure future console business is going to keep on down the avenue of trying to be android until it probably becomes indistinguishable.

Thanks for silencing the whining and supporting common sense. It doesn't seem like Microsoft has gotten nearly enough backlash for what they tried to pull- they still believe it was an awesome plan and we just weren't ready. While I believe that those memory-challenged consumers who are now buying Xbones despite all that's happened and despite Xbone being the weaker, more expensive hardware deserve to be privacy-invaded and micro-transactioned for all they are worth, I also believe that supporting the NSA-box is sending entirely the wrong signal to the industry we all care about so much.

Can't you just quit Sony ball-gargling? You won't single-handedly steer the fortunes of any corporation by constantly reminding everyone of your insignificant position.

Microsoft is a blue chip corporation. Sony is a blue chip corporation. Neither of them are your friend. They don't have your best interests at heart, they have your wallet at heart, and nothing else. If they gave you cancer, they would find a way not to compensate you.

There are no industries that automatically deserve consumer respect. No-one's forgotten Sony losing millions of people's bank details, no-one's forgotten MS selling millions of faulty machines. At best, they give us something we want to play, at worst they give us something we want to play.

This incessant corporate anus drinking is a horrible reminder of a world succumbed to blind consumerism. Betrothed allegiance to the chronically wealthy: it's like the dark ages all over again.

[Friendly]

hundreds of millions of powerful game machines (that also happen to be cell phones)

If you like 99 cent games. Please wake me up when stuff like The Last of Us gets made for android. Having a unified hardware that is supported for up to a decade and eventually maxed out leads to amazing results. Also, buttons, and physical discs that provide 50GB of space.

[BulletMagnet]

This incessant corporate anus drinking is a horrible reminder of a world succumbed to blind consumerism. Betrothed allegiance to the chronically wealthy: it's like the dark ages all over again.

Don't ever cross the pond, man; however bad it is in your neck of the woods, it's worse here.

[Stormwatch]

If you like 99 cent games. Please wake me up when stuff like The Last of Us gets made for android.

Gameplay-wise, is it suitable for a handheld? I mean, is it good for short sessions?

[Specineff]

I wouldn't mind playing Last of Us on the go if it looks and plays as well as the console release, and supports the ability to suspend/quicksave the game anywhere. Then again, that'd have to be on a Vita. And I hate that thing.

[KAI]

-Console war
-No games

Hope they kill each other.

[Ed Oscuro]

You know, this is not like the old MD/SNES war. Back then, there were two big players, and everything else was an afterthought.

Influence flows in both directions, but whereas many computer gaming ideas started to inform console games (i.e. the migration of The Elder Scrolls from complex PC exclusive designs to console-friendly experiences), I don't see console games now influencing PC games so much as wholly determining them. I guess the fusion of types has already happened.

It's worth remembering that a lot of what we see now on consoles had definite roots in PC gaming. Seeing Call of Duty 3 in action was one of those moments when the shift became clear to me.

What's also changed is that there is much more saturation of gaming devices, of all types and configurations, reaching people at all budgets. There doesn't appear to be any evidence that consoles are going to become irrelevant because of other systems (and the backlog of games), but there is a squeeze on that we didn't see in previous times (to be solved with eternal rereleases for every iteration of hardware going forward, and nickel-and-time opportunities too). I don't see console games switching place with PCs as the residence of "high value" consumers, but they are making inroads there. So consoles still throw their weight around, but the argument for what to buy as a consumer is more nuanced than it once was.

There is also the fact that these new platforms both appear to have potential or actual weaknesses, and a strong reliance on PC hardware manufacturing that dampens the "unique value proposition" of the consoles, that probably opens the scene to potential challengers. It seems quite likely that both consoles may soon appear like laughable relics shortly if G-SYNC appears soon and console games look worse in comparison.

[Skykid]

This incessant corporate anus drinking is a horrible reminder of a world succumbed to blind consumerism. Betrothed allegiance to the chronically wealthy: it's like the dark ages all over again.

