Which one to choose? 60hz or 24hz in 1080p display

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Which one to choose? 60hz or 24hz in 1080p display

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I don't play too many new PC games, but yesterday i installed some games and i find they let me choose from 24hz to 60hz in my 1080p LCD, so which one to choose? a few years ago i remember we all wanted the PC games in bigger refresh rates, old crt tubes allowed that. But now im wondering if its better to play in 24 or 60. Googling i find people saying the best setings are 24hz, others say 60hz.

PS: the games i installed was Resident Evil 5, and Call of Duty Moder Warfare 3
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1080p24 obviously limits you to jerking 24fps, so why would you ever want that ?
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You're getting confused with film modes on refresh rates.
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hehe, yes, the blu rays movies being displayed in 1080p 24 have confused me, but what have made the big confusion was the "NVIDIA Geforce Experience" i installed too, it allows to inspect my PC graphic cards specs and choose the best visual options for some selected gamed, and in one game, it strangely sugested 24hz, i think it was some of the "Crysis" game. Maybe that particular game it thinked my pc specs was too low for 60hz game, don't know
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Overkill wrote:hehe, yes, the blu rays movies being displayed in 1080p 24 have confused me, but what have made the big confusion was the "NVIDIA Geforce Experience" i installed too, it allows to inspect my PC graphic cards specs and choose the best visual options for some selected gamed, and in one game, it strangely sugested 24hz, i think it was some of the "Crysis" game. Maybe that particular game it thinked my pc specs was too low for 60hz game, don't know
Sounds like a bug with GE, what's your GPU?
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Sounds like a bug with GE, what's your GPU?
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Some games will allow you to limit the maximum FPS in order to prevent wild swings. I remember Just Cause 2 had this setting, and it helped the frame rates be more consistent between more complex and more simple scenes, rather than having it jump around.

Geforce Experience isn't too bad, and the nice thing is they program it to change some settings that aren't always exposed in the game's own menus and maybe hidden in a file somewhere (e.g. ambient occlusion). And it's updated pretty frequently, so if a new driver version adds support for a certain feature in a game, the GE profile gets updated as well.
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Well, thanks to "GeForce Experience" i managed to get Crysis 3 working great. Because it was the first PC game i installed on my computer that i was unable to set all things to max. Because i really don't know what to decrease it helped me a lot, doing all the work. The game is now working great and still beautiful.
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But should a 24hz refresh rate be used when watching movies?

I actually never thought about it, but watching something on my pc in 24fps, but having the screen set to 1080p60 means they aren't in sync, right?

I just tried setting my panel to 1080p24 and watching a movie again but it doesn't really look different, if not worse.
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matrigs wrote:But should a 24hz refresh rate be used when watching movies?

I actually never thought about it, but watching something on my pc in 24fps, but having the screen set to 1080p60 means they aren't in sync, right?

I just tried setting my panel to 1080p24 and watching a movie again but it doesn't really look different, if not worse.
It all depends on what the source fps of the video is. If you're watching a 1080p 24 fps movie (Cinema) and your video card is outputting 50hz, every 25fth frame will be a hiccup of the 24th frame to keep in sync with the audio (as most video player software sync the video to the audio). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate
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matrigs wrote:I just tried setting my panel to 1080p24 and watching a movie again but it doesn't really look different, if not worse.
Not many PC monitors support 24 Hz. You'll have more luck with a HD TV or a gaming monitor that runs at 120 Hz (5 x 24) or 144 Hz (6 x 24). If you're doing it right there should be a slight but noticeable difference. At 60 Hz the frames alternate between 33ms and 50ms, at 24 Hz (or a multiple) each frame will be displayed for the same duration.
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More is better, as long as your image source can provide it. 24fps is some old movie industry compromise between quality and cost (of film). Some people like to watch movies that way because it "looks like film". Kinda like some people play games with scanlines.
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Good heavens no, you shouldn't be playing a FPS like Crysis (or any game really) in 24hz.

As for movies that's down to taste. Some people swear it's the only way to watch movies, and trying to convert them to any other frame rate "makes them look like TV soap-operas". Other people swear systems like Motionflow etc make the films look vastly better.
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well there is also this:

http://www.svp-team.com/

but my pc is to slow to handle it. launched it at work though on a very beefy pc.
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matrigs wrote:well there is also this:

http://www.svp-team.com/

but my pc is to slow to handle it. launched it at work though on a very beefy pc.
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emphatic wrote:
matrigs wrote:well there is also this:

http://www.svp-team.com/

but my pc is to slow to handle it. launched it at work though on a very beefy pc.
ReClock can also do wonders, and it won't take no Kray to run it: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ReClock- ... how-Filter
Yup, is also built in as part of svp.

But, in fact i kind of forgot about it so thanks for mentioning.

So i guess, setting 1080p24 and using reclock on my TV will give me true fluid movies?
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I've never really been able to get 24p playback working on any PC to any satisfactory degree. The problem is that if you try to use Motionflow or any kind of interframe creation, the TV just loses cadence with the video and you get little stutters. I would say if you want to do interframe creation you're better off doing the frame interpolation on the PC. If you want to just watch in 24p, use a blu-ray player or a PS3.
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yes, that's because PCs don't have a hardware clock. Some thing with 1080p60 playback. The TV's IVTC won't work with this.
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Strangely I didn't notice that many problems at 1080p60 but then I doubt the TV was doing IVTC on the material I was watching. That Dune player you recommended me has been awesome though :mrgreen:
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