Possible additions to your Top 25

MadSteelDarkness · Post by **MadSteelDarkness** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:25 pm

The topic says it all. Which games have you played since voting for the last "Top 25 shmups of all time" that may end up on your list next time?

Definite:

Zanac Neo - Yeah, I know it's easy. Hell, *I* 1cc'd it

. It's still great.
Dragon Blaze - Completely the opposite. I'm crap at this game. Still love it tho'.
Strikers 1945 - This one finally clicked with me in a big way.
Twin Cobra - see above.

Not quite, but close:

Mushihime sama - I know it's not Cave's best, but I keep coming back to Maniac mode. Too much fun.
Game Tengoku - A lot of people bag on this game, but I think it's a great time. Not quite an all-time great though.

So, how 'bout ya'll?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:38 pm

MadSteelDarkness wrote: Definite:

Zanac Neo - Yeah, I know it's easy. Hell, *I* 1cc'd it . It's still great.
Dragon Blaze - Completely the opposite. I'm crap at this game. Still love it tho'.
Strikers 1945 - This one finally clicked with me in a big way.
Twin Cobra - see above.

Great topic and great additions! Just wanted to say that before I give the question more thought. We seem to have the same tastes, and perhaps the same skills.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:08 pm

Hmmm...a few possible additions...

Shikigami no Shiro II: Only played the demo before last year's vote, but since then I've bought it, and while it's got some frustrating points, the overall concept is great, and all the trimmings are there. If Shiki III is as much of an improvement as Shiki II was, it's definitely a future contender...

Bike Banditz: Bought it not too long after the vote...really excellent doujin shmup, beats out a large percentage of the "professional" stuff. Only thing that might hold it back is its rather short length.

Gradius V: Another one I got ahold of a little too late for last year...addresses a lot of the perennial problems with the Gradius series (in my view) and adds the ol' Treasure sense of "they want me to do WHAT?" Still doesn't fix all the weak spots though.

Mushihime-sama: I'm another one who doesn't group this one among Cave's best, but the absolutely wonderful aesthetic designs and 3 different modes make it tough to resist...

Battle Garegga: After all the hoo-hah from my early days here, I still have my issues with it, but the thing just has too many good points to ignore...it might just sneak in near the bottom.

I'm half-tempted to "clone" this topic with a "Which games from last year might NOT make it this year?" topic of my own, just for the heck of it, but that one might get ugly, heh heh.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:21 pm

BulletMagnet wrote:I'm half-tempted to "clone" this topic with a "Which games from last year might NOT make it this year?" topic of my own, just for the heck of it, but that one might get ugly, heh heh.

Do it! If you don't, then I will.

Accutron · Post by **Accutron** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:25 pm

R-Type Delta.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:42 pm

professor ganson wrote:Do it! If you don't, then I will.

Heh heh, go ahead and do the honors if you like, prof.

Just beware before you do, people tend to react slightly less amiably when games (possibly their favorites) are criticized, even lightly, by others...

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:14 am

Espgaluda will be added to mine for sure. I have played that game almost every day for a year now.

Post by **nZero** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:31 am

Yes, ESPGaluda has definitely found its way onto my next list.
There might end up being places for Raiden III and Trizeal as well... we'll see how I'm feeling when poll season comes 'round again

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:53 am

These will certainly be added:
giga wing generations
border down
raiden dx
dragon blaze
mars matrix
zanac neo

These may be as well:
twin cobra
salamander 1 or 2
zero gunner 2

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:04 am

BIO METAL

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:17 am

Last Resort

Somewhere near the top.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:29 am

I've gotten more into Harmful Park after owning the game. Batrider, while not new, is also becoming my fave Raizing shooter.

Ramus · Post by **Ramus** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:43 am

Yes, I too can't stay away from Batrider. Damn game has so many possibilities and variations that it seems endless. My favorite Raizing game for sure.

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:14 am

Shikigami no Shiro II: Nice concept, done very well.

Gradius Gaiden: Best Gradius ever.

Trizeal: This will rank very high in my next top 25. It obviously doesn't appeal to everyone, but despite its ugly looks it plays extremely well. Great blend of old school and new school, with a simplistic yet challenging score system. We need more stuff like this.

Mushihime Sama: Damn you, DEL, for introducing this to me.

It's the reason I finally bought a modded PS2. Original mode got me hooked like hardly any other recent game (except for Trizeal).

I also played Gradius V, R-Type Final, R-Type Delta, Raiden III, Sengoku Blade, Strikers 1945 II, Shienryu Explosion and Axelay since last year's vote, but they all failed to impress me. ESPGaluda and Game Tengoku I like a lot, but not quite enough to include them in my next top 25.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:24 pm

Three games I hadn't played before at the time of voting would make the list (and not just at the bottom too!):

Harmful Park: possibly even entering my top 10. My o my what a fantastic game. Bit on the easy side, but if you play on "hard" it is perfectly challenging too.