Don't ever cross the pond, man; however bad it is in your neck of the woods, it's worse here.

I know it man, you invented (and exported) modern capitalism. I also just spent four days in Hong Kong, where materialism is essentially essential. The sale of LIFE STYLING has now become so accepted as the norm that a person can no longer exist as an independent entity: if you don't aspire to model yourself on images of smiling people sitting in beaming Ikea living rooms, you have no purpose in life.

[Ed Oscuro]

I wonder if placing an Xbox One at the back of your living room satisfies the conditions of feng shui to have a mountain behind the house. And if mountains are dragons, doesn't that mean that a hot console is better?

[BryanM]

One of the worst offenders for buttons, buttons everywhere was the Jaguar's odd '70s throwback calculator pad type controller.

Chriiist, the keypad. That they kept using over and over again starting from the 5200 or whatever it was.

It confuses me so. Can anyone tell me what were they thinking?

* The Wii-U is to be considered off topic.

Maybe we could just amend this to be "That Guy (you know the one) can not talk about the Wii U, and you can not reply to Him if He does. Either is banworthy for five eternities give or take."

How can we have a console war if we can't talk about the box that's currently in the lead? It just seems a little weird that we have to bend over backwards just to satisfy one person:



Most of us aren't That Guy.

[Ed Oscuro]

One of the worst offenders for buttons, buttons everywhere was the Jaguar's odd '70s throwback calculator pad type controller.

Chriiist, the keypad. That they kept using over and over again starting from the 5200 or whatever it was.

"It worked for the Astrocade, so it will work for us!"
"But the Astrocade was a failure..."
"That's great too, we get to use tried and true consumer interfaces without most people knowing we're totally unoriginal!"
(insert guitar solo and weeping Trevor McFursian-style CGI Bald Eagles flying past the stars and stripes fluttering gently in the breeze. Wait, maybe we'd better save that one for the discussion of glorious American PC gaming...)

[system11]

How can we have a console war if we can't talk about the box that's currently in the lead? It just seems a little weird that we have to bend over backwards just to satisfy one person:

The original rule read 'it is to be considered a defeated opponent'. I felt this war is all about PS4/XB1, the Wii-U is something people are likely to buy in addition to one or the other - or indeed not at all as the case appears to be. Also its like generation 7.5 and clearly not in the same power ballpark.

[Skykid]

How can we have a console war if we can't talk about the box that's currently in the lead? It just seems a little weird that we have to bend over backwards just to satisfy one person:

The original rule read 'it is to be considered a defeated opponent'. I felt this war is all about PS4/XB1, the Wii-U is something people are likely to buy in addition to one or the other - or indeed not at all as the case appears to be. Also its like generation 7.5 and clearly not in the same power ballpark.

You say that but Bayonetta 2 had my jaw on the floor at the mcm expo, and I don't even care for the game or the console.

[Ganelon]

Thanks for consolidating these topics, system11. There was no real reason to leave them separate anymore, especially with the small next-gen audience here and when so many of the games are identical.

I see a buildup already of non-verified (let me repeat, non-verified, in case the "forum text scrambler" works it way here again) 1-star reviews on Amazon claiming problems. Lame retribution from some PS4 fans if that's what it is considering almost all the early negative PS4 reviews were verified. Don't worry, I'll tally up the verified Xbone reviews Saturday (hopefully when I'll receive the console, crossing my fingers again that it's problem-free) and see what the results are.

As for the Jaguar controller, I respect the rationale behind it. The number pad allowed for pretty much instant hotkey access unlike other post-crash consoles and was easy to understand with all those overlays. I think Atari expected a lot more FPS-style games than what came in the short lifespan of the system though. In retrospect, yeah, the controller looks pretty unwieldy and the parts don't feel solid but the grip is comfortable and I bet Nintendo could've made some really innovative stuff with it.