Zanac Neo: hey it's Zanac, but now feauring STUNNING visuals and a kick ass soundtrack! Following on the heels of Harmful Park.

Trizeal: though it won't rip apart my top 25 by any means it would probably make it.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:24 am

Battle Bakraid. I just discovered this game and it ROCKS. It plays like a mix of Armed Police Batrider (my fav arcade shmup ever) with Battle Garegga.. its just amazing.

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:35 pm

Shatterhand wrote:Battle Bakraid. I just discovered this game and it ROCKS. It plays like a mix of Armed Police Batrider (my fav arcade shmup ever) with Battle Garegga.. its just amazing.

AND the graphics are much easier to make out!

It really does deserve more attention. I guess most are put off by the (quite frankly ridiculous) amount of suiciding that needs to be done for ultra high scores.

Playing just for the 1cc in either normal or advanced though, is one of the greatest pleasures available on mame IMO.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:29 pm

I am playing it like I always played Batrider and Garegga - By not giving a damn about scoring.

I never 1cc Garegga, but the 1st time I 1cc Batrider, I didnt even know what "Rank" was.

Ste · Post by **Ste** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:44 pm

I've really started getting into Batrider of late, still not sure who I enjoy playing with most....

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:09 pm

Everyone's talking about Batrider and Bakraid: Do you guys play these on MAME (about which I am totally ignorant). As I recall these do not have home ports. What a drag.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:39 pm

Yes, I play both on mame these days.

Though the 1st time I played batrider was on Raine. This was back in 2000 I think, Akira was the one who pointed out the game for me. I had a Pentium MMX 233 with 32 mbs of ram, and I had to play the game with no sound, with an average between 15-20 fps. My first 1cc in this game was with this setup

Batrider still ranks as my fav arcade shmup after all those years

MadSteelDarkness · Post by **MadSteelDarkness** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:55 am

professor ganson wrote:Everyone's talking about Batrider and Bakraid: Do you guys play these on MAME (about which I am totally ignorant). As I recall these do not have home ports. What a drag.

Yeah, a serious drag. It's really too bad a "Raizing Shooting Collection" series never came out for the PS2. Think about it:

Raizing Shooting Collection vol. 1: Armed Police Batrider and Battle Bakraid
Raizing Shooting Collection vol. 2: Mahou Daisakusen and Dimahoo

Sure, they wouldn't have proper low rez, but still, I'd pony up 60 bones a pop for those...You listening, Taito?!

EDIT: Just remembered that Capcom published Dimahoo. Still...a Dimahoo/Progear double pack would be pretty cool.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:12 am

I'm better at top 10s and 20s, let alone 25s.

Anyways, in the past year, after buying a Progear No Arashi PCB and after the Mushi port, I can safely say both those games are ranked pretty high in my top 10.

My current "all encompassing" top 5 for both enjoyment and impact on the genre itself is:

1.Radiant Silvergun

2.Battle Garegga

3.DDP

4.Gradius

5.R-TYPE

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:27 am

MadSteelDarkness wrote: Raizing Shooting Collection vol. 1: Armed Police Batrider and Battle Bakraid
Raizing Shooting Collection vol. 2: Mahou Daisakusen and Dimahoo

Sure, they wouldn't have proper low rez, but still, I'd pony up 60 bones a pop for those...You listening, Taito?!

EDIT: Just remembered that Capcom published Dimahoo. Still...a Dimahoo/Progear double pack would be pretty cool.

Quoted in the hope that someone with influence is reading.

MOSQUITO FIGHTER · Post by **MOSQUITO FIGHTER** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:51 am

MadSteelDarkness wrote:Raizing Shooting Collection vol. 1: Armed Police Batrider and Battle Bakraid

I'd be all over that one like stink on a monkey. It's likely too old to be ported. But Dragon Blaze got a port so who knows. Raizing is still in business (they do games for hudson, nintendo, and so on). So perhaps they could port it themselves or perhaps the ties they have from developing games for other companies would be helpfull. I don't even know if they still care about their shooter catalogue or ports. Batrider is really great.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:58 am

Madsteel said: Mushihime sama - I know it's not Cave's best, but I keep coming back to Maniac mode. Too much fun.

Forgot to add, right on the money about Maniac mode. It's wonderfully balanced, easy to get into and yet so vicious.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:25 am

A likely entrant into my next 25 is Trizeal. And Noiz2sa is under serious consideration pending further play...

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:31 am

new entries in my shmup top25 this year: Flying Shark and Vulgus. Both of outstanding quality, far better than all the new stuff.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:40 pm

Some possible additions:

Trouble Shooter
Detana Twinbee
Section Z Arcade
1943 Arcade
1943 Kai Arcade
Gunsmoke NES
Xevious 3D + G
Xevious Arrangement
Vulgus
Truxton

kemical · Post by **kemical** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:08 pm

donpachi, sky shark and maybe truxton or truxton 2.

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